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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 28, 2009 20:35:17 GMT -5
That doesn't mean TNA has to push someone who wasn't/isn't over. Tanahashi was over. Not that much that he should've been pushed as a top guy. He came in 3rd or4th in the X-Division ranking match and then left aswell. |
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Post by abyss on Nov 28, 2009 20:36:41 GMT -5
Here's the point: I have NO idea who any of those people are (aside from Tanahashi due to his TNA 2006 stuff). I don't have the time, nor desire to find out. That's my point is that a lot of people watching TNA do not care about Japanese wrestling, and don't want to see cross promotion that doesn't help TNA at all. And Kick Your Face, if they're prestigious across the globe, that's great. But to the average TNA viewer, they are just extra title belts that aren't necessary at all. If TNA wrestlers get no reaction in Japan, that's fine. But the Japanese wrestlers really don't serve much purpose in TNA. Just because you guys like them and think they're the best in the world doesn't mean that they do anything positive really for TNA. Just because you don't like watching or knowing all you can about wrestling and it's great wrestlers (Like Mutoh and Chono, who are probably 2 of the best ever), doesn't mean noone else in the world does.. Other people in the world may like to learn all they can about wrestling. But those people aren't the type of people that watch TNA/WWE weekly. I don't watch TNA weekly (or really at all for that matter), but if I was, I wouldn't want to see Japanese wrestlers that come in once in a blue moon. Just because they are a big deal in Japan does not mean they are here. Would people buy a PPV headlined by Kurt Angle vs. Chono? No. Boasting about their relationship with a Japanese federation just makes them look weak. They could be the greatest wrestlers in the world, but it's not a concept that will help TNA in any remote way. |
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Post by Kick Your Face on Nov 28, 2009 20:37:05 GMT -5
Not that much that he should've been pushed as a top guy. He came in 3rd or4th in the X-Division ranking match and then left aswell. Because he was sick of being misused. TNA treats New Japan unfairly in this relationship. That's like putting Kurt Angle in the under card in New Japan. You just don't do it. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 28, 2009 20:37:39 GMT -5
Just because you don't like watching or knowing all you can about wrestling and it's great wrestlers (Like Mutoh and Chono, who are probably 2 of the best ever), doesn't mean noone else in the world does.. Other people in the world may like to learn all they can about wrestling. But those people aren't the type of people that watch TNA/WWE weekly. I don't watch TNA weekly (or really at all for that matter), but if I was, I wouldn't want to see Japanese wrestlers that come in once in a blue moon. Just because they are a big deal in Japan does not mean they are here. Would people buy a PPV headlined by Kurt Angle vs. Chono? No. Boasting about their relationship with a Japanese federation just makes them look weak. They could be the greatest wrestlers in the world, but it's not a concept that will help TNA in any remote way. Agree, 100%. Not that much that he should've been pushed as a top guy. He came in 3rd or4th in the X-Division ranking match and then left aswell. Because he was sick of being misused. TNA treats New Japan unfairly in this relationship. That's like putting Kurt Angle in the under card in New Japan. You just don't do it. Again...because he wasn't that over. You can't compare Angle & him. |
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Post by Kick Your Face on Nov 28, 2009 20:41:00 GMT -5
Yes you can because Angle isn't near as over in New Japan as he is in TNA, yet NJ treats him well because he's Kurt Angle. There's a little thing called respect in a relationship and I see none of that on TNA's side.
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 28, 2009 20:44:25 GMT -5
Yes you can because Angle isn't near as over in New Japan as he is in TNA, yet NJ treats him well because he's Kurt Angle. There's a little thing called respect in a relationship and I see none of that on TNA's side. They're on US TV with more eyes in America on them..that's more than NJPW does for TNA. NJPW get the better out of the deal. TNA has nothing to gain from it. Has nothing to do with "respect". |
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Post by Kick Your Face on Nov 28, 2009 20:49:24 GMT -5
Yes you can because Angle isn't near as over in New Japan as he is in TNA, yet NJ treats him well because he's Kurt Angle. There's a little thing called respect in a relationship and I see none of that on TNA's side. They're on US TV with more eyes in America on them..that's more than NJPW does for TNA. NJPW get the better out of the deal. TNA has nothing to gain from it. Has nothing to do with "respect". Yes, with a lot of fans with a misconception of how good they are because they're stuck in three minute matches on iMPACT or worse for the (at the time) IWGP Heavyweight Champion Shinsuke Nakamura, Xplosion. It leaves a negative mark on that wrestler. Relationships are obviously supposed to have respect in them. You could see that in the WCW/NJPW relationship. They also did some questionable things, ala Juvi/Liger tequila bottle incident but overall, they treated the NJ wrestlers very well. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 20:53:30 GMT -5
Not that much that he should've been pushed as a top guy. He came in 3rd or4th in the X-Division ranking match and then left aswell. and who's fault is that? |
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 28, 2009 20:55:07 GMT -5
They're on US TV with more eyes in America on them..that's more than NJPW does for TNA. NJPW get the better out of the deal. TNA has nothing to gain from it. Has nothing to do with "respect". Yes, with a lot of fans with a misconception of how good they are because they're stuck in three minute matches on iMPACT or worse for the (at the time) IWGP Heavyweight Champion Shinsuke Nakamura, Xplosion. It leaves a negative mark on that wrestler. Relationships are obviously supposed to have respect in them. You could see that in the WCW/NJPW relationship. They also did some questionable things, ala Juvi/Liger beer bottle incident but overall, they treated the NJ wrestlers very well. It doesn't leave a negative mark on a wrestler to be featured on iMPACT at all. It gives them more people that see their work. If Billy liked one of Kiyoshi's matches on iMPACT and he's a "internet" wrestling fan. He's gonna look up more of his matches therefore seeing the ones he had in Japan. It's doing good for guys like Kiyoshi aswell as NJPW to be featured on iMPACT even if it is for 3 minutes or whatever. We're not talking about the 90's where you would have to trade tapes to watch Puro.. you said it yourself it's easy for fans on the internet to watch Puro legally. It's a good thing for them to be featured on iMPACT. Am I saying TNA is booking them perfectly? No, I'm not saying that by no means. But, we can go back and forth on this for weeks and months to come but I'm just going to agree to dis-agree and move on. |
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Post by Kick Your Face on Nov 28, 2009 20:58:35 GMT -5
Yes, with a lot of fans with a misconception of how good they are because they're stuck in three minute matches on iMPACT or worse for the (at the time) IWGP Heavyweight Champion Shinsuke Nakamura, Xplosion. It leaves a negative mark on that wrestler. Relationships are obviously supposed to have respect in them. You could see that in the WCW/NJPW relationship. They also did some questionable things, ala Juvi/Liger beer bottle incident but overall, they treated the NJ wrestlers very well. It doesn't leave a negative mark on a wrestler to be featured on iMPACT at all. It gives them more people that see their work. If Billy liked one of Kiyoshi's matches on iMPACT and he's a "internet" wrestling fan. He's gonna look up more of his matches therefore seeing the ones he had in Japan. It's doing good for guys like Kiyoshi aswell as NJPW to be featured on iMPACT even if it is for 3 minutes or whatever. We're not talking about the 90's where you would have to trade tapes to watch Puro.. you said it yourself it's easy for fans on the internet to watch Puro legally. It's a good thing for them to be featured on iMPACT. Am I saying TNA is booking them perfectly? No, I'm not saying that by no means. If you're a methodical wrestler, you're not going to be able to do much in three minutes. Tanahashi builds up by working over body parts and building up to big spots. He obviously couldn't be his best or impress hugely in three minutes. He would at least need ten minutes. |
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Post by Bob Sapp on Nov 29, 2009 1:35:06 GMT -5
Tanahashi sucks anyway, so TNA, misuse him all you like.
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Post by mnm213 on Nov 29, 2009 5:19:20 GMT -5
TNA is kind of a bigger deal than New Japan, it's known world wide and people know who their wrestlers are. You're basically saying that TNA putting Nakamura in their main event is the same as them putting Kurt Angle in theirs. Doesn't sound like a fair deal to me. And yeah, if nobody gives a crap about them, they're hardly gonna keep them on TV. When TNA fills up the Tokyo Dome with 65,000 people... Hell, when TNA can fill up a high school gym with 1000 people, get back to me Yeah and that's in Japan, a place where we can't even watch it without the internet. The point is, japanese people know who Kurt Angle is, MOST people don't know who any of these NJPW wrestlers are, so it's not acceptable to have them headlining a PPV of theirs. And I'll agree that it's making TNA look weak, by using their belts. |
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Post by Mizz Lola on Nov 29, 2009 5:25:40 GMT -5
When TNA fills up the Tokyo Dome with 65,000 people... Hell, when TNA can fill up a high school gym with 1000 people, get back to me Yeah and that's in Japan, a place where we can't even watch it without the internet. The point is, japanese people know who Kurt Angle is, MOST people don't know who any of these NJPW wrestlers are, so it's not acceptable to have them headlining a PPV of theirs. And I'll agree that it's making TNA look weak, by using their belts. You do realize that TNA does not fill seats in the UNITED STATES where they have a weekly television program correct? It is HIGHLY reasonable to compare NJPW's attendence in Japan to TNA's attendence in the United States. |
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Post by abyss on Nov 29, 2009 12:44:41 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if NJPW destroys TNA in attendance. The bottom line is that over a million people watch TNA on TV each week. Do they want to see a 10-minute Tanahashi match? No. Just pretend that the WWE & TNA did cross-promotion. Would TNA use Triple H in a main event? Yes, because people watching TNA know who Triple H is. Would WWE use Samoa Joe in a main event? No, because the majority of people watching WWE don't know who Samoa Joe is. Guys like Angle are known to people watching NJPW, but it doesn't work both ways. Honestly, a company like IWGP is lucky that their title belts are even mentioned on TNA programming. I'm not saying TNA is a better promotion or has good television, I'm just saying that New Japan is well aware that any remote type of exposure benefits them more than it benefits TNA. But TNA is too dumb to realize that.
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Post by mnm213 on Nov 29, 2009 14:52:34 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if NJPW destroys TNA in attendance. The bottom line is that over a million people watch TNA on TV each week. Do they want to see a 10-minute Tanahashi match? No. Just pretend that the WWE & TNA did cross-promotion. Would TNA use Triple H in a main event? Yes, because people watching TNA know who Triple H is. Would WWE use Samoa Joe in a main event? No, because the majority of people watching WWE don't know who Samoa Joe is. Guys like Angle are known to people watching NJPW, but it doesn't work both ways. Honestly, a company like IWGP is lucky that their title belts are even mentioned on TNA programming. I'm not saying TNA is a better promotion or has good television, I'm just saying that New Japan is well aware that any remote type of exposure benefits them more than it benefits TNA. But TNA is too dumb to realize that. Nuff said. |
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Post by Bob Sapp on Nov 30, 2009 14:25:23 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if NJPW destroys TNA in attendance. The bottom line is that over a million people watch TNA on TV each week. Do they want to see a 10-minute Tanahashi match? No. Just pretend that the WWE & TNA did cross-promotion. Would TNA use Triple H in a main event? Yes, because people watching TNA know who Triple H is. Would WWE use Samoa Joe in a main event? No, because the majority of people watching WWE don't know who Samoa Joe is. Guys like Angle are known to people watching NJPW, but it doesn't work both ways. Honestly, a company like IWGP is lucky that their title belts are even mentioned on TNA programming. I'm not saying TNA is a better promotion or has good television, I'm just saying that New Japan is well aware that any remote type of exposure benefits them more than it benefits TNA. But TNA is too dumb to realize that. IWGP isn't a company...  |
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Post by Kick Your Face on Nov 30, 2009 14:36:11 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if NJPW destroys TNA in attendance. The bottom line is that over a million people watch TNA on TV each week. Do they want to see a 10-minute Tanahashi match? No. Just pretend that the WWE & TNA did cross-promotion. Would TNA use Triple H in a main event? Yes, because people watching TNA know who Triple H is. Would WWE use Samoa Joe in a main event? No, because the majority of people watching WWE don't know who Samoa Joe is. Guys like Angle are known to people watching NJPW, but it doesn't work both ways. Honestly, a company like IWGP is lucky that their title belts are even mentioned on TNA programming. I'm not saying TNA is a better promotion or has good television, I'm just saying that New Japan is well aware that any remote type of exposure benefits them more than it benefits TNA. But TNA is too dumb to realize that. IWGP isn't a company... So he's been going this whole time thinking that NJ and "IWGP" are two separate "promotions". New Japan is the one with the relationship, not their International Wrestling Grand Prix titles. |
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Post by Mizz Lola on Nov 30, 2009 15:51:26 GMT -5
IWGP isn't a company... So he's been going this whole time thinking that NJ and "IWGP" are two separate "promotions". New Japan is the one with the relationship, not their International Wrestling Grand Prix titles. *giggles* Yup...but apparently him and JSYN are the only ones not getting it so it's k |
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Nov 30, 2009 17:11:28 GMT -5
When TNA fills up the Tokyo Dome with 65,000 people... Hell, when TNA can fill up a high school gym with 1000 people, get back to me Yeah and that's in Japan, a place where we can't even watch it without the internet. The point is, japanese people know who Kurt Angle is, MOST people don't know who any of these NJPW wrestlers are, so it's not acceptable to have them headlining a PPV of theirs. And I'll agree that it's making TNA look weak, by using their belts. If NJPW booked a US tour it would actually do better than a TNA one. Why? They wouldn't make themselves look stupid by booking themselves in arenas that they don't sell a quarter of. If NJPW sold out a 500 seat venue, fantastic. They do that in Japan anyway, they're used to the size. NJPW doesn't have US exposure per say. But if an average fan saw a poster with Liger, Chono, Tiger Mask, Giant Bernard, maybe MCMGs or someone if TNA helped produce the tour, those fans would go. Chono and Liger are in WWE releases and Liger has been in TNA. Tiger Mask appeals to kids. Giant Bernard is a former WWE guy who people will know. Saying NJPW could sell a 500 seat tour is a fine deal and very probably. TNA can't even do that in every city because they make themselves look silly a lot. Also TNA really needs to quit booking arenas. It's off topic I know. But you look better when you sell a place out because then you can come back and do a larger place. But TNA is also intellectually- disabled and fired their agent who told them this. |
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Dec 1, 2009 11:50:31 GMT -5
I think jsyn and the TNA crew are forgetting a crucial point of wrestling.
If the person isn't over you don't use him twice and make that decision. It is your job as a company to try and get certain people over. I'm almost 100% positive that if TNA put any kind of effort into this cross promotion thing with New Japan that these guys would be getting monstrously over as the fans of TNA DO seem to appreciate good wrestling, TNA's bookers just refuse to deliver 9 times out of 10 with Wolfe/Angle and Joe/Daniels/Styles being the exceptions...
My point is that even if they weren't over (Which I'm pretty sure is false) the onus is still on TNA to try and get them over. And it's really not hard to get people like Liger and others over with a TNA crowd.
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