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Post by Warheart on Nov 30, 2009 2:03:42 GMT -5
Good to see everyone is so sure I would've been demolished. I honestly didn't finish my figure because just a few days ago Gate was asking if this thing was still on because he wasn't going to get the parts he needed, so I wasn't going to use the very little free time I had left to make a figure with the chance that I wouldn't have an opponent. Let me add that having a competition with figures due a couple days after thanksgiving is probably one of the worst possible times, with the exception of having one a couple days after Christmas. I really regret not being able to hand something in, but It sincerely irritates me when people, especially those who shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as I, make ridiculous statements without actually seeing any figures from me for quite some time. It's no sweat off my brow though, at least I'm not going to lose to someone who couldn't even do their own head sculpt and commissioned someone else to make a mask for my figure.It's not that I couldn't, I just didn't.  Like yourself I am made of excuses too, (and sorry if a peasant like myself is comparing myself to yourself.) I too, go to college, and I also have a job. I have very little time to work on customs. And I will fully 100% admit that my Cobra Commander's mask is not done by me. It was ordered from Rozz a while back and it was received just in time for the competition. I know if I had enough time and materials I could have done a mask of my own. Probably not as good as Rozz's but at least something original by me. But Never once was I planning on saying that I made that mask because it's really not my style to take credit for the labor of another. If the public feels that I should be banned or striped of my chances of competing on here then so be it. I do honestly feel that Dream was cheated. It was a handicap match in a sense and I greatly apologize. Call me weak, call me a fraud. I honestly wasn't planning on competing after this match win or loose. I feel that I accomplished enough for myself even if it seems like I havent accomplished anything in the eyes of others. |
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Post by fulgore on Nov 30, 2009 2:17:28 GMT -5
SANDY- Seems like you made this one before??But it looks good lots of little detail , cape seems a little boring lines on the "apron" are a little off I think u could of done better on the mask. 9/10
TEAMRATEDCDS- Simple custom little too simple but I like it besides the MMA gloves 8.5/10
MRSAVEUS- Very simple seems like u did this one also if so 1/10 if its new 2/10 lol
WARHEART- Took my idea , nice use of parts simple head seems a little too thick 9/10
NYDREAM- I hate Toy Story I give u credit though for a full head sculpt lines on the shirt are ok and parts are ok just seems a little too bulky 8/10
BRK- Skin tone looks great and nicely painted you did improve lots on your painting nice and smooth not too thick . Simple repaint but I like it , you should of gone with a NWO paint job . 8.5/10
GATE- Where ever the hell you are ?? You stole the show with this one , I think you can whore this on ebay for a pretty penny . I might just have to copie you 10/10
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Post by stlcardinalsfan on Nov 30, 2009 2:44:03 GMT -5
thanks guys on the nice replys , i also sculpted the kneepads its kinda hard to see though
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Post by Titantrap: Gold Club Veteran on Nov 30, 2009 3:50:49 GMT -5
Let me address this Warheart/NYDream situation. First of all, I knew about the mask before the show, i saw pics Rozz had shown me of the molds he made for it. There was no attempt at deception on the part of Warheart. Secondly, no disrespect to Rozz whatsoever, but the mask was not very good. It's not terrible, but it wasn't any factor in my vote. In fact it was the second largest detractor from the custom. If it were a situation where it was an amazing mask and the rest of the work was bad, I could understand the fuss. But, that is not the case, in the case of Dreams custom, the head on the figure he made was it's biggest failure. So let's put it this way, take away the heads of both figures. The painting on Warhearts figure is cleaner, smoother, the part choices are very good and overall it is good solid piece. The painting on Dreams custom is passable, but the lines on the shirt are all over the place. The part choices are not accurate to the look of the character he was trying to approximate. Overall the piece is very ambitious, but not very well excecuted. Comparing the two customs fairly, no heads involved, Warheart is still the clear winner. I feel for Dream, i realize he had an issue with the head of his figure, but that is the way it goes. We don't penalize people for using Ralph accesories on customs, we don't DQ for using decals that someone else designed, Warheart didn't send Rozz parts and have him make a figure, he bought a prefab accesory and used it in his work. If he would've repainted the Lex Luger executioner's mask from the old WCW line, would that be cheating. They are both rubber masks that were purchased and not made by him. My vote remains the same and i see no reason for any DQ.
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Post by NYdream™ on Nov 30, 2009 6:49:52 GMT -5
Let me address this Warheart/NYDream situation. First of all, I knew about the mask before the show, i saw pics Rozz had shown me of the molds he made for it. There was no attempt at deception on the part of Warheart. Secondly, no disrespect to Rozz whatsoever, but the mask was not very good. It's not terrible, but it wasn't any factor in my vote. In fact it was the second largest detractor from the custom. If it were a situation where it was an amazing mask and the rest of the work was bad, I could understand the fuss. But, that is not the case, in the case of Dreams custom, the head on the figure he made was it's biggest failure. So let's put it this way, take away the heads of both figures. The painting on Warhearts figure is cleaner, smoother, the part choices are very good and overall it is good solid piece. The painting on Dreams custom is passable, but the lines on the shirt are all over the place. The part choices are not accurate to the look of the character he was trying to approximate. Overall the piece is very ambitious, but not very well excecuted. Comparing the two customs fairly, no heads involved, Warheart is still the clear winner. I feel for Dream, i realize he had an issue with the head of his figure, but that is the way it goes. We don't penalize people for using Ralph accesories on customs, we don't DQ for using decals that someone else designed, Warheart didn't send Rozz parts and have him make a figure, he bought a prefab accesory and used it in his work. If he would've repainted the Lex Luger executioner's mask from the old WCW line, would that be cheating. They are both rubber masks that were purchased and not made by him. My vote remains the same and i see no reason for any DQ. Ok but quality aside let me ask you this.... Without Rozzs mask where would his cobra commander be? What would it be? Its not like a mask is a Macho Man robe. You said this is the same thing as ralphs clothing or decals well its not and you know it. For a custom with a mask the mask is basically the whole head sine I garuntee there probably werent any mods underneath So could I have had Rozz make my whole head for me? If so Ill start doing that every match. Its ridicolous how no one on here sees how stupid this is. Even warheart sees what im saying. Rozz made the most crucial point of his custom even if it does suck or even if it is not good without it where would have Warheart been? A Jakks scan on a cobra commander body and would have A: either turned it in and had an incomplete custom or B: Been another no show. Its ridicolous hell even Gate agrees with me and he hates me... Excuse my typos... |
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Post by becca on Nov 30, 2009 7:28:55 GMT -5
I did see the thread where Rozz was doing the hoods but I didn't put 2 and 2 together. That said, my vote stands, but perhaps NYDream should get an immediate rubber match should he lose.
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Post by biohazard on Nov 30, 2009 9:32:45 GMT -5
So, where's the party at?
Sorry for the no show, Gents. I was doing the Thanksgiving thing and forgot to take the crapwith me to finish. My fault. I was making Gizmo in a full sculpt. Ehhhh, what can ya do?
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Post by kustomkreations on Nov 30, 2009 11:59:38 GMT -5
OK....What's the big damn deal. Now, first, I made the hood (DUH). Second, the word commissioned is getting thrown around. Warheart asked me to make it and offered to pay. If anyone talks to me on here they know that I DO NOT accept MONEY or trades from customizers(well, maybe 2 times since I joined). I do things because I like to help people out. I sent him a jar of blue rubber (for touch-ups) and 3 hoods. Now, If I wanted to be a real dick I would've painted the damn logo. That's not the case. NYDream PM'd yesterday with pics of his figure? Did I send them to Warheart? No. If that would've been a MMA head the Irish Rebel made, or a head that Warsman cast, everything would've been fine. I help lots of customizers on here. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many flat rate boxes I've sent full of crap over the past 2 years to people on here that I don't even know off the net. Most of the time they're over 20 Lbs and full of supplies and parts. All of the other hoods were also sent free of charge. I only did those to get a feel for the demand and to find the best shipping method.  It's just what I do. Not trying to be self-serving...This is just getting blown out of proportion. Dream? What about that Hulk/Brock...We settled on a price, you needed more time and what did I say? Don't worry about. Keep the money (it was either $50 or 75). Pay it forward. Remember, these are plastic men with imaginary tittles. If it really bugs you that much go get laid or...god forbid - volunteer yourself for something. AND, yeah that hood might suck but I tried. It's because I sculpted it too small and it doesn't stretch right over the head. That's my fault. I don't see anyone else trying something "outside of the box" on here.  For the record-  Namaste |
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Post by Titantrap: Gold Club Veteran on Nov 30, 2009 13:07:41 GMT -5
Let me address this Warheart/NYDream situation. First of all, I knew about the mask before the show, i saw pics Rozz had shown me of the molds he made for it. There was no attempt at deception on the part of Warheart. Secondly, no disrespect to Rozz whatsoever, but the mask was not very good. It's not terrible, but it wasn't any factor in my vote. In fact it was the second largest detractor from the custom. If it were a situation where it was an amazing mask and the rest of the work was bad, I could understand the fuss. But, that is not the case, in the case of Dreams custom, the head on the figure he made was it's biggest failure. So let's put it this way, take away the heads of both figures. The painting on Warhearts figure is cleaner, smoother, the part choices are very good and overall it is good solid piece. The painting on Dreams custom is passable, but the lines on the shirt are all over the place. The part choices are not accurate to the look of the character he was trying to approximate. Overall the piece is very ambitious, but not very well excecuted. Comparing the two customs fairly, no heads involved, Warheart is still the clear winner. I feel for Dream, i realize he had an issue with the head of his figure, but that is the way it goes. We don't penalize people for using Ralph accesories on customs, we don't DQ for using decals that someone else designed, Warheart didn't send Rozz parts and have him make a figure, he bought a prefab accesory and used it in his work. If he would've repainted the Lex Luger executioner's mask from the old WCW line, would that be cheating. They are both rubber masks that were purchased and not made by him. My vote remains the same and i see no reason for any DQ. Ok but quality aside let me ask you this.... Without Rozzs mask where would his cobra commander be? What would it be? Its not like a mask is a Macho Man robe. You said this is the same thing as ralphs clothing or decals well its not and you know it. For a custom with a mask the mask is basically the whole head sine I garuntee there probably werent any mods underneath So could I have had Rozz make my whole head for me? If so Ill start doing that every match. Its ridicolous how no one on here sees how stupid this is. Even warheart sees what im saying. Rozz made the most crucial point of his custom even if it does suck or even if it is not good without it where would have Warheart been? A Jakks scan on a cobra commander body and would have A: either turned it in and had an incomplete custom or B: Been another no show. Its ridicolous hell even Gate agrees with me and he hates me... Excuse my typos... First of all, there is no such thing as "quality aside" in this competition. Quality is the point. I see your point, i don't agree with it, nor feel that it is valid, but i do understand it. This is the end of this issue, i've already told you in pm's you can have a rematch, but let me again make this clear, there is NO disqualification. My vote stands as does Becca's, there are two more judges to vote, so you have yet to actually lose this match. I'm sure if you had gotten the votes in the first place, we wouldn't even be talking about this. As Rozz said, they're just toys, learn to lose with dignity. |
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Post by Sandy on Nov 30, 2009 13:28:33 GMT -5
OK....What's the big damn deal. Now, first, I made the hood (DUH). Second, the word commissioned is getting thrown around. Warheart asked me to make it and offered to pay. If anyone talks to me on here they know that I DO NOT accept MONEY or trades from customizers(well, maybe 2 times since I joined). I do things because I like to help people out. I sent him a jar of blue rubber (for touch-ups) and 3 hoods. Now, If I wanted to be a real dick I would've painted the damn logo. That's not the case. NYDream PM'd yesterday with pics of his figure? Did I send them to Warheart? No. If that would've been a MMA head the Irish Rebel made, or a head that Warsman cast, everything would've been fine. I help lots of customizers on here. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many flat rate boxes I've sent full of crap over the past 2 years to people on here that I don't even know off the net. Most of the time they're over 20 Lbs and full of supplies and parts. All of the other hoods were also sent free of charge. I only did those to get a feel for the demand and to find the best shipping method. It's just what I do. Not trying to be self-serving...This is just getting blown out of proportion. Dream? What about that Hulk/Brock...We settled on a price, you needed more time and what did I say? Don't worry about. Keep the money (it was either $50 or 75). Pay it forward. Remember, these are plastic men with imaginary tittles. If it really bugs you that much go get laid or...god forbid - volunteer yourself for something. AND, yeah that hood might suck but I tried. It's because I sculpted it too small and it doesn't stretch right over the head. That's my fault. I don't see anyone else trying something "outside of the box" on here. For the record- Namaste Lisa Ann in your sig?.. anyways I think the hoods look amazing. |
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Post by NYdream™ on Nov 30, 2009 15:27:33 GMT -5
Ok but quality aside let me ask you this.... Without Rozzs mask where would his cobra commander be? What would it be? Its not like a mask is a Macho Man robe. You said this is the same thing as ralphs clothing or decals well its not and you know it. For a custom with a mask the mask is basically the whole head sine I garuntee there probably werent any mods underneath So could I have had Rozz make my whole head for me? If so Ill start doing that every match. Its ridicolous how no one on here sees how stupid this is. Even warheart sees what im saying. Rozz made the most crucial point of his custom even if it does suck or even if it is not good without it where would have Warheart been? A Jakks scan on a cobra commander body and would have A: either turned it in and had an incomplete custom or B: Been another no show. Its ridicolous hell even Gate agrees with me and he hates me... Excuse my typos... First of all, there is no such thing as "quality aside" in this competition. Quality is the point. I see your point, i don't agree with it, nor feel that it is valid, but i do understand it. This is the end of this issue, i've already told you in pm's you can have a rematch, but let me again make this clear, there is NO disqualification. My vote stands as does Becca's, there are two more judges to vote, so you have yet to actually lose this match. I'm sure if you had gotten the votes in the first place, we wouldn't even be talking about this. As Rozz said, they're just toys, learn to lose with dignity. I honestly dont care if I lose the match. One of my suggestions to you was that I just get a rematch at the next ppv and you agreed. But he has said his intentions are not to compete after this. So then what? Im not bothered by losing Ive lost multiple times...  |
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Post by Titantrap: Gold Club Veteran on Nov 30, 2009 15:37:01 GMT -5
I fail to see why he would take a title match if he wasn't interested in competing again.
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Post by stlcardinalsfan on Nov 30, 2009 15:40:31 GMT -5
I fail to see why he would take a title match if he wasn't interested in competing again. noobs (shakes head) i want to come forward too, well, that I helped Me on My custom you guys get all fired up about nothing, chillax,why? cuz barry  ing white sez so  |
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Post by £ Mr Saveus £ on Nov 30, 2009 16:58:30 GMT -5
I fail to see why he would take a title match if he wasn't interested in competing again. noobs (shakes head) i want to come forward too, well, that I helped Me on My custom you guys get all fired up about nothing, chillax,why? cuz barry ing white sez so I hope theres no Lies going on  |
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Post by stlcardinalsfan on Nov 30, 2009 17:09:53 GMT -5
noobs (shakes head) i want to come forward too, well, that I helped Me on My custom you guys get all fired up about nothing, chillax,why? cuz barry ing white sez so I hope theres no Lies going on i told myself i had a deadline and to not be late.i listened, payed myself 30$ and i got to work, turned out damn fine i f you ask me |
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Post by £ Mr Saveus £ on Nov 30, 2009 17:22:43 GMT -5
I hope theres no Lies going on i told myself i had a deadline and to not be late.i listened, payed myself 30$ and i got to work, turned out damn fine i f you ask me Damn, Maybe I should try that to motivate Me abit more ;D |
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Post by j2dacversion3 on Nov 30, 2009 17:36:48 GMT -5
Sandy, in all fairness... Gore is ten times better than Rome.
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Post by jthomps3 on Nov 30, 2009 18:05:51 GMT -5
Hello All-
First, I wanted to say great job to all contenders. Below is my full review.
Match 1:
Sandy- Great figure. Excellent accessories. You went above and beyond on this figure. It looks fantastic. There are only two things that bother me about this immaculate figure, #1.) Your camera does your figures no justice. You have optimal skills, but the minute details are often difficult to decipher, due to the poor photo quality. In addition, #2.) the chin looks like a “smirking” face, and nonetheless doesn’t look intense and intimidating as Mortis was. Excellent job!
Mr. Saveus- Nice figure. The chest hair looks as if it was shaved into that shape, as opposed to it naturally growing in that manner. It looks more like Sterling Golden’s chest hair (which was shaved into an atomic bomb shape). The pants are very simple. They look too much like the CS28 pants for me to be overly impressed. Moreover, the gloves are too high… they look like Brutus Beefcake’s gloves. Nice job.
Team Rated CDS- Nice ‘Taker. I don’t think this was your best figure ever. There’s nothing that sets this figure apart from the 1,000,002 ‘Taker figures we have seen at retail.
WINNER: SANDY. He went far beyond his competitors’ efforts.
Match 2:
Warheart vs. NYDream: You are both talented customizers, and are terrific individuals behind the scenes also. I like you both. I’d like to see a straight Warheart vs. NYDream before I could accurately score this one. It feels more like a handicap bout.
I’D LOVE TO CHALLENGE THE WINNER OF THIS MATCH.
Match 3:
BRKCustoms- Nice Perfect. Nothing to really comment on.
Match 4:
GateCitySinner- Superb custom. Period.
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Post by Sandy on Nov 30, 2009 18:54:07 GMT -5
thanks Axehennig.
it does get quite disappointing that all the work I put into my customs often gets ignored. I feel I'm right up there with anyone on this board as far as detail painting goes.. My sculpting isn't the best...my skintones are whatever.....I suck at choosing parts for a custom....but when it comes to painting little details or tattoos or something intricate like that I feel I can hang with the best of them. But those details are rarely mentioned. So it is nice to have someone point them out. Thanks again.
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Post by Gonzo Customs on Nov 30, 2009 19:22:34 GMT -5
Sandy vs TeamRated vs Saveus
Sandy - The sculpting detail is amazing as usual. The shoulder pieces, chest, crotch thingy, shin guards, and even the staff are just amazing. The mask is well sculpted and even though the detail is very faint I see it and the shadowing you were going for. It does look like the mask is missing something though and I just can't put my finger on it. Maybe needs to be darker, I don't know. The paint job is flawless imo and a very well put together figure. The crotch piece and cape look too stiff for some reason, but those are minor on such a great figure.
Teamrated - I love seeing this era of Taker though I have some complaints. First off I would have liked to see the detail on the chest sculpted then painted, it would add a lot of depth and realism to the figure. Also I don't like the use of the mma gloves. I believe he wore just black gloves at this point, he didn't dawn the mma gloves till the last few years, post American Bad Ass. The paint job looks perfect and very clean. The only complaint I have on the paint job is that it looks chalky, and that might be either your flash and lighting, or lack of sealer, I'm not sure. Either way the figure looks great.
Saveus - I would have to say this is your best work by far. Great layoff and return, this figure looks like it came right out of the box. I honestly can't tell what you might have changed from a normal HBK figure. The hearts look great and are prefectly painted IMO. Very well done for a return. The chest hair looks well done and I like the head choice, one of the better HBK heads they have made. Great job overall.
Winner - Sandy, his figure overall had a lot more work put into it and a lot more wow factor for me. I know I've seen probably a thousand Taker and HBK's and probably 35 Mortis figures. I would have to say that both the HBk and Taker are in the top 20 or so of their respective figures that I have seen. Mortis on the other hand is a definite top 5 on figures of him I have seen. For that I give it to Sandy
Warheart vs NyDream
Warheart - I love the Cobra Commander, GI Joe was one of my favorite cartoons growing up, as well as the toys. The paint job is immaculate. At first I thought the mask was sculpted, but at second look it looks like one of Rozz's latex hoods. I'm not sure, either way it looks good. It does look a little rough though in places. The leg bands look a little chunky on the top, but the rest of the bands look good. I like that you added the leg band and keeping him more like the cartoon. The color of the uniform is great and the logos are well done. I really like the addition of the belt buckle.
Nydream - This is one of your best showings of painting in a long time. You really put forthe some effort on this one and made it look good. The shirt to the vest are both well done and look near perfect. Pants and boots are both well done and the belt buckle looks nice. Head looks like a full head sculpt, and is very well done. My only major complaints are that the eyes look all goofy. I would have repainted the eyes before sending in, but oh well. Another thing to me that would have really made it stand out as Woody is the head size. A large head on a thin neck would have made it look really good and emulate the doll likeness.
Winner - Warheart, I think overall the figure stood out more and was the cleaner figure. The eyes and head size to me swayed that over. Both figures were great and definitely Dream's best showing in a long while.
BRK - Hennig looks great. I like the skintone and the singlet paint, looks well done. Too bad your opponents no showed.
Gate - I am blown away really. The figure looks perfect. Though... I have to give the match to Gore as his figure just looked better... j/k haha. The sculpting detail is amazing and very true to the chracter. Painting is very nice as usual. Great job on this one, too bad Gore no showed, though I think with this figure he wouldn't have had a chance. Now we need to see you face Jay or Famous J. With the showing from this figure it shows that either one would be a great match. It's been really nice to see you grow as a sculptor. We gave you enough crapfor so long about your sculpting that you really took it to another level and it shows. Great job, love the balloon.
Titan - Overall I think the figure is good, but the head is iffy to me. Otherwise the attire is well done and a unique figure. Good job.
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