bencw
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Post by bencw on Dec 4, 2009 15:44:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2009 15:45:15 GMT -5
F4WOnline says he's been taken off life suport.
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June
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Post by June on Dec 4, 2009 15:45:43 GMT -5
Tragic is when a baby is born with a terminal disease. Tragic is when a child dies young. Tragic is when a family passes away at night due to carbon monoxide poisoning. It is not tragic when a grown millionaire with a family refuses to get help for his drug addiction and as a result dies of a drug overdose. You are allowed to have your opinion, and you can define tragic as however you want. I personally think in this case it is defined as a wrestler who was a hero to many kids could tragically lose a hero of theirs today. Don't judge a persons character by what they do wrong, judge it off of what they do right. We're all sinners, but how do we make up for it? So we judge his character based on his wrestling skills and not his piss poor selfish decision making? This is only tragic to people whom have never dealt with real tragedy. I actually envy those people.
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Post by Joe CR on Dec 4, 2009 15:46:03 GMT -5
Not trying to be an @#$%, and I honestly hope he pulls through but I just find it odd how many people think "praying" does anything. Why? Just because your religious views disagree with praying doesn't mean they don't work. There is no evidence to suggest praying does nothing.
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Post by shiftyeyes on Dec 4, 2009 15:47:15 GMT -5
I see you're point, but surely, if you were offered a hand to save you from falling off a cliff you'd take it right? Him turning down the offer of rehabilitation is simply the equivalent of turning down the hand at the cliff side. If Umaga dies, it's Umaga's fault. I realize that. I still think it's terrible, and in my eye, tragic. It is tragic I guess thinking about it, because this situation could have been avoided, had he just swallowed his pride and admitted he had a problem. If Rey Mysterio can do it, Umaga can "/ .
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Post by Lennon on Dec 4, 2009 15:47:22 GMT -5
Not trying to be an @#$%, and I honestly hope he pulls through but I just find it odd how many people think "praying" does anything. How about not starting a religious argument?
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on Dec 4, 2009 15:49:13 GMT -5
F4WOnline says he's been taken off life suport. If that's true then it pretty much confirms he's passed on
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Post by White Trash Lucha on Dec 4, 2009 15:49:20 GMT -5
Lordsofpain. From their twitters "D'Angelo Dinero / Elijah Burke: "Pope was informed many hours ago of my friend Umaga. Pope will not comment until the family speaks, neither should you. Prayer is key! ~ PHS"
Bobby Lashley: "Very sad day today. A good friend is gone."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2009 15:50:30 GMT -5
F4WOnline says he's been taken off life suport. If that's true then it pretty much confirms he's passed on Not necessarily, it could mean he's regained consciousness. Here's hoping, anyway.
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Post by the franchise on Dec 4, 2009 15:50:44 GMT -5
The guy was young too.
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Post by Sam on Dec 4, 2009 15:50:57 GMT -5
QFT Honestly, it's too soon to really be debating who's at fault, but if it is drug related, the help was offered and as far as we've been informed, he refused help. Let's see: - A well documented history of drug abuse. - Refused rehabilitation. - Found passed out and not breathing with blood coming out of his nose. Sounds like a overdose to me. Which is totally his fault. Its not a shock that wrestlers use drugs. As a matter of fact, I'd say 80% of wrestling deaths would be drug related. Look at Eddie Guerrero, his death was drug related, but he was drug free for five years before. You can't say it was his fault. They all know what it will do to them, but, unfortunately, some people become addicted to them, it is hard to overcome an addiction if you have been doing it for so long, no matter how many times you go to rehab, sometimes that don't work.
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June
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Post by June on Dec 4, 2009 15:51:25 GMT -5
If Umaga dies, it's Umaga's fault. I realize that. I still think it's terrible, and in my eye, tragic. Agreed. In my eyes, any death is tragic, especially an unexpected out-of-the-blue death like this... It's amazing how some people come in here and can't keep their thoughts to themselves in such a sad time. Drugs or not, this is a guy I loved watching and I would be devestated if he passed away. Unexpected and out of the blue? The guy has been suspended twice by the WWE for violating their drug policy, he refused and was subsequently fired. Instead of getting help he decides to continue his self destructive lifestyle and as a result is now dead of a drug overdose. How is that unexpected and out of the blue? Whenever you put an illegal substance, or abuse a substance you are putting your life in jeopardy. Also this is a friggin msg board why should I have to keep my thoughts to myself?
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Dec 4, 2009 15:54:40 GMT -5
You are allowed to have your opinion, and you can define tragic as however you want. I personally think in this case it is defined as a wrestler who was a hero to many kids could tragically lose a hero of theirs today. Don't judge a persons character by what they do wrong, judge it off of what they do right. We're all sinners, but how do we make up for it? So we judge his character based on his wrestling skills and not his piss poor selfish decision making? This is only tragic to people whom have never dealt with real tragedy. I actually envy those people. Who said anything about wrestling skills? I said the character and the things he did. I don't know him personally, and neither did you. And don't tell me anything about tragedy. My brother passed away at the age of 27 this past summer from a heart attack, so please don't assume or lump me in with people who don't know what a tragedy is.
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June
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Post by June on Dec 4, 2009 15:56:07 GMT -5
Let's see: - A well documented history of drug abuse. - Refused rehabilitation. - Found passed out and not breathing with blood coming out of his nose. Sounds like a overdose to me. Which is totally his fault. Its not a shock that wrestlers use drugs. As a matter of fact, I'd say 80% of wrestling deaths would be drug related. Look at Eddie Guerrero, his death was drug related, but he was drug free for five years before. You can't say it was his fault. They all know what it will do to them, but, unfortunately, some people become addicted to them, it is hard to overcome an addiction if you have been doing it for so long, no matter how many times you go to rehab, sometimes that don't work. Eddie Guerrero may have been off narcotics and pain pills, but he was without a doubt on steroids at the time of his death. He had swelled to the biggest he had ever been in his career, but this thread is about Umaga, I also agree that drug use is rampant in the wrestling world.
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Post by moonlight on Dec 4, 2009 15:56:19 GMT -5
Umaga was just taken off life support according to a source. We're told his family was told to get into town and to the hospital right away. Family members have been told they believe he suffered a heart attack. He had just returned a few days ago from the Hulk Hogan tour of Australia. I am ready to say RIP Umaga
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on Dec 4, 2009 15:56:23 GMT -5
If that's true then it pretty much confirms he's passed on Not necessarily, it could mean he's regained consciousness. Here's hoping, anyway. Obviously, but you'd think if he was improving they'd of said 'Umaga taken off life support, condition improving' or something.
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Post by missedgehead on Dec 4, 2009 15:56:50 GMT -5
Not trying to be an @#$%, and I honestly hope he pulls through but I just find it odd how many people think "praying" does anything. How about not starting a religious argument? This. (Holding my tongue)
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Post by CBT on Dec 4, 2009 15:58:05 GMT -5
I know this sounds stupid, but I think there may be some kind of weird curse going on. Whenever I am asleep during the afternoon/evening or haven't been on the PC nearly all day, something big happens. A death, a release, a signing. It just always seems to happen. I feel the same way.. I can't put it as specific as not being on the computer.. but it does seem to come out of nowhere considering the fact I check PWInsider quite regularly and really didn't bother much the last couple days
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Post by ohernan6 on Dec 4, 2009 16:01:50 GMT -5
I really hope he gets better -
It's sad but I just don't think it's a tragedy - just another dumb-ass wrestler who didn't want to to quit and thought he had it together...
I've had friends on the same boat and it sucks how they think they have their party under control...
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Post by Blackjack on Dec 4, 2009 16:03:30 GMT -5
Reports are coming in that Edward “Umaga” Fatu was pulled off life support minutes ago. His family has been told to come into town as quickly as possible. Family members have been told he suffered a heart attack.
Details are still sketchy but apparently he fell asleep last night while watching TV and several hours later, his wife found him not breathing with blood coming out of his nose. He was then rushed to the hospital.
so if he hasn't passed on now, its only a matter of hours.
Rip Jamal/Umaga
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