Brankind
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Post by Brankind on Feb 12, 2010 10:46:44 GMT -5
Since the Monday Night Wars everyone as fought everyone ten times on TV for ratings over so the idea of a HUGE match on a PPV is gone. The Wrestlemania's of yesterday had that big match feel you do not find today. Hulk Hogan and Andre The Giant did not fight on TV 15 times before WM 3, they just cut promos. The Wrestlemanis of today , in fact all PPVs of today, are lacking that special feel that they used to. Most of the matches have been done before and you know will be done again on RAW with a better ending so what is the point of ordering a PPV?
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Post by Noza on Feb 12, 2010 11:00:47 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 17 was a great event, but someday it will probably be topped. I really do hate your threads, though. There always generally very annoying.
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leafs911
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Post by leafs911 on Feb 12, 2010 12:10:22 GMT -5
why is no one talking about Wrestlemania 18. This Wrestlemania was pretty solid as well. They had Hogan/Rock, Hall/Austin, Taker/Flair, HHH/jericho, all good matches. Although they let big nose go on last, when really the crowd clearly came to see Hogan/Rock.
17,18,19 - all great wrestlemanias, with WM 17 taking the cake. Clearly, WWE had hits its peak.
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Post by ericbischoff on Feb 12, 2010 13:08:23 GMT -5
I'd agree with you. WrestleMania 17 is best WrestleMania as far, and ever will be.
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Post by hbkmattelfan on Feb 12, 2010 13:56:20 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 17 bores me to death. I hate both card and roster at the time. Jericho vs Regal is really the only match from that event that i still watch to this day. Austin vs Rock at 19 was 3x better imo, and had a great finish.
Im sorry but any Wrestlemania that lacks Hulk Hogan, Shawn Michaels, and Bret Hart is a dud. I was never impressed with Rock or Austin. So overrated. On the stick they were both pretty solid but in the ring ,neither were Bret Hart of Shawn Michaels.
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Post by Squared² on Feb 12, 2010 17:35:58 GMT -5
very true man just another example that wrestling was 10 times better beofre then now
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Post by yankeesforever on Feb 12, 2010 17:55:36 GMT -5
I'd agree with you. WrestleMania 17 is best WrestleMania as far, and ever will be. And it just had a intangible feel to it also. It was just WrestleMania that everything went well.
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Post by yankeesforever on Feb 12, 2010 18:15:01 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 17 was a great event, but someday it will probably be topped. I really do hate your threads, though. There always generally very annoying. Why ? Why so miserable?
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austin209
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Post by austin209 on Feb 12, 2010 18:20:39 GMT -5
wm 17 is my all time favorite too
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Post by Zeke on Feb 12, 2010 18:23:35 GMT -5
Personaly I only remember four of WrestleMania 17's matches. Rock/Austin, HHH/Undertaker, McMahon/McMahon & the TLC. All the rest I don't remeber.
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Post by yankeesforever on Feb 12, 2010 18:26:08 GMT -5
Personaly I only remember four of WrestleMania 17's matches. Rock/Austin, HHH/Undertaker, McMahon/McMahon & the TLC. All the rest I don't remeber. Beniot and Angle . That hardcore match was pretty interesting
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Post by T1 on Feb 13, 2010 13:04:43 GMT -5
WM17 was a great event, but it shouldn't be regarded as the measuring stick for greatness in my opinion...
Austin vs. Rock is not AS great as people make it out to be. The buildup was excellent, although there was a fair share of crap mixed in (Debra as The Rock's manager? Was that neccessary?). It felt like a battle of the titans and the environment was electric, but I think that says more about the state of wrestling at the time rather than the quality of the match. The match itself was good, but not amazing. And the ending was incredibly over-the-top. I liked that Vince helped Austin, but 17 chair shots was too contrived and unncessary. Have Vince blast him with one chair shot, Stunner, the end.
I honestly liked the Rock/Austin match at WM19 better. Although both were on the tail ends of their careers, it felt more emotional and flowed better than their match two years earlier.
TLC was superb and probably the best of the tag team TLCs, but I wouldn't say it was THAT much better than the other ones. All of the matches between those three teams were excellent and although this was the best, it's not all that unique.
Benoit vs. Angle...very quality match but it seemed as if it were thrown together just because neither man had anything else to do on the card...and as someone said, they had better matches down the road.
Undertaker vs. Triple H is also sort of overrated. Good match, but it seems to have picked up its value over time...I don't remember anybody really praising this match back then...it's a good match but it's mostly remembered fondly for being the only REAL battle between two of the biggest stars in the company (KOTR '02 was utter crap).
I have no complaints with Shane vs. Vince. Very emotional and a fun street fight.
The Gimmick Battle Royale was a lot of fun, definitely worthy of being on it.
Aside from that, everything else was pretty much filler that one could see on any PPV.
WM17 was indeed a great event, but I feel as if WM19, WM22, and WM24 have all, at the very least, matched its quality, if not surpassed it. I definitely think WM24 was a better show.
The only REAL thing that makes WM17 stand out is that the crowd was red-hot. Wrestling as a whole was red-hot. Wrestling has not been as hot the last few 'Manias, but a lot of them have been excellent, most notably 24.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Feb 13, 2010 13:45:11 GMT -5
WM XIX was better I agree.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2010 14:46:11 GMT -5
My favorite is still WrestleMania 21. That time in wrestling was awsome. Angle/HBK, Orton/Taker and of course the RAW & SmackDown main events.
WrestleMania 17 in my opinion is not the "best evaaahhh". The matches were good, but I dont feel the need to call it the best ever. The Big Show/Kane/Raven match was good and entertaining, the TLC match was pretty good too and hell, even the Shane/Vince match was good. As for the rest of the card ... meh.
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Post by DTP. on Feb 14, 2010 15:43:57 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 19(XIX) is the most start studded IMO You had: Shawn Michaels Triple H Chris Jericho The Rock Stone Cold The Undertaker Vince McMahon Hulk Hogan Eddie Guerrero Kurt Angle Brock Lesnar and a young John Cena (though that may have been heat?) Cena didn't even appear on the actual 'Mania.
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Post by fautbox on Feb 14, 2010 16:14:49 GMT -5
You know, I am super partial to this show as well. It just had everything! The Main-Event was insanely good, the Trips/'Taker match was awesome. Angle/Benoit? Enough said. The entire card was excellent. I really love rewatching that show!
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leafs911
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Post by leafs911 on Feb 14, 2010 18:00:29 GMT -5
just finished watching WM 17 after a long time, and boy it was something else . . . . . it was the best EVER
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Post by thenotoriousrob on Feb 14, 2010 18:25:54 GMT -5
To all those who continue to believe WM 17 is the best wrestling event ever... go watch ECW Heatwave 1998 or Anarchy Rulz 1999 and your outlook will change severely.
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Post by vivalaraza1331 on Feb 14, 2010 22:04:40 GMT -5
Wrestlemania X7 will always be the essential WWE pay-per-view in my mind. I'm not sure how many of us grew up in the Attitude era but X7 was the culmination of the whole three year period. The two biggest stars of the time, Austin and Rock, main evented. Triple H and Undertaker, two equally big stars, had a phenomenal match. TLC II surpassed the original and cemented Edge, Christian, and the Hardys as the top young stars in the business. Add to that the Benoit-Angle clinic and the McMahon-McMahon match, that may very well feature the best storytelling of any match ever held at Wrestlemania, and you have a great show. Wrestlemania XX, 21, 22, and 23 were all very good-to-great shows but none had the overall importance that X7 did. And whoever mentioned that Wrestlemania XIX is a two match show with Angle-Lesnar and Jericho-Michaels is absolutely right. It's a very enjoyable show but not on the level of X7 or 21, 22, and 23.
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Post by extreme on Feb 14, 2010 22:16:07 GMT -5
17 was the best imo.
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