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Post by spreedom8 on Feb 3, 2010 13:37:36 GMT -5
To clarify I think almost all of the big-time 2010 FAs will re-sign with their current teams. In Bosh's case (above) I meant to say that I'd bet on Miami if he leaves Toronto.
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Post by Quanthor on Feb 3, 2010 14:17:54 GMT -5
Miami, Houston and Chicago are possibilities.
I'm not big on the mid-season trade unless you're just adding bulk to your lineup. Very rarely do I ever see teams acquire a major piece that takes them all the way to the championship. It takes time to coalesce and a couple months isn't enough time. Trading Ray Allen for a major player, expecting that team to buyout his contract so the C's can pick him back up on the cheap and having everything go together seamlessly is wishful thinking in my opinion. Possible? Maybe, but not likely.
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Post by Jimmy on Feb 3, 2010 14:22:49 GMT -5
Looks like the Bobcats sale is going to go through. I'll be thrilled to have Jordan out of the front office.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 3, 2010 14:52:11 GMT -5
Who said anything about Ray Allen being released and resigning with the Celtics?
Dealing him would mean he is starting to slow down, why would the Celtics try that nonsense? If hes dealt its for 2010 and beyond.
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Post by Quanthor on Feb 3, 2010 16:32:21 GMT -5
Who said anything about Ray Allen being released and resigning with the Celtics? Dealing him would mean he is starting to slow down, why would the Celtics try that nonsense? If hes dealt its for 2010 and beyond. Sorry, man. That's what I thought you were insinuating when you said there hasn't been trades and buyouts yet.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 3, 2010 17:48:13 GMT -5
Who said anything about Ray Allen being released and resigning with the Celtics? Dealing him would mean he is starting to slow down, why would the Celtics try that nonsense? If hes dealt its for 2010 and beyond. Sorry, man. That's what I thought you were insinuating when you said there hasn't been trades and buyouts yet. No just that a lot can change with teams, if Cleveland gets someone like Jamison or the Mavericks acquire someone or the Celtics get young etc....it all goes a long way in deciding who is going to win in June. Right now, people think with good reason the Celtics wont even make it out of the first round...but if they rattle off 10 in a row, beat the Cavs, etc and ESPN and everyone say "Boston is the team to beat, KG is fine etc etc" Things change, got a long way to go. Right now Cleveland looks like the best and the Celtics look AWFUL. The Lakers look solid, but I still dont think they can win with Derek Fisher at PG
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Post by spreedom8 on Feb 3, 2010 18:10:16 GMT -5
I agree that the Lakers need help at the PG position, but I think it's more a case that they need a reliable backup for Fisher than an upgrade as a starter -- especially considering that the market right now doesn't seem to have a lot of starter-caliber PGs available. I think a trade for a guy like Hinrich would be great for them, though I don't think they have the pieces to make a trade like that work.
Another key for LA is going to be whether or not Bynum shows up for the playoffs this year. last year he was flat out terrible and Gasol isn't going to get it done as a starting center because he lets physical players (i.e. Garnett, Shaq, Howard, Nene, Duncan, etc) push him around and he doesn't protect the basket well enough to fit defensively.
However, those are obviously cases of me looking for flaws -- I think the Lakers are the team to beat right now until they clearly regress and/or get beaten in the playoffs.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 3, 2010 18:42:13 GMT -5
Maybe I am just taking what I saw Sunday with the Lakers, but Derek Fisher retired last year, and theres someone playing in his uniform. He looked AWFUL. I know Rondo is pretty good and super fast, but he was just lighting up Fisher, and when Tony Allen was in....he lit him up too. Bynum looked beastly, most of the time, then disappeared, but the biggest issue is Fisher.
Teams with great PG's...Boston, Dallas, NO, Utah, Denver etc will run circles around Fisher and it is BOUND to hurt the Lakers eventually by having such a liability on the floor.
Lakers still need to go along way before I worry about them, right now I'd put the Cavs a step above everyone, Lakes right below, Denver/Dallas/Boston/Orland/Atlanta/Utah/San Antonio slightly below.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 3, 2010 18:59:53 GMT -5
LA has had some booming play out of Farmar and Brown lately but PG is the least of their worries... they run the triangle through Kobe as the big guard.
LA needs to dominate rebounding, it opens up the triangle and wears down the lane for Kobe's post play.
As long as Boston has KG they can compete (even on the serious decline he'll still be invaluable on defense) but they are going to have to rebuild the hard way at some point. They got the one ring so it wasn't a failure, but they certainly did set back the normal rebuilding process significantly. Now they have to ride out contracts for some of these older guys and they have big money going to Rondo. That's gonna be tough to build around. As much as I love Jason Kidd, when teams built around him they still never won a title and Rondo isn't quite Jason Kidd. Rondo is more of a Steve Nash type point guard, more off the fly, feeding off his team mates. Jason Kidd would/still does cater to his team mates.
If I'm the Spurs I try to get Marcus Camby but that's probably slim chances. Can you imagine if Denver decided the luxury tax was worth it and kept Camby? They may have beaten LA last year, and would probably stand a good chance again this year.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 3, 2010 19:11:15 GMT -5
PS, Boston won't get any thing for Allen that will better their immediate championship chances. Just not going to happen. Why would any of these teams want Ray Allen at this point unless they are already a contender? In turn, why would a contender trade away a significant piece to add Ray Allen?
Boston would be wise to start trying to get some draft picks and freeing up cap down the road. Guys like Rondo and Kendrick Perkins aren't going to be the centerpieces of championship teams, KG is the only player in Boston that was/is a legit centerpiece for a championship team. Pierce needed Allen and vice versa.
They need to plan for the now (while KG is still there) and for the later (after KG).
I hate to say this (who am I kidding I love to say it), but I saw this coming the minute they stock piled stars in an unrealistic manner. The Knicks kept trying to do this, except with lower caliber stars, in the early 2000's.... if you win it's great, but you're gonna pay for it later when time passes the roster by.
Detroit did the best rebuilding and reshaping I've ever seen. When the bad boys broke up in the early 90's and they brought in Grant Hill, they were on their way. Then Allan Houston bolted and Hill left as well (also had that bad ankle) and they were able to take a bunch of guys who were essentially rejects or higher tier common card players (Billups, Hamilton, Wallace) and make the move for Rasheed (who was exiled and in a rut) and parlay it into a championship.
Now, they are on the way down but look at their cap space; they broke up the team LAST YEAR and are in the race for the 2010 FA class with cap room. They probably won't get anything but damn... that's some good upper management.
In fairness, they should have drafted Carmelo Anthony.
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Post by Jamal on Feb 3, 2010 21:33:11 GMT -5
The Celtics are fine. Even with all the injuries and struggles, their still the #3 seed and can easily end up #2 seeing as Orlando isn't very consistent.
I really like Atlanta, and wouldn't mind seeing them end up #2, but I think it will be between Orlando and Boston.
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Post by orpheous on Feb 3, 2010 21:46:11 GMT -5
yea in the east its between boston n orlando
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Post by user9327 on Feb 3, 2010 22:52:12 GMT -5
I was gonna reply but I ended up staring at your sig for 2 minutes
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Post by T R W on Feb 3, 2010 22:55:26 GMT -5
I guess Vince Russo is good for something.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 3, 2010 23:25:01 GMT -5
you mean wearing Yankee jerseys in Atlanta in the late 90's wasn't good?
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 3, 2010 23:42:38 GMT -5
Any team would want Ray Allen for the cap space, I dunno how anyone can not see how the league is being run...especially a Knicks fan. Cap space > talent on the court. Of course no one wants Ray Allen to win it this year, but to get his 13 million off the books could go a LONG way in the offseason for some teams. Thats why all the rumors of Allen going somewhere are to teams that need cap space (Chicago or Sacto) or want to get rid of a talented overpaid pain in the ass (Golden State)
The Celtics will be fine in the future, even if they let Allen go, they bring in someone else, rework Pierces deal and extend him, and make better secondary additions and the team can still compete for the next 2-4 years as long as KG's knees hold up.
It's not like they will turn into the Nets next year, so your impending doom prediction hasnt happened or wont happen for a while, if at all.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 4, 2010 16:53:32 GMT -5
Yea my bad I didn't realize his deal was up this Summer.
Even so, you enjoy Hinrich for me.
Where did I predict doom for them right now?
I just said after this initial Garnett honeymoon situation was over the roster situation was going to start becoming a mess.
Fans like you are already using the words rebuilding, the other day. You've got serious money issues to address with Rondo, doctors are saying Garnett isn't 100% and shouldn't be on the floor right now, Kendrick Perkins is your potential best big man for the foreseeable future after the big 3 break up and Boston is trying to get rid of an expiring contract from their 3rd best player in a contending season?
Things are just peachy and fine aren't they?
What did I tell you 2 years ago? That they'd face situations of giving big deals to guys like Rondo and Perkins and that aren't going to be Franchise players after Garnett leaves.
So if anything, my accessment is right on schedule.
What is this potential success you're speaking of that they'll be enduring for 4 years to come? What in God's name are you basing this off of? What you see right now (a mess of a "contending team") or what you hope to see in the future (Kendrick and Rajon new Kobe and Shaq)?
What the hell is Boston going to have to show for this situation in 3 years, or even 2, is the real question here. Talk about that before you scuff at my right on schedule prediction.
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Post by spreedom8 on Feb 4, 2010 19:32:30 GMT -5
Didn't everyone know two years ago that the big three were old and getting older? Even if the franchise is a mess a year or two years from now, they have a championship to show for it. I'd take 20 last place finishes for the Mavericks if they would win a championship.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 4, 2010 20:55:11 GMT -5
I dunno about 20 years but 5, sure. For a championship, maybe even 10. I agree with all that but this is based around the Celtics being contenders for the next 2 to 4 years. The fact is, they aren't even looking like one right now.
This was my point 2 years ago;
if you get that title it's great and I'm all for it if that's what it's all about. But with the way they got these players there was no way to build for the future as long as they are under contract. They haven't been able to and right now the Boston fans are finding out they won't be able to. I was sorta told otherwise this whole time, but hey whatever.
At this point Kevin Garnett probably isn't even trade-able with that huge contract and his current health. Even when Pierce was in his prime they never got the offers they wanted for him. Ray Allen is in rumors for Kirk Hinrich right now... Kirk Hinrich. Isn't Rondo under contract?
These contracts are going to have to run out or they will have to trade Garnett and Pierce to contenders who will throw them expiring contracts and some salary cap filler (this is all adds up to a highly improbable situation)
and this is, exactly, what I've been saying for 2 years and still holds 100% true today.
A good alternative example is actually the LA Lakers. When they brought Odom back they may have dumped Ariza but it's all about providing for Kobe. They have a younger Center, a fairly young Center, a young Shannon Brown, they got Artest to sign up... it goes on and on. As much as I dislike LA, they make good moves. After all, Lamar Odom was a part of the Shaq trade, Kwame Brown was traded for Pau Gasol (complete BS) and he was a part of the Caron Butler trade (who was a part of the Shaq trade). They won a championship last year with guys that were still direct results of the Shaq trade. Mean while, Shaq is... old.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 4, 2010 23:40:46 GMT -5
The Dunleavy situation with the Clippers is curious.
Apparently he mutually stepped down but is going to retain his position as the General Manager of the team. They were already 2 wins greater than last year but obviously have no hope at a run this year.
I find this to a good sign though, for the Clippers. They seem to still have a big plan, even through the injuries and another rough season.
I mean, Dunleavy bolting right now could have been really demoralizing.
I've also heard ESPN mentioning Byron Scott may be the next Sixer's coach.
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