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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 24, 2010 22:50:40 GMT -5
I'm sure it's not just me getting annoyed and fed up with most of the people posting here, but this should be for members here that don't know how wrestling works AT all and complain about every little detail about the show. I think we should help them out. Help me add moreWarningPlease don't feed the trolls
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Post by slappy on Jan 24, 2010 23:01:07 GMT -5
Seems like you just want to find an excuse to yell at those who dislike something TNA does.
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Post by Bret_Hart_Mark™ on Jan 24, 2010 23:11:26 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with getting the "new" wrestler a win, but in the case of the Daniels/Morley feud TNA should not have let Morley win clean. That's the biggest complaint I see about that match. Let him beat a guy who wasn't just in a ppv main event title match clean. But if he's gonna beat Daniels it should have been by D.Q, or some other means.
Hell look at the Anderson/Abyss match. Anderson won, but he used brass knuckles and no one had a problem with that.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 24, 2010 23:22:08 GMT -5
How dare you! How dare you come in here and use this logic! HOW DARE YOU!?!
I agree with you tbh.
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Post by Jimmy on Jan 24, 2010 23:36:06 GMT -5
My problem is the level of talent who goes over. Orlando Jordan sucks.
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Post by j2dacversion3 on Jan 25, 2010 0:26:58 GMT -5
My problem is the level of talent who goes over. Orlando Jordan sucks. Bingo. Orlando Jordan shouldn't go over ANYONE, like I've said... he's Virgil 2.0.... just gay.
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Post by Silent Jay on Jan 25, 2010 6:00:43 GMT -5
My problem is the level of talent who goes over. Orlando Jordan sucks. Bingo. Orlando Jordan shouldn't go over ANYONE, like I've said... he's Virgil 2.0.... just gay. And black!!! What if someone can hold him being gay against him why can't I use the fact he's black to justify not pushing him it's the same damn thing. OJ HAS talent, people just want to ignore it so they can bitch about TNA a little more.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 25, 2010 6:26:13 GMT -5
Bingo. Orlando Jordan shouldn't go over ANYONE, like I've said... he's Virgil 2.0.... just gay. And black!!! What if someone can hold him being gay against him why can't I use the fact he's black to justify not pushing him it's the same damn thing. OJ HAS talent, people just want to ignore it so they can bitch about TNA a little more. Care to respond to this thread posted by one of your own TNA supporters? wfigs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tna&action=display&thread=163486Oh, wait...let me guess, it's just an online news source that cant be trusted and we should trust fans like yourself and take the wait and see approach
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Post by deskjet on Jan 25, 2010 6:30:04 GMT -5
I'm sure it's not just me getting annoyed and fed up with most of the people posting here, but this should be for members here that don't know how wrestling works AT all and complain about every little detail about the show. I think we should help them out. Help me add moreWarningPlease don't feed the trolls It's called confusing the fans. Don't push a guy one week then depush him the next. that's not how you build a storyline or a character and TNA still has yet to figure that out/
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Post by Silent Jay on Jan 25, 2010 6:44:04 GMT -5
And black!!! What if someone can hold him being gay against him why can't I use the fact he's black to justify not pushing him it's the same damn thing. OJ HAS talent, people just want to ignore it so they can bitch about TNA a little more. Care to respond to this thread posted by one of your own TNA supporters? wfigs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tna&action=display&thread=163486Oh, wait...let me guess, it's just an online news source that cant be trusted and we should trust fans like yourself and take the wait and see approach What the hell does that have to do with OJ having talent or not? Also this is the same site that said Punk had heat with WWE....right before he won the WWE title. News sites see things and make up half truths or educated guesses. Also this shows the whole thing WAS planned in advance just took place on a different date, so apparently they already know where this is going to go, which proves my point.
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Post by Silent Jay on Jan 25, 2010 6:45:35 GMT -5
I'm sure it's not just me getting annoyed and fed up with most of the people posting here, but this should be for members here that don't know how wrestling works AT all and complain about every little detail about the show. I think we should help them out. Help me add moreWarningPlease don't feed the trolls It's called confusing the fans. Don't push a guy one week then depush him the next. that's not how you build a storyline or a character and TNA still has yet to figure that out/ Because losing ONE match is a depush? So if Edge and Undertaker were to feud in WWE every match should be a draw so that neither of them get depushed
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Post by deskjet on Jan 25, 2010 7:42:32 GMT -5
It has to do with the topic of the thread Sjay, which indirectly goes with the bookers choice to put OJ over pope. I love how guys like you dismiss online reports when they dont mesh up with what you perceive to be a reality. You clearly have yet to understand the history of TNA's booking. It's always been up and down. We are getting the same thing, which is the point. Fans dont want the same thing. We want something different and justifiably so, becasue most of us have been ranting about this stuff for the last 7 years while you've hid away and said nothing. Now the product is where YOU like it so you want to come on and defend it and bash the people that have had to put up with this stuff for years.
So they had the screwjob planned? So why couldnt they get there shyt together to do it on the night they were supposed to do it? That's called miss manaegement. Just like pushing pope one week then wolfe, then having them feud with another wrestler, then depushing them, then turning guys heel for no apparent reason. Can you not see the disorder? After years of the same thing am i supposed to all of a sudden now believe that they are gonna make sense out of this disorder just becasue you have some kinda magic ball to see into the future? Mself, and most wrestling fans base there perception on what they see not what they think is gonna happen. If I;ve repeatedly seen older talent getting pushed over home talent then what am i to take from that? That this is all a work? That these guys, even though, they havent shown it yet, know what the hell they are doing? Why shouldn't I have some skepticism?
Perosnally, i dont mind some of the older talent going over the younger talent once in a while becasue I know how that type of thing works, but don't crucify me for having my doubts based off of years of experience that would lead me to believe the contrary. And that's your problem. You wanna blow in here and defend this crap without any regard to what the fans on this board have gone through. If you've gone through it too then at least act like it.
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Post by Silent Jay on Jan 25, 2010 8:20:45 GMT -5
It has to do with the topic of the thread Sjay, which indirectly goes with the bookers choice to put OJ over pope. I love how guys like you dismiss online reports when they dont mesh up with what you perceive to be a reality. You clearly have yet to understand the history of TNA's booking. It's always been up and down. We are getting the same thing, which is the point. Fans dont want the same thing. We want something different and justifiably so, becasue most of us have been ranting about this stuff for the last 7 years while you've hid away and said nothing. Now the product is where YOU like it so you want to come on and defend it and bash the people that have had to put up with this stuff for years. So they had the screwjob planned? So why couldnt they get there shyt together to do it on the night they were supposed to do it? That's called miss manaegement. Just like pushing pope one week then wolfe, then having them feud with another wrestler, then depushing them, then turning guys heel for no apparent reason. Can you not see the disorder? After years of the same thing am i supposed to all of a sudden now believe that they are gonna make sense out of this disorder just becasue you have some kinda magic ball to see into the future? Mself, and most wrestling fans base there perception on what they see not what they think is gonna happen. If I;ve repeatedly seen older talent getting pushed over home talent then what am i to take from that? That this is all a work? That these guys, even though, they havent shown it yet, know what the hell they are doing? Why shouldn't I have some skepticism? Perosnally, i dont mind some of the older talent going over the younger talent once in a while becasue I know how that type of thing works, but don't crucify me for having my doubts based off of years of experience that would lead me to believe the contrary. And that's your problem. You wanna blow in here and defend this crap without any regard to what the fans on this board have gone through. If you've gone through it too then at least act like it. I have gone through it too, which is why I am enjoying this change. Daniels is not younger talent, he's the same age as Morely. OJ is not older talent he is still young. My point in this thread was someone used OJ being gay (though he's bi) as a reason not to like him, which is ignorant. If you're running a company and see something you had planned for a certain night will work better in the long run by doing it on a different night then why not push it back? You say it's the same stuff as always when it's really not. AJ is being pushed to the moon, and unlike other times it seems to be a push that will last, hell they joined him with Flair, which will only help him because AJ can not speak. A lot of younger talent is being featured in one way or another, from Joe to Anderson to Abyss, old guys are not the main focus of the show as people like to claim, yes some former WWE guys are there but who cares? Don't you want to see a company you have followed for years expand? Then they need names that people have seen before to do so. If they only had "home grown" talent then they would be an indy fed with TV and have rating equaling a .2 every week.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 25, 2010 17:39:03 GMT -5
It has to do with the topic of the thread Sjay, which indirectly goes with the bookers choice to put OJ over pope. I love how guys like you dismiss online reports when they dont mesh up with what you perceive to be a reality. You clearly have yet to understand the history of TNA's booking. It's always been up and down. We are getting the same thing, which is the point. Fans dont want the same thing. We want something different and justifiably so, becasue most of us have been ranting about this stuff for the last 7 years while you've hid away and said nothing. Now the product is where YOU like it so you want to come on and defend it and bash the people that have had to put up with this stuff for years. So they had the screwjob planned? So why couldnt they get there shyt together to do it on the night they were supposed to do it? That's called miss manaegement. Just like pushing pope one week then wolfe, then having them feud with another wrestler, then depushing them, then turning guys heel for no apparent reason. Can you not see the disorder? After years of the same thing am i supposed to all of a sudden now believe that they are gonna make sense out of this disorder just becasue you have some kinda magic ball to see into the future? Mself, and most wrestling fans base there perception on what they see not what they think is gonna happen. If I;ve repeatedly seen older talent getting pushed over home talent then what am i to take from that? That this is all a work? That these guys, even though, they havent shown it yet, know what the hell they are doing? Why shouldn't I have some skepticism? Perosnally, i dont mind some of the older talent going over the younger talent once in a while becasue I know how that type of thing works, but don't crucify me for having my doubts based off of years of experience that would lead me to believe the contrary. And that's your problem. You wanna blow in here and defend this crap without any regard to what the fans on this board have gone through. If you've gone through it too then at least act like it. I have gone through it too, which is why I am enjoying this change. Daniels is not younger talent, he's the same age as Morely. OJ is not older talent he is still young. My point in this thread was someone used OJ being gay (though he's bi) as a reason not to like him, which is ignorant. If you're running a company and see something you had planned for a certain night will work better in the long run by doing it on a different night then why not push it back? You say it's the same stuff as always when it's really not. AJ is being pushed to the moon, and unlike other times it seems to be a push that will last, hell they joined him with Flair, which will only help him because AJ can not speak. A lot of younger talent is being featured in one way or another, from Joe to Anderson to Abyss, old guys are not the main focus of the show as people like to claim, yes some former WWE guys are there but who cares? Don't you want to see a company you have followed for years expand? Then they need names that people have seen before to do so. If they only had "home grown" talent then they would be an indy fed with TV and have rating equaling a .2 every week. I think you just like to hear yourself talk. ANd your reponse comment was just as ignorant and unecessary, but that's another topic. Anyway, You honestly think that that screwjob ending was a good idea? in light of everything you've "claimed" to have watched in TNA? And AJ was ALREADY being pushed to the moon...he's the gawd damn World champion for petes sake...how much furhter does he need to go? Oh wait, let's turn him heel for no apparent reason so he can get the rub off of flair? Well why the hell not just keep him a face then. Since you seem to be ok with these wrestlers coming in and making stars out of no names like Aj, daniels, why was it necessary to turn him heel? So he has a mouthpiece? Flair coulda done that as a face and preserved AJ as face as well as the storylines with Sting leading up to AJ's title victory. But do Bischoof and hogan try to look at that? Hell no! By their own admission they hadnt seen much of TNA in the past few years, hell they've dismissed them! SO now we got two guys clueless about previous storylines who are gonna try to make their own! you know how that comes across on tv? A clusterfrick...and that's the same shyt we've been seeing from TNA! And like I've said a million times before, TNA has been down this road before with bringing in older WWE guys and trying to build up TNA, it rarely happens, and we're seeing the same trend here. My point of contention with you in this thread and others is the fact that you want to keep defending this crap, which is your perrogative. But if your gonna slam opinions, expect to be slammed right back.
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Post by Silent Jay on Jan 25, 2010 23:39:19 GMT -5
I have gone through it too, which is why I am enjoying this change. Daniels is not younger talent, he's the same age as Morely. OJ is not older talent he is still young. My point in this thread was someone used OJ being gay (though he's bi) as a reason not to like him, which is ignorant. If you're running a company and see something you had planned for a certain night will work better in the long run by doing it on a different night then why not push it back? You say it's the same stuff as always when it's really not. AJ is being pushed to the moon, and unlike other times it seems to be a push that will last, hell they joined him with Flair, which will only help him because AJ can not speak. A lot of younger talent is being featured in one way or another, from Joe to Anderson to Abyss, old guys are not the main focus of the show as people like to claim, yes some former WWE guys are there but who cares? Don't you want to see a company you have followed for years expand? Then they need names that people have seen before to do so. If they only had "home grown" talent then they would be an indy fed with TV and have rating equaling a .2 every week. I think you just like to hear yourself talk. ANd your reponse comment was just as ignorant and unecessary, but that's another topic. Anyway, You honestly think that that screwjob ending was a good idea? in light of everything you've "claimed" to have watched in TNA? And AJ was ALREADY being pushed to the moon...he's the gawd damn World champion for petes sake...how much furhter does he need to go? Oh wait, let's turn him heel for no apparent reason so he can get the rub off of flair? Well why the hell not just keep him a face then. Since you seem to be ok with these wrestlers coming in and making stars out of no names like Aj, daniels, why was it necessary to turn him heel? So he has a mouthpiece? Flair coulda done that as a face and preserved AJ as face as well as the storylines with Sting leading up to AJ's title victory. But do Bischoof and hogan try to look at that? Hell no! By their own admission they hadnt seen much of TNA in the past few years, hell they've dismissed them! SO now we got two guys clueless about previous storylines who are gonna try to make their own! you know how that comes across on tv? A clusterfrick...and that's the same shyt we've been seeing from TNA! And like I've said a million times before, TNA has been down this road before with bringing in older WWE guys and trying to build up TNA, it rarely happens, and we're seeing the same trend here. My point of contention with you in this thread and others is the fact that you want to keep defending this crap, which is your perrogative. But if your gonna slam opinions, expect to be slammed right back. I agree let's fire Angle, Rhino, Team 3D, Nash, Hogan, OJ, Morely, Taz, Flair, Bischoff, Hall. Waltman, Anderson, Pope, Kendrick, Nasties, Morgan, Tara, Lashley, Raven, Heme, Stevie, Jarrett, Steiner, Sting and Tomko, since they were all established everywhere. Let's have every PPV main event be AJ and Daniels? IF TNA had done that from the beginning how would anyone be established? You can't establish a unknown talent by having them beat another unknown talent. AJ is a great wrestler, and was being pushed before the Hogan regime, BUT he was missing that it factor, Flair gives that to him, who else to have better tutelage of? AJ has been a face since what 2005 or 2006? That's four years of doing the same gimmick why not change it up? and now he has a reason. Flair works much better as a heel so why not bring him in as that? Also after this coming weeks shows I'm sure you will see that some of the people you thought were being OMGZ buried are actually not. I have watched TNA since the beginning, and just because I wasn't in this board discussing things it was because I discussed them on another board and really only came on here to talk about non wrestling stuff and promote my own shows. Now that the old board I was on is no longer around I discuss wrestling more on here. I also don't discuss WWE does that mean I never followed them?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2010 23:53:19 GMT -5
I think you just like to hear yourself talk. ANd your reponse comment was just as ignorant and unecessary, but that's another topic. Anyway, You honestly think that that screwjob ending was a good idea? in light of everything you've "claimed" to have watched in TNA? And AJ was ALREADY being pushed to the moon...he's the gawd damn World champion for petes sake...how much furhter does he need to go? Oh wait, let's turn him heel for no apparent reason so he can get the rub off of flair? Well why the hell not just keep him a face then. Since you seem to be ok with these wrestlers coming in and making stars out of no names like Aj, daniels, why was it necessary to turn him heel? So he has a mouthpiece? Flair coulda done that as a face and preserved AJ as face as well as the storylines with Sting leading up to AJ's title victory. But do Bischoof and hogan try to look at that? Hell no! By their own admission they hadnt seen much of TNA in the past few years, hell they've dismissed them! SO now we got two guys clueless about previous storylines who are gonna try to make their own! you know how that comes across on tv? A clusterfrick...and that's the same shyt we've been seeing from TNA! And like I've said a million times before, TNA has been down this road before with bringing in older WWE guys and trying to build up TNA, it rarely happens, and we're seeing the same trend here. My point of contention with you in this thread and others is the fact that you want to keep defending this crap, which is your perrogative. But if your gonna slam opinions, expect to be slammed right back. I agree let's fire Angle, Rhino, Team 3D, Nash, Hogan, OJ, Morely, Taz, Flair, Bischoff, Hall. Waltman, Anderson, Pope, Kendrick, Nasties, Morgan, Tara, Lashley, Raven, Heme, Stevie, Jarrett, Steiner, Sting and Tomko, since they were all established everywhere. Let's have every PPV main event be AJ and Daniels? IF TNA had done that from the beginning how would anyone be established? You can't establish a unknown talent by having them beat another unknown talent. AJ is a great wrestler, and was being pushed before the Hogan regime, BUT he was missing that it factor, Flair gives that to him, who else to have better tutelage of? AJ has been a face since what 2005 or 2006? That's four years of doing the same gimmick why not change it up? and now he has a reason. Flair works much better as a heel so why not bring him in as that? Also after this coming weeks shows I'm sure you will see that some of the people you thought were being OMGZ buried are actually not. I have watched TNA since the beginning, and just because I wasn't in this board discussing things it was because I discussed them on another board and really only came on here to talk about non wrestling stuff and promote my own shows. Now that the old board I was on is no longer around I discuss wrestling more on here. I also don't discuss WWE does that mean I never followed them? Thank you, if you never had any of the 'established' wrestlers 'job' to the younger wrestlers then theoretically you wouldn't ever get any more home grown established wrestlers to begin with.
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Post by Silent Jay on Jan 26, 2010 0:24:52 GMT -5
I agree let's fire Angle, Rhino, Team 3D, Nash, Hogan, OJ, Morely, Taz, Flair, Bischoff, Hall. Waltman, Anderson, Pope, Kendrick, Nasties, Morgan, Tara, Lashley, Raven, Heme, Stevie, Jarrett, Steiner, Sting and Tomko, since they were all established everywhere. Let's have every PPV main event be AJ and Daniels? IF TNA had done that from the beginning how would anyone be established? You can't establish a unknown talent by having them beat another unknown talent. AJ is a great wrestler, and was being pushed before the Hogan regime, BUT he was missing that it factor, Flair gives that to him, who else to have better tutelage of? AJ has been a face since what 2005 or 2006? That's four years of doing the same gimmick why not change it up? and now he has a reason. Flair works much better as a heel so why not bring him in as that? Also after this coming weeks shows I'm sure you will see that some of the people you thought were being OMGZ buried are actually not. I have watched TNA since the beginning, and just because I wasn't in this board discussing things it was because I discussed them on another board and really only came on here to talk about non wrestling stuff and promote my own shows. Now that the old board I was on is no longer around I discuss wrestling more on here. I also don't discuss WWE does that mean I never followed them? Thank you, if you never had any of the 'established' wrestlers 'job' to the younger wrestlers then theoretically you wouldn't ever get any more home grown established wrestlers to begin with. Glad someone understands. Hogan got over when he beat an established Iron Shiek, Austin got over when he beat and established Bret Hart, and those guys got over by beating other established talent so on and so on.
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Post by No Brokeback on Jan 26, 2010 0:47:43 GMT -5
Thank you, if you never had any of the 'established' wrestlers 'job' to the younger wrestlers then theoretically you wouldn't ever get any more home grown established wrestlers to begin with. Glad someone understands. Hogan got over when he beat an established Iron Shiek, Austin got over when he beat and established Bret Hart, and those guys got over by beating other established talent so on and so on. Also- 1,2,3 Kid got over for beating Scott Hall in a shocking roll up virctory. Without that, you'd have to wonder if Syxx-Pac would have been around the wrestling world a year or two later.
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Post by Silent Jay on Jan 26, 2010 1:12:29 GMT -5
Glad someone understands. Hogan got over when he beat an established Iron Shiek, Austin got over when he beat and established Bret Hart, and those guys got over by beating other established talent so on and so on. Also- 1,2,3 Kid got over for beating Scott Hall in a shocking roll up virctory. Without that, you'd have to wonder if Syxx-Pac would have been around the wrestling world a year or two later. That got BOTH of them over, see even when not going over you can still be put over. Also here is something that bugs the living out of me, there is a HUGE difference between jobbing and not going over. None of the TNA home grown talent have jobbed to any of the former WWE guys, jobbing is a squash match, no offense and made to look like shit. Putting someone over is when it's a competitive match where you don't win, and can get that heat back later.
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Post by imdielawn on Jan 26, 2010 11:56:33 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with getting the "new" wrestler a win, but in the case of the Daniels/Morley feud TNA should not have let Morley win clean. That's the biggest complaint I see about that match. Let him beat a guy who wasn't just in a ppv main event title match clean. But if he's gonna beat Daniels it should have been by D.Q, or some other means. Hell look at the Anderson/Abyss match. Anderson won, but he used brass knuckles and no one had a problem with that. I see your point with the Daniels/Morley match about Morley going over cleanly. The problem with that situation is that Daniels was the heel and Morley was the face going into the feud. It would have been smarter for TNA to have pushed all of Hogan's guys as heel because they are coming into the company trying take over. If they are trying to get both over, Daniels should have gotten the DQ thus keeping Daniels heel (over) and Morley the win (over).
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