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Post by deskjet on Jan 5, 2010 22:58:52 GMT -5
I think this is what everyone is mising. IF i come on national tv and say that this Friday night I am going to have 4 naked woman wrestling, and in my double main event John Cena will fight against The Rock and Kurt Angle will fight Aj Styles for the World Title in an iron man match, I guanrantee I would get a rating of about 4.0 and higher.
And here's what I've been saying that people dont seem to understand. Just becasue the ratings are high does not mean the prodcut is/was good. TNA will always hover around 1.2 and RAw will always hover around 3.3 as long as their is a core base of wrestling fans. All TNA got was a cheap pop rating, but someone please explain to me what, on that show, outside of the main event and and the random former WWE guy popping up, was interesting that would make me come back to tune in next week? There were no storylines developed, no new stars pushed...Thus once the novelty of the cheap pop rating is over, guess what, TNA dips back down to 1.0 until they come up with someone else to say "Hey we're gonna bring in this person and he'll boost ratings...only for the same scenario to happen again.
Maybe ratings will stay around 1.3 for awhile, but once again, when people get tired of seeing the same nonsensical shyt, they'll tune out.
What made WCW work was that every week they provided an ending hook, that made viewers tune in, then they followed it up with "Can't miss TV" centered around a compelling storyline that was different, and then mixed it in with a little bit of something for everyone..ie luchadores, women wrestling, solid midcard, tag teams. In TNA we get used up jobber here, used up jobber there, young stars pushed then de-pushed in a matter of weeks, no ongoing compelling storylines, or storylines that just drag on forever till we dont give a shyt( see abyss and Stevie year long feud).
TNA will continue to waste money and fool themselves into thinking that they are succeeding as long as they keep relying on these quick fixes. This isnt the 90's, the internet has ruined the surprise factor and people want something differnt, not the same stuff recycled over and over and over again.
How many more years must we sit through hearing dixie say she's gonna push the X divsion only to see them get no tv or ppv time. How many more years are we gonna sit through pointless storylines that either never end or get to the point where people just dont care anymore.
A company that has as much experience in its creative department that TNA does, has no excuse to be having to remake themselves every 2-3 years or constantly be struggling to get 1.0 viewers on a night when they are unopposed.
I know some of you wont get or agree with what I'm saying, but I've seen entirely too much of what works and doesnt work in wrestling to not have a valid opinion. I honestly want TNA to succeed, but I'm honestly sick of being embarassed and mind raped year in and year out as well. If last night was any indication of how well this new creative team is gonna do, god help tna!
TNA,You want consitently higher ratings...bring in something fresh and new and keep people interested from one week to the next, hell even from one segment to the next, learn from your past mistakes, and stop repeating them. And for gods' sake listen to what your fans want once in awhile...I mean really listen.
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Jan 5, 2010 23:08:39 GMT -5
It was an introductory show, relax. And don't say there were no storylines developed... Angle/Styles, the mystery attacker, ODB/Tara, Knockout Tag title shot from the week before on new years....
hell... the story line that has been pushed for the past month and a half...HOGAN IS IN THE IMPACT ZONE! what else do you want? they've been building towards that for ages. And the Foley/Hogan thing? Are you serious? Did you even watch the show?
edit.. oh yeah.. And also what is going to happen with the nwo reuniting? will jeff hardy be working for tna? where is jeff jarrett going to go with hogan? why did the nasty boys destroy the dudleyz locker room?
have i made my point yet?
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 5, 2010 23:12:35 GMT -5
"Listen to what your fans want!"
"We want young talent pushed!"
AJ goes over Sting at BFG
Morgan co-main events BFG with Kurt Angle
AJ/Daniels/Joe main event turning point
Wolfe co-main events TP with Angle
AJ/Daniels main event Final Resolution
Wolfe co-main events FR with Angle and wins 1 fall
AJ goes over Angle on 1/4 iMPACT
Holy crap.. notice a trend? The young stars are being pushed. :-O
Also, noone is making you watch. Dixie Carter doesn't have a gun to your head saying "WATCH OR I'LL BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT!", it's your choice to watch every week. TNA can only "jerk you around" as long as you allow them to.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 5, 2010 23:15:51 GMT -5
It was an introductory show, relax. And don't say there were no storylines developed... Angle/Styles, the mystery attacker, ODB/Tara, Knockout Tag title shot from the week before on new years.... hell... the story line that has been pushed for the past month and a half...HOGAN IS IN THE IMPACT ZONE! what else do you want? they've been building towards that for ages. And the Foley/Hogan thing? Are you serious? Did you even watch the show? edit.. oh yeah.. And also what is going to happen with the nwo reuniting? will jeff hardy be working for tna? where is jeff jarrett going to go with hogan? why did the nasty boys destroy the dudleyz locker room? have i made my point yet? Yeah, I got your point. Could be good storylines for those guys. What about your younger talent that we saw all of maybe 10 minutes of? buried again? If tna had another show...I'd say sure lets do it...but if they are gonna try to fit what they pushed last night into their shows...what happens to the other guys. Like I said, we'll see how this all plays out, but I've been down this road before. |
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Post by deskjet on Jan 5, 2010 23:20:11 GMT -5
"Listen to what your fans want!" "We want young talent pushed!" AJ goes over Sting at BFG Morgan co-main events BFG with Kurt Angle AJ/Daniels/Joe main event turning point Wolfe co-main events TP with Angle AJ/Daniels main event Final Resolution Wolfe co-main events FR with Angle and wins 1 fall AJ goes over Angle on 1/4 iMPACT Holy crap.. notice a trend? The young stars are being pushed. :-O Also, noone is making you watch. Dixie Carter doesn't have a gun to your head saying "WATCH OR I'LL BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT!", it's your choice to watch every week. TNA can only "jerk you around" as long as you allow them to. Your comment about not watiching is serisously old. I watch becasue I like aspects of TNA and I dont have to agree with everything to freakin watch it. Not all of us are like you. Last nite... Wolfe gets buried by pope after going toe to toe with ANGLE? The Nasty boys...nuff said Morgan/ hernandez get 3 minutes of wrestling time while Val venis gets 15 minutes Do you see a trend? |
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 5, 2010 23:24:55 GMT -5
Wolfe didn't get buried at all. You have to start an angle somewhere, and it's a good way to get an angle going with Wolfe saying it was a fast count and leading to a match. Yes, because it would've been realistic had Raven & Stevie who are nothing more than jobbers went 10 minutes with two of the biggest guys in TNA.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 5, 2010 23:27:03 GMT -5
TNA's Monday show lacked continuity. It was confusing and made no sense. It was just a show to parade around guys from another generation, Val, Nastys, Orlando Jordan, Waltman and Hall. We dont need these people and I am a big Val mark.
Also, I dont want to see crapfrom 10 years ago. I dont want to see rehased WCW plots. WCW rebooted the nWo how many times? Even WWE tried. Its over. nWo is over. Just stop already.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 5, 2010 23:29:56 GMT -5
TNA's Monday show lacked continuity. It was confusing and made no sense. It was just a show to parade around guys from another generation, Val, Nastys, Orlando Jordan, Waltman and Hall. We dont need these people and I am a big Val mark. Also, I dont want to see poop from 10 years ago. I dont want to see rehased WCW plots. WCW rebooted the nWo how many times? Even WWE tried. Its over. nWo is over. Just stop already. Thank you. I guess I'm not the only one that seen this! SG, Pope goes from talking to OJ to being in feude with Wolfe? So Wolfe was good enough to hang with Angle but not Pope? wtf...does that make any sense to you? |
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Post by King Silva on Jan 5, 2010 23:34:01 GMT -5
I agree with you that the ratings will surely dip back down the 1.0-1.2. 1.5 was not even that good and most likely will not be the rating for long.
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Post by ocecon on Jan 5, 2010 23:35:27 GMT -5
You know of all those matches I noticed a trend. AJ was getting the push. Joe was getting the push. Desmond was getting the push. Yet Aj and Joe have been with the company for years. Yes they are young stars, but they had multiple title reigns with every championship. I'm happy about Desmond, but seriously, there are so many stars that don't get a push that should. Jay Lethal is one of the greatest athletes today, yet he's jobbing out to old wrestlers making one time appearences. I barely even see his partner on t.v anymore. One thing TNA is doing in what my opinion is a good thing is what they are doing with MCMG. They wrestled good matches and lost, but it built up there credibility as tag team performers. Same with D'Angelo Dinero. I'm so happy that they aren't using him to job to people. This also goes to Hernandez and Homicide. At the beginning of the year, I barely saw them on t.v. Now Hernandez is in main event matches and Homicide is moving into a program with Jeff Hardy. One superstar who in my opinion should be pushed is Kiyoshi. I see all the talent in the world in him, yet he most nearly is exclusive to the webmatches. TNA isn't doing a terrible job at pushing the young lions of TNA. I just think they are gonna phase them out in favor of the old guys instead.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Jan 5, 2010 23:35:36 GMT -5
TNA's Monday show lacked continuity. It was confusing and made no sense. It was just a show to parade around guys from another generation, Val, Nastys, Orlando Jordan, Waltman and Hall. We dont need these people and I am a big Val mark. Also, I dont want to see poop from 10 years ago. I dont want to see rehased WCW plots. WCW rebooted the nWo how many times? Even WWE tried. Its over. nWo is over. Just stop already. Thank you. I guess I'm not the only one that seen this! SG, Pope goes from talking to OJ to being in feude with Wolfe? So Wolfe was good enough to hang with Angle but not Pope? wtf...does that make any sense to you? Well, if I am not wrong, Wolfe knew Angle. He knew everything he could do in a match, so that, and the fact that it ended with a roll up, may be the reasons for that to make sense. |
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Post by P@ul on Jan 5, 2010 23:37:52 GMT -5
We're on the same page, don't worry. Anybody who says that the Nasty Boyz being offered donuts and then trashing a lockerroom for no reason is a storyline that is going to hook me is a  ing idiot. Period. No debate. What burned me the most is we didn't see half of their champions. Where was the Global Champion? Whether or not EY draws ratings was irrelavent at that point. He has a ing Championship in your promotion and you can't get him on a 3 hour show! If he doesn't draw, get the belt on someone we can and put him on my screen. What's going to happen when they go back to 2 hours? And what about your World Tag Team Champions? Beer Money vs British Invasion would have been a great match, so why was it cut? I also don't like how they promoted matches at the top of the show and didn't follow through with them. If that's not the definition of being jerked around I don't know what is. I'll wait for Cross the Line's response. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 5, 2010 23:38:37 GMT -5
Thank you. I guess I'm not the only one that seen this! SG, Pope goes from talking to OJ to being in feude with Wolfe? So Wolfe was good enough to hang with Angle but not Pope? wtf...does that make any sense to you? Well, if I am not wrong, Wolfe knew Angle. He knew everything he could do in a match, so that, and the fact that it ended with a roll up, may be the reasons for that to make sense. Yup, which the referenced many times during the Angle/Wolfe story. |
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Post by deskjet on Jan 5, 2010 23:39:50 GMT -5
You know of all those matches I noticed a trend. AJ was getting the push. Joe was getting the push. Desmond was getting the push. Yet Aj and Joe have been with the company for years. Yes they are young stars, but they had multiple title reigns with every championship. I'm happy about Desmond, but seriously, there are so many stars that don't get a push that should. Jay Lethal is one of the greatest athletes today, yet he's jobbing out to old wrestlers making one time appearences. I barely even see his partner on t.v anymore. One thing TNA is doing in what my opinion is a good thing is what they are doing with MCMG. They wrestled good matches and lost, but it built up there credibility as tag team performers. Same with D'Angelo Dinero. I'm so happy that they aren't using him to job to people. This also goes to Hernandez and Homicide. At the beginning of the year, I barely saw them on t.v. Now Hernandez is in main event matches and Homicide is moving into a program with Jeff Hardy. One superstar who in my opinion should be pushed is Kiyoshi. I see all the talent in the world in him, yet he most nearly is exclusive to the webmatches. TNA isn't doing a terrible job at pushing the young lions of TNA. I just think they are gonna phase them out in favor of the old guys instead. Exactly, before last night they did a great job pushing the young talent. If last night was the change then is that what we can expect ..The nasty boys all over my tv set? No damn thanks |
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Post by PrideFcF on Jan 5, 2010 23:41:14 GMT -5
I still find it hard to buy into the whole "introductory show" excuse as to why the show was formatted so poorly.
Last night was indeed an introductory show. It was a chance to use Hogans debut as a way to showcase their young talent live on Monday. There was absolutely no excuse not to introduce the world to your top stars via actual matches, instead of promo nonsense. Their main focus was setting up a bunch of storylines for later, and showing new signings in a capacity that had nothing to do with wrestling.
I understand you need to give the viewer an excuse to tune in the following week, but you also have to give them a reason to give a crapabout your talent. Why should any new viewer who tuned in last night to see Hogan even care about the X-Division right now? Why should they care about Hernandez or Morgan? Why should they care about Pope or Wolfe? Should they care based on the horribly brief (and in the case of the X-Division, terribly sloppy) matches TNA decided to show them in? I mean come on.
This whole Hogan/NWO thing should be nothing but a cheap tool to get people to watch the rest of TNA. Hopefully they understand this and start building a strong show around this story line, because it's obvious the lasting power of a Hogan/NWO storyline isn't strong enough to carry them to 1.5 ratings and above for long.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 5, 2010 23:46:19 GMT -5
I still find it hard to buy into the whole "introductory show" excuse as to why the show was formatted so poorly. Last night was indeed an introductory show. It was a chance to use Hogans debut as a way to showcase their young talent live on Monday. There was absolutely no excuse not to introduce the world to your top stars via actual matches, instead of promo nonsense. Their main focus was setting up a bunch of storylines for later, and showing new signings in a capacity that had nothing to do with wrestling. I understand you need to give the viewer an excuse to tune in the following week, but you also have to give them a reason to give a poop about your talent. Why should any new viewer who tuned in last night to see Hogan even care about the X-Division right now? Why should they care about Hernandez or Morgan? Why should they care about Pope or Wolfe? Should they care based on the horribly brief (and in the case of the X-Division, terribly sloppy) matches TNA decided to show them in? I mean come on. This whole Hogan/NWO thing should be nothing but a cheap tool to get people to watch the rest of TNA. Hopefully they understand this and start building a strong show around this story line, because it's obvious the lasting power of a Hogan/NWO storyline isn't strong enough to carry them to 1.5 ratings and above for long. Well said and actually what I was just thinking about. Like I said, we'll see what happens next week but the way it was formatted was unecessary and totally contradicted what Hogan said he wanted to do, then again maybe that's the plan?,,,Nah, TNa's not that smart  |
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 6, 2010 0:18:28 GMT -5
The thing that bothered me is that TNA tried to do too much. Look at Raw. Started a story for the US title. Continued/ended the DX-Jericho feud. Continued the Kofi push/Orton legacy split. 2 hours, simple and they accomplished it. TNA was seriously a cluster . Exactly what many of us wrestling fans have been saying it was.... We got an Asylum match that accomplished nothing really. To top it off there was a DQ...Who the has a DQ in a cage match?? Then we got like an hour of footage of a limo driving to Orlando. Apparently Hogan stayed in Miami the night before so it took him forever to get to the arena...but his first words were that he spent all day in the pack with the wrestlers??? Then we got 2 divas matches. Ok fine, 2 points for TNA Then we move to some nWo segment. Really? Like the nWo hasnt been done what is this the 5th time? I think in between we have like 100 more commercials and then get to see Ric Flair, Nasty Boys, Val Venis, Mick Foley, Beautiful People, Orlando Jordan do absolutely nothing...I mean seriously they accomplished nothing. Foley later on went to get beat up but by that point nobody was watching. I think we had some more commercials and then the main event. Yes we're pushing the young stars...but wait....Just how young is AJ Styles?? Now he's probably my favorite TNA wrestler but what about guys like Jay Lethal, Chris Daniels, Kaz?? Why do they say "we're gonna push young stars" and then only get to see Styles and Joe succeed? TNA has the pieces but they have 0 leadership. Dixie Carter needs to stay in the back entertaining the boys. If Monday was any idea as to w hats gonna happen, Hogan doesnt need to be anywhere near being in charge. The best thing TNA has going for them right now is Eric Bischoff. If used properly TNA MIGHT...MIGHT be able to salvage something out of this. If TNA continues to do Impact in the same fashion as last night, they're ratings will bomb big time. |
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Post by bigbriancman16 on Jan 6, 2010 2:48:11 GMT -5
Why is it that everyone complains when the NWO comes back, but everyone's cool with DX coming back every other year. But WAIT!! This time they have a midget. God I'm already hooked.
TNA succeeded in what they wanted to do last night. They showed off some of their great young stars (knockouts tag match, Wolfe v Pope, Asylum match, and AJ v Angle) while still making the show relevant to fans that have never watched TNA with guys like Venis, Flair, and NWO. They proved that they put on better matches than WWE. This may have been the 500th time that we've seen AJ v Angle, but at least they actually put on compelling matches every time. I get sick and tired of DX vs JeriShow, Kofi v Orton. These matches have been overdone, and they aren't getting any more interesting.
And if you're going to complain about Pope beating Wolfe with a rollup, you might as well complain about Sheamus beating Cena. Sure, Wolfe was going toe to toe with Angle just last month, but last time I checked, Cena was beating Orton, Big Show, Jericho, and DX just weeks before losing to Sheamus.
And there are tons of great storylines coming up. I'm not going to include the Nasty Boys, because I agree with you there, no sense for that match.
But we have:
Stings return
Jarrett's frustration with Hogan
Jeff Hardy returning
NWO beating the crap out of everyone
AJ v Angle
It wasn't an amazing hook at the end of the show, but I'll take watching a few fresh matches to seeing the recycled crap the WWE keeps feeding out any day.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jan 6, 2010 10:02:25 GMT -5
Wolfe didn't get buried at all. You have to start an angle somewhere, and it's a good way to get an angle going with Wolfe saying it was a fast count and leading to a match. Yes, because it would've been realistic had Raven & Stevie who are nothing more than jobbers went 10 minutes with two of the biggest guys in TNA. Raven jobbing in TNA is sad to me. What was it, 04' When he finally won the NWA-TNA world title? The guy is a wrestling god mentally ( minus the drugs). I really think they need to drop Richards, and move Raven to the writting board. He has had some great, crazy, elabrit storylines in the past. I am just tired of seeing TNA completely bury one of my wrestling idols. |
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Post by BlackSwagger on Jan 6, 2010 10:48:38 GMT -5
Why is it that everyone complains when the NWO comes back, but everyone's cool with DX coming back every other year. But WAIT!! This time they have a midget. God I'm already hooked.TNA succeeded in what they wanted to do last night. They showed off some of their great young stars (knockouts tag match, Wolfe v Pope, Asylum match, and AJ v Angle) while still making the show relevant to fans that have never watched TNA with guys like Venis, Flair, and NWO. They proved that they put on better matches than WWE. This may have been the 500th time that we've seen AJ v Angle, but at least they actually put on compelling matches every time. I get sick and tired of DX vs JeriShow, Kofi v Orton. These matches have been overdone, and they aren't getting any more interesting. And if you're going to complain about Pope beating Wolfe with a rollup, you might as well complain about Sheamus beating Cena. Sure, Wolfe was going toe to toe with Angle just last month, but last time I checked, Cena was beating Orton, Big Show, Jericho, and DX just weeks before losing to Sheamus. And there are tons of great storylines coming up. I'm not going to include the Nasty Boys, because I agree with you there, no sense for that match. But we have: Stings return Jarrett's frustration with Hogan Jeff Hardy returning NWO beating the crap out of everyone AJ v Angle It wasn't an amazing hook at the end of the show, but I'll take watching a few fresh matches to seeing the recycled crap the WWE keeps feeding out any day. Actually, nobody really likes DX in the IWC. Everyone is tired of the rehashing of DX except general fans and kids. The difference between DX and NWO? The two members of DX are two of the top wrestlers in the business. The NWO has a washed up Hall and Waltman, and a past his prime Nash. The Sting return is nothing but the rehashing of Sting's repackaging in the 90's. OMG Sting is in the rafters all emo again! Glad to see Dub-J back. I missed him. People still aren't sure if Hardy is back for good, or just until his drug charges. See first paragraph about the NWO. AJ v Angle was great for the first 20 minutes, then it became a long winded spot and false finish fest. Besides, AJ is not young new TNA talent, and we're probably going to have the same match at Genesis. Monday was FUBAR for TNA. With that parade of stars, advertising during WWE shows, and the return of Hogan, they only mustered a few more points in the ratings. Not good. |
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