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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 10, 2009 17:21:00 GMT -5
On joining Ring of Honor to become an executive producer:
"I'm not just trumpeting my latest job, but Ring of Honor is always one of the companies I've loved and pulled for. They do a better job with what they have than anybody else. They're a wrestling company run by wrestling people. They're not trying to beat (World Wrestling Entertainment). They just want to carve their own niche. At TNA, I was basically tired of working for a big company and watch it get smaller. I wanted to go to a smaller company and help it get bigger."
On his time with TNA and Vince Russo:
"(I enjoyed) pulling in a lot of money working with a lot of people I've known for 20 or 30 years. It was sad, disappointing and depressing to watch. We didn't have as many pay-per-view buys as we should and nobody was getting over (i.e., becoming popular with the fans). He's the only booker I've ever seen who gets people under. The matches are made meaningless so Russo can see his comedic lines and dramatic scripting spring to life. There's a bunch of great athletes, but they're not very good actors. They're even worse comedians."
On his goals with Ring of Honor:
"I don't want to reinvent the wheel in Ring of Honor or change the style (of wrestling). The only thing I'm going to try and do is see what else we can do in addition to what the Ring of Honor fan base likes to see. That will maybe bring in some other fans who want to see a little something different."
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Jim Cornette has lost his mind with this comment "and nobody was getting over (i.e., becoming popular with the fans)". That's a load of crap.
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Post by Sam Hain on Oct 10, 2009 17:34:08 GMT -5
Yeah, because TNA made huge stars in the last year and ppv buys went up along with ratings, right?
What he means is established guys stayed as over as they were a year ago, and no new fans started watching just to see the new guys. Other than Daphne and the knockouts, what new talent has gotten over just because they're in TNA?
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 10, 2009 17:40:30 GMT -5
Yeah, because TNA made huge stars in the last year and ppv buys went up along with ratings, right? What he means is established guys stayed as over as they were a year ago, and no new fans started watching just to see the new guys. Other than Daphne and the knockouts, what new talent has gotten over just because they're in TNA? I didn't say they made huge stars nor that buy rates went up. But, to say no one has gotten over is laughable. Beer Money Inc, the fans praticialy turned the top heel tag team babyface in under a year. Matt Morgan, Hernandez, D'Angelo Dinero, and so on. To say TNA hasn't gotten anyone over is laughable imo. |
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Post by Sam Hain on Oct 10, 2009 20:05:17 GMT -5
Yeah, but Dinero and Morgan were over from WWE, not from just being in TNA. I will give you Beer Money, mind you, but I think Hernandez is not as over as TNA is portraying him.
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 10, 2009 20:13:54 GMT -5
Yeah, but Dinero and Morgan were over from WWE, not from just being in TNA. I will give you Beer Money, mind you, but I think Hernandez is not as over as TNA is portraying him. How is Morgan over from the WWE? I'm talking recently (say post Slammiversary) and he had been in TNA since 2007 so almost two years at that point. He's not over because he's "from the wwe" by no means. Just my two cents. |
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Post by Sam Hain on Oct 10, 2009 20:16:19 GMT -5
Well how did TNA get him over then? They made a big deal that they signed a former WWE superstar, who has very little charisma and isn't even that great of a worker for a big man. He was over the minute he walked through the door because the fans already recognized him.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Oct 10, 2009 20:59:24 GMT -5
Yeah, because TNA made huge stars in the last year and ppv buys went up along with ratings, right? What he means is established guys stayed as over as they were a year ago, and no new fans started watching just to see the new guys. Other than Daphne and the knockouts, what new talent has gotten over just because they're in TNA? Beer Money Inc, the fans praticialy turned the top heel tag team babyface in under a year. Matt Morgan, Hernandez, D'Angelo Dinero, and so on. To say TNA hasn't gotten anyone over is laughable imo. Yes, THE FANS turned them face, not Russo. They were already established stars in TNA for YEARS, if they weren't actually over at TNA's size by now, failure. But, where have they gone since losing the tag titles? Nowhere. Is Cornette wrong? No. Russo still books the way he always has, his story comes first, then maybe pro wrestling if we're lucky. Kurt Angle is a joke to me because of TNA. |
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Post by ortonisgod on Oct 10, 2009 21:36:11 GMT -5
Beer Money Inc, the fans praticialy turned the top heel tag team babyface in under a year. Matt Morgan, Hernandez, D'Angelo Dinero, and so on. To say TNA hasn't gotten anyone over is laughable imo. Yes, THE FANS turned them face, not Russo. They were already established stars in TNA for YEARS, if they weren't actually over at TNA's size by now, failure. But, where have they gone since losing the tag titles? Nowhere. Is Cornette wrong? No. Russo still books the way he always has, his story comes first, then maybe pro wrestling if we're lucky. Kurt Angle is a joke to me because of TNA. Russo can not come up with anything logical if his life depended on it. He is a scumbag and in no way deserves any kind of power in the wrestling bussiness. Tna is now being run by an complete idiot dixie carter and written by a complete jackass vince russo. Its been well over 2 years since Tna shifted from being a niche product wrestling company to trying to be a big sports entertainment product. Tna does not have the right people to pull that off. They did and still do have the talent to be the best WRESTLING company in the world. But after 2 years of trash i wouldn't care if they did start going back to basics. I will never support Tna again. |
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Post by Jimmy on Oct 10, 2009 21:51:04 GMT -5
First off, Russo is not a scumbag.
That said, I see your point about wrestling vs. sports entertainment, but I disagree that TNA is trying to be a 'big' sports entertainment company. They are what they are, a storyline driven company with some great wrestlers. And personally, I kinda like it. And the fact that the ratings have gone up in the last 2 years show that other fans do too.
The thing that sucks for me is I'm both a huge Cornette fan and a Russo fan. And I think both of their styles contribute a lot to wrestling and it's not fair to say that either one's is 'the right one'.
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Post by ortonisgod on Oct 10, 2009 22:01:37 GMT -5
First off, Russo is not a scumbag. That said, I see your point about wrestling vs. sports entertainment, but I disagree that TNA is trying to be a 'big' sports entertainment company. They are what they are, a storyline driven company with some great wrestlers. And personally, I kinda like it. And the fact that the ratings have gone up in the last 2 years show that other fans do too. The thing that sucks for me is I'm both a huge Cornette fan and a Russo fan. And I think both of their styles contribute a lot to wrestling and it's not fair to say that either one's is 'the right one'. Dude Cornette has never hurt a company he has worked for, russo has killed one! We had the smart marks dream a few years ago, tell me Tna wasn't every smarks wet dream 03-05? They could have been what the NWA was in the 80s, the classy wrestling product that catered to a different demographic of fans than vince is. |
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Post by Jimmy on Oct 10, 2009 22:08:00 GMT -5
First off, Russo is not a scumbag. That said, I see your point about wrestling vs. sports entertainment, but I disagree that TNA is trying to be a 'big' sports entertainment company. They are what they are, a storyline driven company with some great wrestlers. And personally, I kinda like it. And the fact that the ratings have gone up in the last 2 years show that other fans do too. The thing that sucks for me is I'm both a huge Cornette fan and a Russo fan. And I think both of their styles contribute a lot to wrestling and it's not fair to say that either one's is 'the right one'. Dude Cornette has never hurt a company he has worked for, russo has killed one! We had the smart marks dream a few years ago, tell me Tna wasn't every smarks wet dream 03-05? They could have been what the NWA was in the 80s, the classy wrestling product that catered to a different demographic of fans than vince is. Russo didn't kill WCW. He didn't do it any great favors but it was in the absolute shitter when he started writing and atleast made it interesting until he was removed in January 2000 and then from there it was a lost case. Conversley as big as a fan as I am, what major promotions has Cornette helped the way Russo did the WWF? SMW had it's niche but died a quick death. I love Corny, but it's not like he has this killer track record. |
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Post by ortonisgod on Oct 10, 2009 22:22:43 GMT -5
Dude Cornette has never hurt a company he has worked for, russo has killed one! We had the smart marks dream a few years ago, tell me Tna wasn't every smarks wet dream 03-05? They could have been what the NWA was in the 80s, the classy wrestling product that catered to a different demographic of fans than vince is. Russo didn't kill WCW. He didn't do it any great favors but it was in the absolute poopter when he started writing and atleast made it interesting until he was removed in January 2000 and then from there it was a lost case. Conversley as big as a fan as I am, what major promotions has Cornette helped the way Russo did the WWF? SMW had it's niche but died a quick death. I love Corny, but it's not like he has this killer track record. Well that is very true, but cornette has never had a negative impact on a promotion he was writing for- never had that great of one either i suppose. You honestly are one of the few people i've known of who doesn't think Russo had a completely negative affect on Wcw. So i disagree with you there, but to be really honest i was never a wcw fan and hardly watched. I base my opinon on him soley off of shoot interviews and docs i've seen. So its realistic so say you would know better. However i stand by what i said, TNA should have taken the NWA route and put out a classy wrestling product with a strong emphasis on the in-ring product. It seems like things went downhill when they separated from the NWA. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 10, 2009 22:31:26 GMT -5
Beer Money Inc, the fans praticialy turned the top heel tag team babyface in under a year. Matt Morgan, Hernandez, D'Angelo Dinero, and so on. To say TNA hasn't gotten anyone over is laughable imo. Yes, THE FANS turned them face, not Russo. They were already established stars in TNA for YEARS, if they weren't actually over at TNA's size by now, failure. But, where have they gone since losing the tag titles? Nowhere. Is Cornette wrong? No. Russo still books the way he always has, his story comes first, then maybe pro wrestling if we're lucky. Kurt Angle is a joke to me because of TNA. Yes, the fans turned them face, due to what they saw on TV. So, yes. The way they were booked - did get them over.. Well how did TNA get him over then? They made a big deal that they signed a former WWE superstar, who has very little charisma and isn't even that great of a worker for a big man. He was over the minute he walked through the door because the fans already recognized him. TNA rarley mentions the fact Morgan's a former WWE superstar. They might've mentioned it three times since he debuted in 2007. Morgan wasn't over the minute he walked in the door by far. Morgan didn't even wrestle for around 9 months when he came into TNA. They still got him over. |
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Post by BCizzle on Oct 11, 2009 22:48:04 GMT -5
Cornette burnin bridges! I've always thought he was completely lame and epitomized everything about old school that wasn't cool. Remember when the NWA "invaded" the WWF? Awful.
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Oct 11, 2009 23:08:16 GMT -5
Cornette burnin bridges! I've always thought he was completely lame and epitomized everything about old school that wasn't cool. Remember when the NWA "invaded" the WWF? Awful. Cause that entirely was him.... |
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Post by DTP. on Oct 13, 2009 16:11:10 GMT -5
I do disagree with that line about Russo NOT getting anybody really over with the fans. Beer Money, MCMG and AJ Styles just to name a few have all been the practical frontmen of TNA in the last year, just like the Steiners, Road Warriors and Sting were in NWA 1989.
Cornette is obviously somebody who likes the old-school shtick, since he loves ROH, and sure it has been known for some time that Corny didn't like the ways of WCW in the late 90s, aswell as WWE from his release.
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