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Post by spreedom8 on Jun 1, 2010 9:46:11 GMT -5
The C's are the most unlikable team in basketball, maybe even in all of sports. They're a bunch of jackasses, drama queens and dipsh*ts. The only guy I like is Scalabrine and that's only becaue he makes me laugh. I agree that this bunch of Cs is tough to like. Perkins, Pierce, Garnett, Davis, Rondo... Hate them all. Why do people hate Rondo? I get the KG and Pierce hatred (Not surprised the KG hatred picked up once he went to Boston) but why Rondo? I hate how much he gets away with, for one. How physically he was allowed to play against Chicago last year (irish-whipping Hinrich into the scorer's table, flat out tripping Rose several times) and his obvious travel on the play against Jason Williams. A play that's going to be in countless "THIS is what it takes to win the NBA championship" commercials and video packages -- if Boston wins, that is. Plus, he's extremely good, and I don't like that unless he's on a team that I root for.
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Post by spreedom8 on Jun 1, 2010 9:51:49 GMT -5
Oh and BTW, I agree that Ray Allen is a class act. No reason to hate him except Mark Jackson's constant insistence to call him Jesus Shuttlesworth on every single transition to commercial.
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Post by Jamal on Jun 1, 2010 12:36:55 GMT -5
Should be interesting to see if Pierce tries to pull something again.
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Post by Quanthor on Jun 1, 2010 12:56:01 GMT -5
Rondo has done a lot of growing up this season, but before this year he possesed a lot of immaturites to the point where the C's were considering trading him because he was a pain in the ass. I will say I've softened up on Rondo this year and I've even gone as far as to say on this board that he's becoming one of my favorite players to watch perform, but that doesn't mean that I love the guy's personality.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 1, 2010 12:56:43 GMT -5
Should be interesting to see if Pierce tries to pull something again. He's going to hit the ground and pretend like he's shot. He does that even when its not the finals. But he's also gonna drop 35 on the Lakers and the lead the Celtics You take the good with the bad and the drama
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Post by Jamal on Jun 1, 2010 14:09:28 GMT -5
Should be interesting to see if Pierce tries to pull something again. He's going to hit the ground and pretend like he's shot. He does that even when its not the finals. But he's also gonna drop 35 on the Lakers and the lead the Celtics You take the good with the bad and the drama I don't know if he'll have as easy a time as he did last time against the Lakers. Artest can still be a very good defender when he wants to be. If the Celtics win the series, Rondo will most likely be the MVP.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 1, 2010 16:15:50 GMT -5
He's going to hit the ground and pretend like he's shot. He does that even when its not the finals. But he's also gonna drop 35 on the Lakers and the lead the Celtics You take the good with the bad and the drama I don't know if he'll have as easy a time as he did last time against the Lakers. Artest can still be a very good defender when he wants to be. If the Celtics win the series, Rondo will most likely be the MVP. Just like Kobe, you really cant stop Pierce, and even if you slow him down...you free up Ray Allen to go nuts, or even Rondo. For all of Pierces nonsense and dramatics, he really isnt a soft player, he is one of the tougher Celtics, he just uses the drama too much which I dont understand. The guy is a warrior, unless something is dangling from the bone, you know he's gonna go out there
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Post by user9327 on Jun 1, 2010 17:09:42 GMT -5
Rondo didn't travel on the possession against Jason Williams. You are allowed to get up and maintain possession of the ball if you still have your dribble.
LeBron said the Cavs have "the edge" on signing him due to feeling "comfortable" and having many memories there.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 1, 2010 17:16:02 GMT -5
Rondo didn't travel on the possession against Jason Williams. You are allowed to get up and maintain possession of the ball if you still have your dribble. LeBron said the Cavs have "the edge" on signing him due to feeling "comfortable" and having many memories there. And the fact they can offer him more money and he is essentially in charge of personnel decisions in Cleveland.
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Post by instant classic on Jun 1, 2010 17:17:11 GMT -5
Artest won't shut him down but he'll definitely limit Pierce's effectiveness unlike Radmonavic did in 2008 where he just got pushed around by Pierce which won't happen with Artest.
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Post by user9327 on Jun 1, 2010 17:18:46 GMT -5
Rondo didn't travel on the possession against Jason Williams. You are allowed to get up and maintain possession of the ball if you still have your dribble. LeBron said the Cavs have "the edge" on signing him due to feeling "comfortable" and having many memories there. And the fact they can offer him more money and he is essentially in charge of personnel decisions in Cleveland. He can make a ridiculous amount more playing in NY.... and anywhere he goes he'll have a great say in personnel decisions... and a hell of a lot more options and resources in NY. But yea, the part that LeBron said about Cleveland, is worth noting.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 1, 2010 17:39:35 GMT -5
And the fact they can offer him more money and he is essentially in charge of personnel decisions in Cleveland. He can make a ridiculous amount more playing in NY.... and anywhere he goes he'll have a great say in personnel decisions... and a hell of a lot more options and resources in NY. But yea, the part that LeBron said about Cleveland, is worth noting. "Technically" Cleveland can pay him the most, but I agree, with endorsements and all that nonsense, NY is the most profitable. He wont be able to pick his coach in NY, why would he? D'Antoni and Walsh arent stooges like Ferry and Brown, which isnt a bad thing. I am not worried about Pierce and Artest, it's not like Pierce hasnt played him before and done well against him and everyone. This guy is a proven player with a title, he knows what he hasta do. Ron Artest is a fantastic defender, one of the best, but I am still not worried. Pierce and Allen will do fine and frankly, Derek Fisher is probably going to need an oxygen tank to deal with Rondo
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Post by user9327 on Jun 1, 2010 17:59:37 GMT -5
He can make a ridiculous amount more playing in NY.... and anywhere he goes he'll have a great say in personnel decisions... and a hell of a lot more options and resources in NY. But yea, the part that LeBron said about Cleveland, is worth noting. "Technically" Cleveland can pay him the most, but I agree, with endorsements and all that nonsense, NY is the most profitable. He wont be able to pick his coach in NY, why would he? D'Antoni and Walsh arent stooges like Ferry and Brown, which isnt a bad thing. I am not worried about Pierce and Artest, it's not like Pierce hasnt played him before and done well against him and everyone. This guy is a proven player with a title, he knows what he hasta do. Ron Artest is a fantastic defender, one of the best, but I am still not worried. Pierce and Allen will do fine and frankly, Derek Fisher is probably going to need an oxygen tank to deal with Rondo I think LeBron will have more control at 12:01 AM, July 1st than most owners will over themselves. I think the Lakers need to be more worried than Boston does in some ways and vice versa. Boston just took out Cleveland and Orlando and actually had to already play as the underdog. The Lakers are what they are, but they've beaten up on nobody in the West. Dallas and Denver were the biggest contenders a month ago and they never saw them... or the Spurs either. The Lakers matched up against the Suns for a field day and did struggle at times. That Suns team is good but the Lakers are still so much better on paper it's not even funny. Gasol is hurting. Bynum is hurting. Minutes/responsibility are going to fall onto Odom and DJ N'Benga. Even if N'Benga only plays 3 minutes all series, those 3 minutes could be at the end of the 3rd quarter or half and could be the 8-2 swing Boston needs. Who is going to stay in front of Rondo? Derek Fisher? I'd like to see him try at this stage of his career (not clowning him, serious). Shannon Brown has a shot in the dark.... in the dark. Farmar, Vuja-chick? I won't even entertain that. The lane unclogs every time KG or Rasheed are near the ball and outside the lane. That's more pivot and pressure on Gasol and Bynum's legs. This isn't double boxing out Amare so Odom can get rebounds. Quite simply, the Lakers feathers haven't been ruffled this year, yet. Boston's certainly have been. When the Lakers face a little adversity, they usually buckle for a bit. But I wouldn't take them lightly obviously. Ron Artest should be taken seriously and he could change the entire series with rebounding and just completely taking away one of those freelance options to Rondo. I think the play of both teams will be defined by the rebounding battle. Artest and Odom, most notably Odom, need to keep hitting them on the boards. I dunno if they can handle Bynum, Gasol and Odom/Artest on the boards AND hit all of those shots for 4 games... without home court. And I'm as impressed with Rondo as anyone. But all it's going to take is one bad game in the Finals when it's a match up like this to mess the series up. Rondo still is an X-factor... but for both outcomes. If the Lakers can lock down Pierce and Allen off the ball, Rondo is going to be in for a challenge. The Lakers have size to take away his vision, they have Odom and Artest who both certainly aren't going to make it easy to fling a freelance pass out of the lane and around Bynum and Gasol. There's a lot of interesting ways to look at it. If Boston puts Nate and Rondo in at the same time I think it's something worth while if they are struggling. The Lakers will get run around and just literally put more effort and fatigue on their bodies. But if Nate is missing 3 in a row it's time to go.
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Post by user9327 on Jun 1, 2010 18:06:27 GMT -5
if nobody wants to read all of that the summation is:
The Lakers have the ability to affect Boston with pressure on various points of Boston's game (especially rebounding and matching them on both ends of the floor), but will they consistently?
Boston has the ability to keep pushing through that and playing well even after bad stretches. They don't quit and they have overcome more than the Lakers have this year.
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Post by spreedom8 on Jun 1, 2010 18:36:05 GMT -5
Rondo didn't travel on the possession against Jason Williams. You are allowed to get up and maintain possession of the ball if you still have your dribble. You're allowed to move your feet AS you dribble, but he moved his feet while holding the ball. Travel by the letter or the NBA rulebook. Doesn't matter and again, nobody is going to acknowledge it, but it's 100% traveling.
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Post by extreme on Jun 1, 2010 18:37:45 GMT -5
As a Lakers hater, I'm going to root for the Celtics during the finals like I did in 08.
I can honestly say I have no idea who's going this year though. This year's lakers team isn't the same one from '08. I worry most about the bench as the Lakers have a pretty big advantage coming off the bench with Odom and sometimes Farmar. If the Celtic's bench can keep up and maintain I think the Celtics can win this.
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Post by user9327 on Jun 1, 2010 18:38:17 GMT -5
Rondo didn't travel on the possession against Jason Williams. You are allowed to get up and maintain possession of the ball if you still have your dribble. You're allowed to move your feet AS you dribble, but he moved his feet while holding the ball. Travel by the letter or the NBA rulebook. Doesn't matter and again, nobody is going to acknowledge it, but it's 100% traveling. Still never saw it. He doesn't hold the ball once. He dribbles. Not to mention if you are going directly toward the basket, even after picking up the ball, you don't need to dribble to take a step as long as you go up for a shot.
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Post by user9327 on Jun 1, 2010 18:47:24 GMT -5
Ew I'm defending Rondo and Burger King also makes ribs (pigs flying)
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jun 1, 2010 18:52:35 GMT -5
Rondo didn't travel on the possession against Jason Williams. You are allowed to get up and maintain possession of the ball if you still have your dribble. You're allowed to move your feet AS you dribble, but he moved his feet while holding the ball. Travel by the letter or the NBA rulebook. Doesn't matter and again, nobody is going to acknowledge it, but it's 100% traveling. Everyone travels. Lebron and Dwight Howard dont travel less than they travel. I understand it sucks to see, but EVERYONE does it.
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Post by spreedom8 on Jun 1, 2010 18:54:52 GMT -5
You're allowed to move your feet AS you dribble, but he moved his feet while holding the ball. Travel by the letter or the NBA rulebook. Doesn't matter and again, nobody is going to acknowledge it, but it's 100% traveling. Still never saw it. He doesn't hold the ball once. He dribbles. Not to mention if you are going directly toward the basket, even after picking up the ball, you don't need to dribble to take a step as long as you go up for a shot. Knees are the same as feet. If you're touching the ball w/your knees on the floor, you have to dribble the ball to move your knees. Again, it's going to be a dead issue in a couple of years.
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