|
Post by Joey Cush on Apr 1, 2010 23:05:59 GMT -5
Triple H is not the problem in WWE. He actually HAS talent. John Cena is the problem with WWE. He is being made to look absolutely unstoppable, even when somebody beats him, there is always an excuse. See - "Now that I look at it, I think John Cena lost his balance or his foot slipped, regardless... Sheamus is your WWE Champion". Lines like that add nothing to the product, and I bet thats what drove some fans out. Not the line, but the invincibility of John Cena. We like chracters we can relate to, like Stone Cold, like Ric Flair. You know? Human beings. Who can lose a match and say "You got me, and I'm taking my title back". No strings attached, Cena is constantly all about never giving up, and when it's all said and done, he always ALWAYS gets the last laugh. That's not because he's a face, it's just because he's John Cena. Triple H atleast has something special about him... he can wrestle a damn good match. John Cena gets beat down, kicks out of a few finishers and locks in that lame-ass STF. You should be crediting Cena's opponent when he has a good match, not him. And that is my opinion before anybody tries to say it's a fact. I'm going to say that for once, I agree with you. Cena needs to start losing matches and then people will hop off his dick. I dont mind his matches because every once in a while he does have a good match but you hit the nail on the head when you said he is invincible. You dont lose any credibility when you are hit with a finisher out of nowhere.
|
|
|
Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Apr 2, 2010 2:00:50 GMT -5
grow up? for having an opinion?... even The Rock commented on how funny it is during his speech that The Game still gives a poop about the belt. Look, The Game is a guy who rode the coat tails of HBK and then banged the boss' daughter to get a real push. It's like The Rock once said... Triple H, you say your The Game? well if that's the case then you need to go back to the drawing board because your Game absolutely Sucks! No. Triple H EARNED his position at the top. He busted his ass, he dedicated his life to clawing his way back from the top. His first WrestleMania appearance, what happened? He got embarrassed by Warrior. Got one move in. A Pedigree, and Warrior got right back up, did the Gorilla Press, Splash, and the match was over. Sheamus' first WM? He came within a eyelash of beating a 13 time Champion, one of the best to ever lace up a pair of boots. Austin, Rock, Cena? All winners at their first WM. But not Hunter. I will bring up what JR said 7 years ago about Hunter. He said that if everyone else in the locker room would spend even half the time watching footage of himself and video of older wrestling like Triple H does, they would see their game - no pun intended - improve immensely. And as for your "riding HBK's coattails" comment. Bulls**t. HBK won the title, and really started getting his push, in 1996. Triple H did not ride coattails. The very same year that HBK left for back surgery and time off, Triple H got the torch passed to him, in 1998. Face facts. Triple H busted his ass from that point on to earn his position. He would be in the same spot, Stephanie or no Stephanie, because that's what happens when you work your ass off. You get rewarded. Triple H has been for his tremendous work ethic.
|
|
|
Post by slappy on Apr 2, 2010 2:16:11 GMT -5
Who is Panda Energy merging with? I meant Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Eric Bischoff and Vince Russo. I wouldn't say Bischoff or Nash are hurting the product at all. I wish Bischoff had more input and could just take full control of booking or at least have him and Nash co-bookers. I could take that and watch something like that.
|
|
|
Post by AdamBomb on Apr 2, 2010 2:46:53 GMT -5
grow up? for having an opinion?... even The Rock commented on how funny it is during his speech that The Game still gives a poop about the belt. Look, The Game is a guy who rode the coat tails of HBK and then banged the boss' daughter to get a real push. It's like The Rock once said... Triple H, you say your The Game? well if that's the case then you need to go back to the drawing board because your Game absolutely Sucks! No. Triple H EARNED his position at the top. He busted his ass, he dedicated his life to clawing his way back from the top. His first WrestleMania appearance, what happened? He got embarrassed by Warrior. Got one move in. A Pedigree, and Warrior got right back up, did the Gorilla Press, Splash, and the match was over. Sheamus' first WM? He came within a eyelash of beating a 13 time Champion, one of the best to ever lace up a pair of boots. Austin, Rock, Cena? All winners at their first WM. But not Hunter. I will bring up what JR said 7 years ago about Hunter. He said that if everyone else in the locker room would spend even half the time watching footage and video of older wrestling like Triple H does, they would see their game - no pun intended - improve immensely. And as for your "riding HBK's coattails" comment. Bulls**t. HBK won the title, and really started getting his push, in 1996. Triple H did not ride coattails. The very same year that HBK left for back surgery and time off, Triple H got the torch passed to him, in 1998. Face facts. Triple H busted his ass from that point on to earn his position. He would be in the same spot, Stephanie or no Stephanie, because that's what happens when you work your ass off. You get rewarded. Triple H has been for his tremendous work ethic. If this was real life, I'd give you a standing ovation. THANK YOU for posting that.
|
|
|
Post by jfinnomore on Apr 2, 2010 4:41:03 GMT -5
grow up? for having an opinion?... even The Rock commented on how funny it is during his speech that The Game still gives a poop about the belt. Look, The Game is a guy who rode the coat tails of HBK and then banged the boss' daughter to get a real push. It's like The Rock once said... Triple H, you say your The Game? well if that's the case then you need to go back to the drawing board because your Game absolutely Sucks! No. Triple H EARNED his position at the top. He busted his ass, he dedicated his life to clawing his way back from the top. His first WrestleMania appearance, what happened? He got embarrassed by Warrior. Got one move in. A Pedigree, and Warrior got right back up, did the Gorilla Press, Splash, and the match was over. Sheamus' first WM? He came within a eyelash of beating a 13 time Champion, one of the best to ever lace up a pair of boots. Austin, Rock, Cena? All winners at their first WM. But not Hunter. I will bring up what JR said 7 years ago about Hunter. He said that if everyone else in the locker room would spend even half the time watching footage and video of older wrestling like Triple H does, they would see their game - no pun intended - improve immensely. And as for your "riding HBK's coattails" comment. Bulls**t. HBK won the title, and really started getting his push, in 1996. Triple H did not ride coattails. The very same year that HBK left for back surgery and time off, Triple H got the torch passed to him, in 1998. Face facts. Triple H busted his ass from that point on to earn his position. He would be in the same spot, Stephanie or no Stephanie, because that's what happens when you work your ass off. You get rewarded. Triple H has been for his tremendous work ethic. thank you, thank you, and thank you.
|
|
Infinite
Main Eventer
Joined on: Aug 27, 2009 13:49:36 GMT -5
Posts: 2,608
|
Post by Infinite on Apr 2, 2010 4:53:20 GMT -5
ok... the last time he actually put over a lesser star was when Jeff Hardy was going for his push and he beat The Game for the opportunity to face Orton. Sheamus beats Cena but The Game pins him... Just one example. HHH dosent lose unless HHH decides its ok. he is protecting whatever legacy he thinks he has. If Steph didnt have so much oull he would have been a mid-carder again okay. I bet you like undertaker dont you? i do, everyone does, but it has to be said he squashes guys a helluva lot more than triple h, and you dont see dumb ass smarks all over the place talking about "he's only on top because"... look at cm punk, he says one wrong word to undertaker and bam there goes his world title in the first match of the ppv in a squash. so yeah, its true top guys like taker and triple h use their power to stay at the top and get what they want, but thats how wrestling works, it'll always be that way and always has. But that doesnt change the fact that they have to bust their ass working in the first place to get to the top. as for tna, as much as i want them to succeed, theyre pretty screwed right now.
|
|
|
Post by thegenius on Apr 2, 2010 5:16:19 GMT -5
grow up? for having an opinion?... even The Rock commented on how funny it is during his speech that The Game still gives a poop about the belt. Look, The Game is a guy who rode the coat tails of HBK and then banged the boss' daughter to get a real push. It's like The Rock once said... Triple H, you say your The Game? well if that's the case then you need to go back to the drawing board because your Game absolutely Sucks! No. Triple H EARNED his position at the top. He busted his ass, he dedicated his life to clawing his way back from the top. His first WrestleMania appearance, what happened? He got embarrassed by Warrior. Got one move in. A Pedigree, and Warrior got right back up, did the Gorilla Press, Splash, and the match was over. Sheamus' first WM? He came within a eyelash of beating a 13 time Champion, one of the best to ever lace up a pair of boots. Austin, Rock, Cena? All winners at their first WM. But not Hunter. I will bring up what JR said 7 years ago about Hunter. He said that if everyone else in the locker room would spend even half the time watching footage and video of older wrestling like Triple H does, they would see their game - no pun intended - improve immensely. And as for your "riding HBK's coattails" comment. Bulls**t. HBK won the title, and really started getting his push, in 1996. Triple H did not ride coattails. The very same year that HBK left for back surgery and time off, Triple H got the torch passed to him, in 1998. Face facts. Triple H busted his ass from that point on to earn his position. He would be in the same spot, Stephanie or no Stephanie, because that's what happens when you work your ass off. You get rewarded. Triple H has been for his tremendous work ethic. Exactly! Triple H deserves his spot, it's guys like John Cena that doesn't. Yes, I said it. bite me. I don't think John Cena deserves 9 world titles, and I don't think he's the right wrestler nor guy to be considered "the best". Triple H was and is. People are always blaming the state of WWE on Triple H and how he's always holding people down and never putting people over. I challenge you to find me one person that Cena put over from 2006-present. Umaga? No. He ended his undefeated streak, and won at the Rumble. Sure it took him long to do it, but he still won. That's all the fans will likely remember, Cena winning. Khali? HA. Swagger? Do I even need to stretch how big of a tool he made him look on Monday? He no-sold his briefcase shots and almost had him beat and the worst about his no-selling? He smiles about it. That was extremely unneccessary. Sheamus? Like I said above. They never stretched how Sheamus beat him. Cena was made look better once again, even when he lost clean. "O WELL I THINK DA CENA'S FOOT SLIPPZ!11" . Can you say extremely unneccessary? Sheamus needed to look like a badass and here they are stretching (not once, not twice, THREE times... every damn week) that he didn't even beat him. Edge? Yeah, Edge wasn't even a fully polished main eventer until he cashed in his second MITB. Debatable but whatever, Cena was made look like the beast there and Edge almost never won clean. Randy Orton? No. During this feud, he was handcuffed to the post while Orton was hitting him with everything and he still managed to someway get out of it and win. Then he beats him with the worst submission finisher ever created with 7 seconds to go. No wonder people are tuning out, it's cause they're sick of having their intelligence insulted with things like this. CM Punk - Does nobody remember the slammies episode? Cena beat him in 1:34. That's not 1 hour and 34 minutes, that is 1 minute and 34 seconds. You don't beat a 3x world champion in that time, I don't care how much merchandise you sell, I don't care how much ass you kiss. It just doesn't happen. I don't even think there was a thread here about how brutal this was, I remember being in absolute awe of it. See? there's always some excuse when he loses. The only main event heel on Raw at the moment is Sheamus, I feel sorry for the guy. Cause you just know Cena will get his win back to massage his ego. People complain about their lord Chris Jericho never beating Triple H, but I don't think Chris Jericho ever beat Cena since he went into action-man mode either. Before somebody gives me the "he's a face, thats what faces do" excuse. No, that's what John Cena does... he would probably no sell a freaking bullet to the head. He can't bump and the majority of his matches are getting beat down only to bounce back up, no sell everything and do his lame ass signature moves. "Thats what Hogan did"... dude, Hogan did that in the 80's. We're in 2010 now, you take 5 steps forward with "Attitude" and you go 10 steps back with PG. No wonder people are tuning out when they have this guy as the face of the company. Cena may be proclaimed as the most over face in WWE at the moment but that's because WWE allow him to be. Everytime a midcarder like Kofi Kingston is getting a great push and gets really over, they blackball it, job him out to the main eventer he's feuding with and send him back to the midcard so he doesn't out-pop their top boy. I think it's all a conspiracy, WWE are in love with this guy. Merchandise - Cena has more of it than anybody else and is pushed the way he's pushed, of course he's going to sell. Pops? On PPV, the guy usually gets a mixed reaction. WWE call him "controversal" for this, yeah right. If he was so over, he wouldn't need the damn title all the time to get cheers. And If it was anybody else, they would say he wasn't over enough. The only way to stop this rubbish is to tune out. But sadly, people will never do that. So we're stuck with this garbage for a good 10 years, possibly even more.
|
|
|
Post by hbkjason on Apr 2, 2010 5:29:41 GMT -5
TNA were the ones who went looking for a war with the WWE and they are in no way any real competition. They should have just kept on doing what they were doing instead of worrying about what the WWE are doing.
|
|
|
Post by marino13 on Apr 2, 2010 7:49:06 GMT -5
ok... the last time he actually put over a lesser star was when Jeff Hardy was going for his push and he beat The Game for the opportunity to face Orton. Sheamus beats Cena but The Game pins him... Just one example. HHH dosent lose unless HHH decides its ok. he is protecting whatever legacy he thinks he has. If Steph didnt have so much oull he would have been a mid-carder again How about we just ignore the fact that... After tearing his quad he still finishes the match. Or after having his throat crushed he stays in so the can do the finish that was planned. Or that after years he decides to reinvent himself which lead to his first run as champion, long before he ever dated Stephanie. You're right that doesn't sound like a guy that deserves to be on top.
|
|
Deja Voodoo
Superstar
Yup, it's Mike Haggar piledriving a Shark!!
Joined on: Oct 23, 2009 10:30:25 GMT -5
Posts: 536
|
Post by Deja Voodoo on Apr 2, 2010 8:04:20 GMT -5
grow up? for having an opinion?... even The Rock commented on how funny it is during his speech that The Game still gives a poop about the belt. Look, The Game is a guy who rode the coat tails of HBK and then banged the boss' daughter to get a real push. It's like The Rock once said... Triple H, you say your The Game? well if that's the case then you need to go back to the drawing board because your Game absolutely Sucks! Well you do have the same arguments of a ten year old. He was already a two or three time champion before he start dating Steph, so now what, genius? Please tell us more of you infinite wisdom. As for the Rock part... You do know that was a wrestling promo?
|
|
Edgeacution
Mid-Carder
Joined on: Jul 30, 2002 2:27:24 GMT -5
Posts: 468
|
Post by Edgeacution on Apr 2, 2010 8:05:47 GMT -5
grow up? for having an opinion?... even The Rock commented on how funny it is during his speech that The Game still gives a poop about the belt. Look, The Game is a guy who rode the coat tails of HBK and then banged the boss' daughter to get a real push. It's like The Rock once said... Triple H, you say your The Game? well if that's the case then you need to go back to the drawing board because your Game absolutely Sucks! Riding on HBK's coat tails??? As I remember it I saw HBK holding back HHH for all the trouble he caused.... DX originally caused a lot of trouble for him, not to mention the infamous Kayfabe incident with the Kliq. I mean it was said many many times that HHH was punished for what happened since Hall Nash and Waltman left the WWF and Vince wasn't going to punish HBK since he was champ. And yes I agree HHH earned his spot! Even Ricky Steamboat said it at the Hall of Fame awards "If there is anyone who understands this business and has got it, its HHH"
|
|
Vampirenighthawk
POSSIBLE BAD TRADER
Joined on: Mar 29, 2010 19:36:28 GMT -5
Posts: 874
|
Post by Vampirenighthawk on Apr 2, 2010 10:47:29 GMT -5
Steamboat said that because to even have a shot at the comapny you have to suck up to HHH...
and Cena works his ass off more than anyone and he got beat by Sheamus... The Game would never allow that to happen to him.
Wanna believe the bullshit? do it. want reality? know that The Game's time is past... if it ever was really there to begin with.
|
|
|
Post by jfinnomore on Apr 2, 2010 10:57:31 GMT -5
Steamboat said that because to even have a shot at the comapny you have to suck up to HHH... and Cena works his ass off more than anyone and he got beat by Sheamus... The Game would never allow that to happen to him. Wanna believe the bullpoop? do it. want reality? know that The Game's time is past... if it ever was really there to begin with. maybe you fail to hear the HUGE pop every time Triple H's music hits? His time hasn't past he's still one of the top guys and is insanely popular with the fans young and old. I love how all the Triple H haters think he gets no reaction/fan fare at all. He's married to a McMahon, get over it, he's still would be and is one of the industries hardest workers/ smartest minds and will be for years to come.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 8:30:04 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2010 11:07:44 GMT -5
Steamboat said that because to even have a shot at the comapny you have to suck up to HHH... and Cena works his ass off more than anyone and he got beat by Sheamus... The Game would never allow that to happen to him. Wanna believe the bullpoop? do it. want reality? know that The Game's time is past... if it ever was really there to begin with. So, basically what you're saying, is that John Cena is a great wrestler, and Triple H sucks? My god, how stupid can you be? John Cena might have a great work ethic, none of us know what he does outside of the ring, but it sure as hell hasn't helped him wrestle better matches. Cena needs to go back to basics, and learn psychology, bumping, EVERYTHING. Cena is good at playing to the crowd, and is good on the mic. Aside from that, Cena is absolutely horrendous in the ring. And I actually like Cena. Triple H, to this day, is STILL one of the top performers in the company. He can have a great match with just about anyone that's put in front of him. There are very few wrestlers in the WWE who can work a match as well as he can. He's pretty good on the mic, plays a great role heel or face, and works his ass off to be the best. Triple H IS one of the best wrestlers in the WWE, behind maybe only Chris Jericho (I'm sure this is debatable, but besides the point). He's worked his ass off for his entire career. Do you remember when he was jobbed out to Warrior at Wrestlemania? Or how about his feuds with The Rock over the IC title? You could see it then that he was going to be something huge. He had the talent, the size, the "IT" factor. To this day, he still does. I'm willing to bet, at the end of his feud with Sheamus, even if Triple H goes over, Sheamus will come out looking like a ing monster. Just because someone loses, does NOT mean they aren't being put over. If Sheamus dominates a match against Triple H, and those two put on one hell of a match, no matter the outcome, Sheamus will come out of it looking like gold.
|
|
Vampirenighthawk
POSSIBLE BAD TRADER
Joined on: Mar 29, 2010 19:36:28 GMT -5
Posts: 874
|
Post by Vampirenighthawk on Apr 2, 2010 11:14:11 GMT -5
look, I am not saying Cena is a whole lot better...
Ok, how about this... a divorce could lead to TNA winning though..
Imagine HHH in TNA...
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 8:30:04 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2010 11:15:13 GMT -5
look, I am not saying Cena is a whole lot better... Ok, how about this... a divorce could lead to TNA winning though.. Imagine HHH in TNA... Even as good of a thought as that might be, I think if Triple H were to leave the WWE, it'd be through legitimate retirement, and would not go to TNA.
|
|
|
Post by jfinnomore on Apr 2, 2010 11:15:38 GMT -5
look, I am not saying Cena is a whole lot better... Ok, how about this... a divorce could lead to TNA winning though.. Imagine HHH in TNA... Triple H was loyal to WWE for how many years before he married Steph? He always talks about Mania's main event being what he lives for so I doubt he'd jump to that dingy of a ship called TNA even if he and Steph separated.
|
|
|
Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Apr 2, 2010 11:55:21 GMT -5
Steamboat said that because to even have a shot at the comapny you have to suck up to HHH...
and Cena works his ass off more than anyone and he got beat by Sheamus... The Game would never allow that to happen to him.Wanna believe the bullpoop? do it. want reality? know that The Game's time is past... if it ever was really there to begin with. First line....not sure if you can quite grasp this, but Ricky Steamboat was in the WWE before Hunter was even in WCW...and the 2nd line about Cena working his ass off more than ANYONE? Yeah how many movies has Triple H taken time off to film? You really need to just leave, and stop trying because you clearly are NOT prepared for this discussion. Go away, and maybe come back when you are better prepared. Either way, you lost this debate.
|
|
|
Post by Johnny Wrestling on Apr 2, 2010 12:18:57 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is this. Triple H earned everything he has accomplished. He was a main eventer way before getting married. John Cena has worked hard. He is a company man, and so is Triple H. Both man have shown they will do everything for the WWE. John Cena got popular and got pushed because of that. IMO, both man deserve everything they have, because they both earned it, though indeed, Cena seems invincible which is not right.
|
|
The Best in the World
Main Eventer
Let's Go Canucks!
Joined on: Jul 15, 2009 22:11:07 GMT -5
Posts: 1,088
|
Post by The Best in the World on Apr 2, 2010 15:48:27 GMT -5
No. Unless they do something really big like WCW, I don't see it happening.
|
|