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Post by Keyboard Cat on Feb 23, 2010 17:15:32 GMT -5
I am the anti Christ!! Seriously why believe in a bed time story written by humans claiming to be the word of this so called "GOD" aaaaaaaaand let the immaturity begin folks. I'm not even going to bother with this thread. Some of you people are too foolish and closed minded to have an intelligent conversaion about religion. Badnewz, You should know by now that you will never see a thread about religion without someone trying to start fights. Hell same could be said about almost any discussion here. But sadly that's what happens on the internet.
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Post by Oskanowski on Feb 23, 2010 17:28:34 GMT -5
lol I feel sorry for people that can't have conversations without arguing..
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Post by Lego Customs! on Feb 23, 2010 17:33:46 GMT -5
Lol @ atheist thinking they're cool for being atheist. Yeah, that's exactly what we think. The truth is, we are a lot more realistic, we tend to look at facts rather than fiction.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 23, 2010 17:35:42 GMT -5
Lol @ atheist thinking they're cool for being atheist. Yeah, that's exactly what we think. The truth is, we are a lot more realistic, we tend to look at facts rather than fiction. Yet you ignore the fact that you can neither prove nor disprove god.
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Post by Markw on Feb 23, 2010 17:42:26 GMT -5
Yeah, that's exactly what we think. The truth is, we are a lot more realistic, we tend to look at facts rather than fiction. Yet you ignore the fact that you can neither prove nor disprove god. Well yeah but by the same token you can't disprove anything, there is however no real reliable evidence that any 'God' or higher power created the earth, nor is there any rational explanation for it other than 'Well we had to get here somehow and we can't have descended from apes'. At least not that I've heard.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 23, 2010 17:50:18 GMT -5
Yet you ignore the fact that you can neither prove nor disprove god. Well yeah but by the same token you can't disprove anything, there is however no real reliable evidence that any 'God' or higher power created the earth, nor is there any rational explanation for it other than 'Well we had to get here somehow and we can't have descended from apes'. At least not that I've heard. I don't dispute that. I take as much issue with those who claim they can prove God exists as I do with those who claim they can prove he doesn't.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Feb 23, 2010 17:53:00 GMT -5
Yet you ignore the fact that you can neither prove nor disprove god. Well yeah but by the same token you can't disprove anything, there is however no real reliable evidence that any 'God' or higher power created the earth, nor is there any rational explanation for it other than 'Well we had to get here somehow and we can't have descended from apes'. At least not that I've heard. That's all fine and well. But and giant explosion or a big puddle of ooze doesn't scream "rational" to me either. I'm fully aware that Christianity is a faith based religion, and have been criticized for it since becoming one. Heck, that's why I put that scripture in my sig. I just believe that if one studies that Bible and it's teaching and applies them to their lives acurately, they'll find that it's not so ridiculous. But it's not for everyone, and I accept that.
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Post by Markw on Feb 23, 2010 18:00:13 GMT -5
Well yeah but by the same token you can't disprove anything, there is however no real reliable evidence that any 'God' or higher power created the earth, nor is there any rational explanation for it other than 'Well we had to get here somehow and we can't have descended from apes'. At least not that I've heard. That's all fine and well. But and giant explosion or a big puddle of ooze doesn't scream "rational" to me either. I'm fully aware that Christianity is a faith based religion, and have been criticized for it since becoming one. Heck, that's why I put that scripture in my sig. I just believe that if one studies that Bible and it's teaching and applies them to their lives acurately, they'll find that it's not so ridiculous. But it's not for everyone, and I accept that. I have no problem with people living there lives by the teachings of the bible etc. that's great, but that doesn't mean god did create the world. I can't prove God doesn't exist, so I'm not going to try. But there is evidence that the universe began from a small point and is expanding (Big Bang). Your idea of people thinking we came from a big puddle of ooze makes me question whether you actually listen to both sides of the argument or just blindly believe one because you find it easier to comprehend that we where all created by a higher power rather than evolving over millions of years, not exactly fair that a lot of you are having ago at athiests for being stuburn and not listening to both points of view when you're coming out with dribble like that.
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Post by Lego Customs! on Feb 23, 2010 18:02:07 GMT -5
Well evolution is certainly real, there is plenty of evidence to support that. If you're one of those people who thinks that 'God' created all of us, then most likely you're from one of those states where cousins are allowed to marry.
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Post by Ben on Feb 23, 2010 18:03:26 GMT -5
Why would The Anit-Christ want to come to earth? I don't think we can declare an Anit-Christ because we don't know.
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Post by Markw on Feb 23, 2010 18:04:15 GMT -5
Well evolution is certainly real, there is plenty of evidence to support that. If you're one of those people who thinks that 'God' created all of us, then most likely you're from one of those states where cousins are allowed to marry. If you follow up a good point about evolution with that kind of comment then no one who is religious is going to listen to any of your argument.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Feb 23, 2010 18:07:38 GMT -5
That's all fine and well. But and giant explosion or a big puddle of ooze doesn't scream "rational" to me either. I'm fully aware that Christianity is a faith based religion, and have been criticized for it since becoming one. Heck, that's why I put that scripture in my sig. I just believe that if one studies that Bible and it's teaching and applies them to their lives acurately, they'll find that it's not so ridiculous. But it's not for everyone, and I accept that. I have no problem with people living there lives by the teachings of the bible etc. that's great, but that doesn't mean god did create the world. I can't prove God doesn't exist, so I'm not going to try. But there is evidence that the universe began from a small point and is expanding (Big Bang). Your idea of people thinking we came from a big puddle of ooze makes me question whether you actually listen to both sides of the argument or just blindly believe one because you find it easier to comprehend that we where all created by a higher power rather than evolving over millions of years, not exactly fair that a lot of you are having ago at athiests for being stuburn and not listening to both points of view when you're coming out with dribble like that. No sir, don't get it twisted my friend. I've actually been told by people that we've evolved from the puddle of ooze. To take what you said a step further in the other direction, one of my weekly Bible classes actually took a few months to go through a book that highlighted all of the world's most popular religions. We actually disected each one, read about it's focal points and beliefs, and how they compared to one another, and the Bible. So that ever so common misconception that us Christians are one sided when it comes to what we listen to is a tad ridiculous and as you previously stated, unfair.
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Post by Markw on Feb 23, 2010 18:12:59 GMT -5
I have no problem with people living there lives by the teachings of the bible etc. that's great, but that doesn't mean god did create the world. I can't prove God doesn't exist, so I'm not going to try. But there is evidence that the universe began from a small point and is expanding (Big Bang). Your idea of people thinking we came from a big puddle of ooze makes me question whether you actually listen to both sides of the argument or just blindly believe one because you find it easier to comprehend that we where all created by a higher power rather than evolving over millions of years, not exactly fair that a lot of you are having ago at athiests for being stuburn and not listening to both points of view when you're coming out with dribble like that. No sir, don't get it twisted my friend. I've actually been told by people that we've evolved from the puddle of ooze. To take what you said a step further in the other direction, one of my weekly Bible classes actually took a few months to go through a book that highlighted all of the world's most popular religions. We actually disected each one, read about it's focal points and beliefs, and how they compared to one another, and the Bible. So that ever so common misconception that us Christians are one sided when it comes to what we listen to is a tad ridiculous and as you previously stated, unfair. Yeah but none of us where trying to argue we come from a puddle of 'ooze' no one tried to argue that and I'm pretty sure no one on WF believes that, so to pick and choose what a few people believe, which no one on here is arguing, to support your argument is pretty pointless. And I wasn't saying all Christians are one sided but I found it pretty annoying that we where all being grouped together as not listening to all sides of the argument when it seemed to me a lot of religious people where doing the exact same thing.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Feb 23, 2010 18:24:16 GMT -5
No sir, don't get it twisted my friend. I've actually been told by people that we've evolved from the puddle of ooze. To take what you said a step further in the other direction, one of my weekly Bible classes actually took a few months to go through a book that highlighted all of the world's most popular religions. We actually disected each one, read about it's focal points and beliefs, and how they compared to one another, and the Bible. So that ever so common misconception that us Christians are one sided when it comes to what we listen to is a tad ridiculous and as you previously stated, unfair. Yeah but none of us where trying to argue we come from a puddle of 'ooze' no one tried to argue that and I'm pretty sure no one on WF believes that, so to pick and choose what a few people believe, which no one on here is arguing, to support your argument is pretty pointless. And I wasn't saying all Christians are one sided but I found it pretty annoying that we where all being grouped together as not listening to all sides of the argument when it seemed to me a lot of religious people where doing the exact same thing. I didn't didn't pick it out as a basis to my argument so much as I did to make a general statement. And why do my arguments have to be limited to just people on WF. I assure that I've had more religious conversations in person than I've had on this forum. So that's where I speak from the majority of the time. And as for the second part, you're preaching to the chior. I also don't think you should take this instance of "being grouped" so seriously here. The one person that said it made one comment and and didn't back it up with any sort of legit argument. Like I said before, I've been grouped together with Bible thumping maniac for years now so you're not telling me anything I'm not aware of.
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Post by Markw on Feb 23, 2010 18:31:46 GMT -5
Yeah but none of us where trying to argue we come from a puddle of 'ooze' no one tried to argue that and I'm pretty sure no one on WF believes that, so to pick and choose what a few people believe, which no one on here is arguing, to support your argument is pretty pointless. And I wasn't saying all Christians are one sided but I found it pretty annoying that we where all being grouped together as not listening to all sides of the argument when it seemed to me a lot of religious people where doing the exact same thing. I didn't didn't pick it out as a basis to my argument so much as I did to make a general statement. And why do my arguments have to be limited to just people on WF. I assure that I've had more religious conversations in person than I've had on this forum. So that's where I speak from the majority of the time. And as for the second part, you're preaching to the chior. I also don't think you should take this instance of "being grouped" so seriously here. The one person that said it made one comment and and didn't back it up with any sort of legit argument. Like I said before, I've been grouped together with Bible thumping maniac for years now so you're not telling me anything I'm not aware of. Well the way you put it sounded like you where trying to pass it off as a point of view held by some of us and was being used as a way to make the opinion with evidence sound irrational, which it's not. At least that is the way I interpreted it. Well it's still annoying when people think Atheists are trying to be 'Cool' or 'Refusing to accept both points of view' when it's just not true, I imagine it's also annoying being grouped to together by as you put it 'Bible thumping maniac(s)' it's not like it's any less frustrating when Religious people try to belittle what you believe than it is the other way round.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Feb 23, 2010 18:43:46 GMT -5
I didn't didn't pick it out as a basis to my argument so much as I did to make a general statement. And why do my arguments have to be limited to just people on WF. I assure that I've had more religious conversations in person than I've had on this forum. So that's where I speak from the majority of the time. And as for the second part, you're preaching to the chior. I also don't think you should take this instance of "being grouped" so seriously here. The one person that said it made one comment and and didn't back it up with any sort of legit argument. Like I said before, I've been grouped together with Bible thumping maniac for years now so you're not telling me anything I'm not aware of. Well the way you put it sounded like you where trying to pass it off as a point of view held by some of us and was being used as a way to make the opinion with evidence sound irrational, which it's not. At least that is the way I interpreted it. Well it's still annoying when people think Atheists are trying to be 'Cool' or 'Refusing to accept both points of view' when it's just not true, I imagine it's also annoying being grouped to together by as you put it 'Bible thumping maniac(s)' it's not like it's any less frustrating when Religious people try to belittle what you believe than it is the other way round. I totally understand that, which is why I'm not one who categorizes, or uses stereotypes. I'm sure it's just as frustrating on your end. But that doesn't mean it happens anymore on one side than the other. I wouldn't dare say that because I KNOW that some Christians are crazy, forceful people. Heck, I go to church with a couple. But my original point was that it's not really what you believe in man. It's how you apply it, and furthermore, wheather you apply it accurately to your life. That's something that alot of Christians, nor Athiests have a good understanding of. Take Islam. You have the "brothas" out here who sell bean pies on the street corner and abstain from consuming pork and say that they're muslim. Then they take a trip overseas and realize that people kill over the very religion that they half*** every day just to label themselves. It's all about application, and taking what you believe into it's proper context.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Feb 23, 2010 18:51:27 GMT -5
Yet you ignore the fact that you can neither prove nor disprove god. Well yeah but by the same token you can't disprove anything, there is however no real reliable evidence that any 'God' or higher power created the earth, nor is there any rational explanation for it other than 'Well we had to get here somehow and we can't have descended from apes'. At least not that I've heard. I believe in evolution and still believe in God. I like to think that there's something or someone out there, if for no other reason than to have a purpose for being here.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Feb 23, 2010 18:52:44 GMT -5
No, he was Lutheran and used Luther's anti Jewish propaganda for his works. That's kind of funny, because I'm a Lutheran. And a Jew. So you'd thing someone would've bothered to tell me of such propaganda.
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Post by c14rock on Feb 23, 2010 19:38:09 GMT -5
If there is/was an Anti-Christ, I don't think he'd be so obvious about it. Hitler and Obama are just too...Well...Obvious guesses.
Not that I believe in that or anything. Religion is just not for me.
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Post by Oskanowski on Feb 23, 2010 19:38:38 GMT -5
People.. really? You know everytime this topic comes up and you argue, it gets locked.... Why argue? No point in it. It's like me and Hulk arguing. It's pointless. lol Nobody is even answering my question.
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