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Post by user9327 on Feb 9, 2010 1:05:12 GMT -5
I think the guys on winning teams getting piled on isn't always a bad thing. in the case of Gasol. Obviously Kaman deserved it, he's had an outstanding year for what it is. But, Gasol did just win a championship and was just as big of a part as anybody on that Laker team. I get it, he doesn't deserve it on paper. But Pau Gasol is an All-Star, he was featured in the Finals and literally saved the Lakers season in game 7 against Houston. Without Gasol, the title is in Orlando or Denver. I disagree and think this is poor reasoning, BUT then again, the NBA rewards guys like Iverson and whomever, and believe they should make the All Star team based on their careers not the current year, which makes your point moot. Who cares what he did in 2009 or the finals, its not about that...or it shouldnt be, but the NBA All Star game is about any measurement they want it to be unfortunately. lol, my point had absolutely no correlation to Allen Iverson (nice try, this is where if I were you I'd cry and say you are harassing me and picking a fight) being on the all star team this year nor do I understand why your logic makes my point moot (especially considering I mentioned he doesn't deserve it on paper?) as for my point about Gasol; Is Pau Gasol not the best (or top 3) big man in the West? Do you really disagree with that? Or are you just trying to disagree with me? Do you really want to exclude a guy who was a fixture on a Championship team last year and is one of the best players in the NBA today, you really have a problem with him on the All-Star team? But hey, if you REALLY want to see Chris Kaman featured for 20 minutes and think Gasol shouldn't be invited while being one of the best players IN THE NBA is "poor reasoning," lol... ok then. Enjoy Chris Kaman's array of star-studded luster, send a top 3 big man in the NBA home!!! edit: not to mention that you literally just called my reasoning based off of Pau Gasol LITERALLY altering the Championship outcome (game 7, Houston)... "poor reasoning." Without Gasol's play in the last calender year since the last All-Star game there may be a different NBA champion.... yea, SEND HIM HOME NOW!!!!
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Post by user9327 on Feb 9, 2010 22:36:09 GMT -5
Who has a fantasy team with Chris Paul out for weeks, Carmelo miss 8 games, Al Harrington miss a few recently and Blake Griffin miss the entire year and still win their match up's every, single, freaking, week? I do.
edit: few things...
James Posey plays Boston tomorrow, he's been playing great since Paul went down. Should be interesting to see what type of game he has against a struggling Boston team.
Anthony Morrow (Golden State) is playing unreal lately.
The Lakers seem to be a solid team without Kobe, beating the Spurs and going 3-0 without him. With him they lost to Memphis when he scored over 40 and lost to the Spurs when he shot like crap and then decided it was time to reveal a back injury.
Denver is on freaking fire right now, winning without Melo and then he returns tonight and they beat Dallas. Dirk's monster year appears to be slowing down a bit.... for now. They had a rough January (7 losses) and now are below .500 (2-3) in February. I don't care about these months (for a veteran team) so much as I do March. That's crucial.
The Cavs have had this unreal winning streak while missing Mo Williams and Delonte West (in my opinion their 2nd and 3rd best players), and the Lakers are ripping off wins WITHOUT Kobe. Is there really any doubt that LeBron is the best player on the planet?
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Post by user9327 on Feb 10, 2010 19:05:10 GMT -5
LOL at the Celtics trying to trade Glen Davis for DJ Augustine.... a guy who last year I used to compare to Rondo while trying to get across to Celtic fans how Rondo's play is elevated by playing with stars.
I think I said something like the play out of Augustine helping shape a young team proves more.
I like this move for Boston, not only does it bring in a more polished, standard point guard, but he's a guy you can give a decently small contract to and keep there and not worry about it.
Considering all the praise Rondo gets from Boston fans, they've certainly experimented with bringing in an array of PG's to potentially undercut his status there.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 10, 2010 20:38:39 GMT -5
The search for another PG, specifically DJ Augustin has nothing to do with the Celtics feelings on Rondo....none. If it did, they never would have signed him to an extension. Augustin has been on the block all year, he barely plays in Charlotte. The Celtics have a lot of holes, but for some reason they never get a backup PG, and that is what the trade talks are bout. They are tired of Big Baby and his nonsense and they think this is a potential steal.
If it happens, hopefully it does. But Rondo has been by far the best player on the team, even the biggest Rondo haters can see that. I dunno if that says bad things about the Celtics, but its true
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Post by user9327 on Feb 10, 2010 21:02:19 GMT -5
best player on the team? lol... come on, get real. you never cease to amaze me. so by your logic, Rondo is a better player than Deron Williams, Steve Nash Baron Davis and Andre Miller? Because I think Paul Pierce is a better player than those players in terms of keeping a team a float. Jesus you really just said Rajon ing Rondo is the best player on the Celtics, why do you do this to yourself? they don't have a backup point guard? is that why Eddie House has been playing big minutes in the playoffs for the last two years or am I imaging things? The Celtics gave Rondo that contract because they had no other choice. It was either pay him or run with Eddie House and... nobody? Seriously tell me there other choice if they didn't sign Rondo? I'm all ears (or eyes, so to speak). Rondo the best player on the Celtics? Is THAT why they were nearly eliminated by the Bulls (lol) while Rondo was putting up triple doubles? ? You of all people should remember what happens when a real point guard takes over a series and averages a triple double (Jason Kidd, Boston, 02). Players like Keith Van Horn, Kenyon Martin and Kerry Kittles all get big contracts and then disappear after playing with Kidd. Who has Rondo made rich? Why couldn't he elevate the Celtics without Garnett like Kidd did all those scrubs in NJ?
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Post by user9327 on Feb 10, 2010 21:13:11 GMT -5
oh and for the complete killer.... if Rajon Rondo is the best player on the Celtics through their injuries this year... and they are struggling, that's the key word they are STRUGGLING, so much to the point where they are talking about breaking up the big three and REBUILDING because they can't compete with the big teams.... wouldn't that completely prove my theory over the last 2 years COMPLETELY right? That he can't elevate a team to contending status and isn't worth that money? ? That he's not even close to being an elite PG? I mean hey, even Carlos Boozer went to the Western Finals with Deron Williams running the show? Rondo had Paul Pierce and Ray Allen and nearly lost in the first round to a team that wasn't even above .500 right??? Best player on the Celtics... but only when they struggle. But he's worth the money. Oh well, maybe when Pierce and Garnett leave, Rondo can help them win 35 games.
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Post by T R W on Feb 10, 2010 22:09:14 GMT -5
Jesus F'ing christ. 2 years of arguing about how good Rondo is? Really? REALLY?
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Post by user9327 on Feb 10, 2010 22:19:31 GMT -5
It is what it is and it wouldn't have happened had he never made such brash claims 2 years ago and as recently as today.
It's pretty simple, if you try to tell somebody something that isn't true... you're gonna hear about it when it's... uh... shown that it's not true.
It's not like I went out last year and called Danilo a poor man's Dirk Nowitski and am pathetically defending that out of some foolish pride every time Danilo puts up a 9 point line when they lose. It's not like I come in here and try to paint some ridiculously illogical picture when the Spurs look like crap to cater to my prediction for the sake of some ego or inferiority complex about being the king of WF sports.
It's pretty simple, last week when I was wrong about Ray Allen's contract situation what did you see me do in the next post? I wrote, my bad I didn't know that and we moved on, never to be talked about for 2 pages or 2 more years. I don't really have any issues with admitting I'm wrong.
Right now Ralpho is resorting to calling Rondo the best player on the Celtics. That's a... really? REALLY? Tell it like it is and maybe he won't be enabled.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 10, 2010 22:25:16 GMT -5
I am not the only one calling Rondo the best player on the Celtics, a lot of people are because RIGHT NOW HE IS. The team is either old or hurt and right now Rondo is the best player on the court. I have watched all their games, he is by far the most vital cog to this team, it isnt even my opinion or false, its the truth. Garnett is not and will not ever be the same, Ray Allen just turned 60 the other night and Pierce has been banged up all year. February 10th, 2010 Rajon Rondo is the best player on the Celtics, he is what is keeping the team a float. Is the best player when its all said and done? Celtics have 3 Hall of Famers and Rasheed Wallace, but everyone who's watched the Celtics night in and night out have said Rondo is the best player on the team, for what he is doing every night when others are either hurt or just awful. Pretty good article, summing up my exact previous post...non Boston bias either AND mentioning the Celtics are still weak at backup PG bleacherreport.com/articles/343205-pivot-points-is-rajon-rondo-the-only-big-player-left-in-bostonAnother post, echoing my sentiments www.nesn.com/2010/02/rajon-rondo-the-catalyst-as-celtics-knock-off-pesky-wizards.htmlYou have a hard on for me and any mention of Rondo, I wasnt even trying to fight, but you always start one. You were misinformed about the Augustin trade and turned it into ANOTHER Rondo beatdown.
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Post by T R W on Feb 10, 2010 22:28:54 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of your points sometimes. But your inability to move on and constantly twist everything everyone who has ever disagreed with you says into something you take offense to, is maddening, and causes so many fights. Ralpho is guilty of baiting you sometimes, sure, but this time it was just civil conversation. You just take such great offense at your differences in opinion, and constantly go off. You have to turn every single topic into an argument about something from ages ago, and honestly, it's just tiring. Ralpho and Johnny B both have tried to just move on, but you just won't let them. It's like you won't be content until you beat your opinion into people's heads and they cry and beg for mercy.
A lot of people are afraid to even post here, and have told me as such, because they are afraid of getting shouted down, or having a topic about Oliver Miller somehow turn into a two year argument about Rajon Rondo and Danny Granger.
Ralpho and I disagree a lot, but we get along ok because we after we discuss the topic, we move on to something else, and don't constantly remind each other about the one time they were wrong about something six months ago. You really should try it sometimes.
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Post by BV on Feb 10, 2010 22:30:05 GMT -5
Hornets about to beat the Celtics?! Without CP3? and Collison with a near triple double, cept it will be 10 turnovers. suck it REAL hard Ralpho
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 10, 2010 22:39:44 GMT -5
Hornets about to beat the Celtics?! Without CP3? and Collison with a near triple double, cept it will be 10 turnovers. suck it REAL hard Ralpho I dunno if you have seen the Celtics the past few weeks, they are AWFUL
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Post by BV on Feb 10, 2010 22:41:34 GMT -5
Hornets about to beat the Celtics?! Without CP3? and Collison with a near triple double, cept it will be 10 turnovers. suck it REAL hard Ralpho I dunno if you have seen the Celtics the past few weeks, they are AWFUL Yeah I know, but they Hornets haven't been much better lately. Both teams combined for like 40 turnovers in this game, sloppy game.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 10, 2010 22:43:34 GMT -5
I dont even know what to think about the Celtics anymore, I hate huge team-altering trades especially with 3 Hall of Famers involved, but they need to do something. It is disgraceful every night
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Post by Jimmy on Feb 10, 2010 22:44:11 GMT -5
Bobcats eek out a second straight win after two losses. I'll take it.
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Post by BV on Feb 10, 2010 22:45:14 GMT -5
I dont even know what to think about the Celtics anymore, I hate huge team-altering trades especially with 3 Hall of Famers involved, but they need to do something. It is disgraceful every night I like that offer, Ray Ray for Kev Martin, I don't know if the Kings would agree to it because they have such a young core, adding such an old guy like Allen would mess it up.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 10, 2010 22:50:34 GMT -5
I dont even know what to think about the Celtics anymore, I hate huge team-altering trades especially with 3 Hall of Famers involved, but they need to do something. It is disgraceful every night I like that offer, Ray Ray for Kev Martin, I don't know if the Kings would agree to it because they have such a young core, adding such an old guy like Allen would mess it up. They dump Allen at the end of the year and sign someone better with the cap space from that and dumping Nocioni, who is required in teh deal for the Kings
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Post by user9327 on Feb 11, 2010 0:14:13 GMT -5
I am not the only one calling Rondo the best player on the Celtics, a lot of people are because RIGHT NOW HE IS. The team is either old or hurt and right now Rondo is the best player on the court. I have watched all their games, he is by far the most vital cog to this team, it isnt even my opinion or false, its the truth. Garnett is not and will not ever be the same, Ray Allen just turned 60 the other night and Pierce has been banged up all year. February 10th, 2010 Rajon Rondo is the best player on the Celtics, he is what is keeping the team a float. Is the best player when its all said and done? Celtics have 3 Hall of Famers and Rasheed Wallace, but everyone who's watched the Celtics night in and night out have said Rondo is the best player on the team, for what he is doing every night when others are either hurt or just awful. Pretty good article, summing up my exact previous post...non Boston bias either AND mentioning the Celtics are still weak at backup PG bleacherreport.com/articles/343205-pivot-points-is-rajon-rondo-the-only-big-player-left-in-bostonAnother post, echoing my sentiments www.nesn.com/2010/02/rajon-rondo-the-catalyst-as-celtics-knock-off-pesky-wizards.htmlYou have a hard on for me and any mention of Rondo, I wasnt even trying to fight, but you always start one. You were misinformed about the Augustin trade and turned it into ANOTHER Rondo beatdown. Yea yea that's all fine and dandy but you're forgetting to acknowledge one thing. Paul Pierce saved their season earlier in the year with MVP potential play and without that the Celtics might be below .500 right now. But hey you watched them all year you should know this. Notice the irony here? Me, of all people, admitting great things about Paul Pierce (a guy who at one point I couldn't stand but am willing to admit when I'm wrong about certain things). Irony.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 11, 2010 0:16:53 GMT -5
Hornets about to beat the Celtics?! Without CP3? and Collison with a near triple double, cept it will be 10 turnovers. suck it REAL hard Ralpho I dunno if you have seen the Celtics the past few weeks, they are AWFUL They weren't when Paul Pierce was healthy and Garnett was missing. When it's Rondo leading the team they are in your words "awful." Hence my point, that I am apparently such a giant A-hole for debating, that Rajon Rondo has not been the best player on the Celtics this year nor the most valueable. Paul Pierce got injured before x-mas right and had problems since then right? The Celtics have been awful since x-mas right? WHAT THE HELL IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!?!?! Now if you want to take this as baiting or whatever crap you guys are complaining about that still, apparently, results in me formulating a solid opinion to counter yours... then so be it.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 11, 2010 0:17:12 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of your points sometimes. But your inability to move on and constantly twist everything everyone who has ever disagreed with you says into something you take offense to, is maddening, and causes so many fights. Ralpho is guilty of baiting you sometimes, sure, but this time it was just civil conversation. You just take such great offense at your differences in opinion, and constantly go off. You have to turn every single topic into an argument about something from ages ago, and honestly, it's just tiring. Ralpho and Johnny B both have tried to just move on, but you just won't let them. It's like you won't be content until you beat your opinion into people's heads and they cry and beg for mercy. A lot of people are afraid to even post here, and have told me as such, because they are afraid of getting shouted down, or having a topic about Oliver Miller somehow turn into a two year argument about Rajon Rondo and Danny Granger. Ralpho and I disagree a lot, but we get along ok because we after we discuss the topic, we move on to something else, and don't constantly remind each other about the one time they were wrong about something six months ago. You really should try it sometimes. I just respectfully disagree. If you're wrong about something you should have the integrity and respect for the other person to treat them with that respect and how you would want to be treated... as I have many times admitting I'm wrong when I blatantly am. You said yourself you agree with me sometimes... they never once have come clean... NEVER ONCE. That is why there are these problems you've said. I may become engaged like you said, but if you think all of these emotional things are true, then that's your assumption. I, personally, find great entertainment in how some of these people behave and like seeing how they react to logic. I also highly enjoy discussing basketball. Once again, it is what it is. edit: one last thing. If you think my disagreement with Danny Granger is better than Carmelo and Rajon Rondo is the Celtics best player is what causes a fight then I suggest you look at the situation again. When factual situations arise that prove these points wrong and the owners of such opinions that were debated don't ever acknowledge reality... yea of course I'm going to throw the facts out there again for them to see one last time. Just like you don't want to see long debates about garbage... I don't want to see the garbage in the FIRST PLACE.
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