|
Post by juicewinslow on May 13, 2010 22:14:58 GMT -5
Besides the Abyss/Chelsea/Lacey pee break, terrible episode in my opinion.
|
|
|
Post by deskjet on May 14, 2010 2:51:16 GMT -5
Main event and follow up was great. The rest was junk and that abyss angle was just dumb
|
|
|
Post by deskjet on May 14, 2010 3:11:38 GMT -5
Anyone notice the fact that TNA used continuity throughout the night about the Chelsea/Abyss/Wolfe angle? Lacey Von Erich's pee break leads to actual footage. Give TNA some credit for that. umm why? First of all you don't put into an angle footage of someone wanting to pee. You just have her come into hogans office at the end and show the footage. Made it seemed too staged. Second, why make an angle that would probably have more value over time payoff on the same night. So abyss goes to jail and Now he'll be out for the ppv? So they are back where they started. Storylines that are gonna have a payoff that nite should be built around what's gonna happen that night, like something between aj, Jeff, rvd. This storyline with abyss coulda been one that tna coulda ran with and got another month out of. But that's one of their problems. They rarely book storylines with logevity before they Frick it up or drop it all together. So while they should get credit perhaps for having something ongoing all night, it was the wrong type of angle to try to do on one show IMO.
|
|
|
Post by No Brokeback on May 14, 2010 9:00:29 GMT -5
I enjoyed the show. I loved the buildup for the PPV at the end as well. It actually made me want to order it. I probably won't this month, just because I have a down payment for another apartment soon and money extra money should never be used for PPV's.
I enjoyed the episode quite a bit. I loved the 4 way tag match. As small as that ring is, they truly pull off some amazing things with so many people in the ring. I'm hoping Motor City turn heels soon. They have a good heel look to em.
|
|
|
Post by SodaGuy on May 14, 2010 12:32:53 GMT -5
Anyone notice the fact that TNA used continuity throughout the night about the Chelsea/Abyss/Wolfe angle? Lacey Von Erich's pee break leads to actual footage. Give TNA some credit for that. umm why? First of all you don't put into an angle footage of someone wanting to pee. You just have her come into hogans office at the end and show the footage. Made it seemed too staged. Second, why make an angle that would probably have more value over time payoff on the same night. So abyss goes to jail and Now he'll be out for the ppv? So they are back where they started. Storylines that are gonna have a payoff that nite should be built around what's gonna happen that night, like something between aj, Jeff, rvd. This storyline with abyss coulda been one that tna coulda ran with and got another month out of. But that's one of their problems. They rarely book storylines with logevity before they Frick it up or drop it all together. So while they should get credit perhaps for having something ongoing all night, it was the wrong type of angle to try to do on one show IMO. They didn't need this storyline for "another month", they needed it for Sunday hence why the length of it and the flow of it, worked.
|
|
|
Post by deskjet on May 14, 2010 12:40:37 GMT -5
umm why? First of all you don't put into an angle footage of someone wanting to pee. You just have her come into hogans office at the end and show the footage. Made it seemed too staged. Second, why make an angle that would probably have more value over time payoff on the same night. So abyss goes to jail and Now he'll be out for the ppv? So they are back where they started. Storylines that are gonna have a payoff that nite should be built around what's gonna happen that night, like something between aj, Jeff, rvd. This storyline with abyss coulda been one that tna coulda ran with and got another month out of. But that's one of their problems. They rarely book storylines with logevity before they Frick it up or drop it all together. So while they should get credit perhaps for having something ongoing all night, it was the wrong type of angle to try to do on one show IMO. They didn't need this storyline for "another month", they needed it for Sunday hence why the length of it and the flow of it, worked. no. The storyline would have worked for a month. They didn't need this storyline for Sunday. No one gives a damn about this match and didn't deserve an entire shie dedicated to it when there could have been more of a balance toward the rest of the card. Piss poor booking again
|
|
|
Post by K3V on May 14, 2010 12:49:32 GMT -5
Anyone know where to find photos from the latest TNA episode on the website?
BTW, cool TNA last night
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Oct 9, 2024 6:13:51 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 14, 2010 12:57:01 GMT -5
They haven't even been put up on TNA's Facebook, which is usually where it's seen first. Last night's pictures should be on the website by tomorrow, or Sunday.
- Triple S
|
|
|
Post by LtD73 on May 14, 2010 13:23:59 GMT -5
Sometimes they skip weeks
Theres no pics at all for April 12th impact
|
|
|
Post by No Brokeback on May 14, 2010 15:15:33 GMT -5
They didn't need this storyline for "another month", they needed it for Sunday hence why the length of it and the flow of it, worked. no. The storyline would have worked for a month. They didn't need this storyline for Sunday. No one gives a damn about this match and didn't deserve an entire shie dedicated to it when there could have been more of a balance toward the rest of the card. Piss poor booking again So..you're the storyline storyteller, telling us when something works or when it doesn't? I actually felt bad for Abyss, and I would have hated if that story was longer than a night. I mean, even I was guessing people like, say... Samoa Joe or something who would have assaulted her. It was done well It set up the storyline nicely I hope Abyss loses on Sunday.
|
|
|
Post by SodaGuy on May 14, 2010 15:17:59 GMT -5
no. The storyline would have worked for a month. They didn't need this storyline for Sunday. No one gives a damn about this match and didn't deserve an entire shie dedicated to it when there could have been more of a balance toward the rest of the card. Piss poor booking again So..you're the storyline storyteller, telling us when something works or when it doesn't? I actually felt bad for Abyss, and I would have hated if that story was longer than a night. I mean, even I was guessing people like, say... Samoa Joe or something who would have assaulted her. It was done well It set up the storyline nicely I hope Abyss loses on Sunday. I agree, it didn't need to go on for weeks and months. It was a storyline that was a "one and done" deal, like it should've been. I'm sure some people would've complained had it went to Slammiversary. I guess it's true, you can't please 100% of the people, 100% of the time.
|
|
|
Post by deskjet on May 14, 2010 17:33:59 GMT -5
So..you're the storyline storyteller, telling us when something works or when it doesn't? I actually felt bad for Abyss, and I would have hated if that story was longer than a night. I mean, even I was guessing people like, say... Samoa Joe or something who would have assaulted her. It was done well It set up the storyline nicely I hope Abyss loses on Sunday. I agree, it didn't need to go on for weeks and months. It was a storyline that was a "one and done" deal, like it should've been. I'm sure some people would've complained had it went to Slammiversary. I guess it's true, you can't please 100% of the people, 100% of the time. You and tna bandwagon dont seem to understand the point. Storylines like "who dun it" are usually done for the purpose of longevity...to build or add something to an already existing storyline. What did this particular series of segments add to the feud that already existed? That Abyss and Desmond don't like each other? that Desmond and Abyss have an ongoing feud? those things have already been established and set in motion prior to this show. The match was already made, the heat is already there. What's the purpose of this type of storyline only for it to come to conclusion in one night? It added nothing to the heat and wasted time. Again, if Abyss was in jail, missed the ppv, Maybe Hogan started having doubts about Abyss, then Abyss realizes that Hogan and many others turned their back on him, so he decided to be the monster again, then I could see letting something like this play out...but that never will happen because they already built the storyline and ended it in one show! So the whole damn who dunnit scenario that would usually keep people involved, is done and we have what to show for it? That chelsea and desmond know how to pull off a scam and Lacey takes videos while she is taking a piss? Furthermore, would not time building RVD vs AJ styles part two be a better way to spend that time if you really wanted to hype something, instead of a week undercard match between a muppet and some guy that got beat by the world champion in less then 3 minutes? I mean, this is what TNA is telling us, that these two are more important, even though, in the fan polls Abyss is at the bottom and TNA really puts no stock in Desmond, but this is what TNA is giving us. Seriously...there is no consistency...still. And, This whole complaining and not being pleased with tna thing is just deflecting the issues this creative team still has. They think nothing through long term so everything becomes off the cuff. Maybe you two dont look at things introspectively but, I see how there could have been many scenarios played out from this angle even after the ppv. And why shouldnt I think its a big deal since TNA made the whole show about it? But, It was unecessary and/or booked incorrectly for this type of angle. And like I've said before, I could probably take 5 guys off this site and book a better show then TNA, it's not that hard. The show had some ok stuff, but overall, it still was piss poor booking.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Oct 9, 2024 6:13:51 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 14, 2010 17:56:28 GMT -5
That's the thing, though. It did work for a one night storyline. That's all they needed it for. It gave Abyss a bigger reason to tear Wolfe's ing head off this weekend. Abyss won't still be in jail after the video was shown. It gives him the fuel to be an even angrier monster than before. The match had no build-up leading into it (other than the fact that they were on both Hogan/Flair's teams respectively). This storyline gave the match a build-up. I'm also somewhat curious, have you ever booked a wrestling promotion? My dad owns/books an indy promotion. It isn't as easy as it seems, and that's just for a small local indy fed. So many people are telling TNA what to do and what not to do, and they are just trying to do what they think the fans would like. You seem to be the only one bitching about it in this thread, as the general consensus of people in this thread enjoyed it.
|
|
|
Post by deskjet on May 14, 2010 18:20:22 GMT -5
That's the thing, though. It did work for a one night storyline. That's all they needed it for. It gave Abyss a bigger reason to tear Wolfe's ing head off this weekend. Abyss won't still be in jail after the video was shown. It gives him the fuel to be an even angrier monster than before. The match had no build-up leading into it (other than the fact that they were on both Hogan/Flair's teams respectively). This storyline gave the match a build-up. I'm also somewhat curious, have you ever booked a wrestling promotion? My dad owns/books an indy promotion. It isn't as easy as it seems, and that's just for a small local indy fed. So many people are telling TNA what to do and what not to do, and they are just trying to do what they think the fans would like. You seem to be the only one bitching about it in this thread, as the general consensus of people in this thread enjoyed it. And so what that I'm bitching about it. Does your dad try to book shows that will pull in viewers based on what the viewers like, or does he just book according to what he thinks or has learned? You see, although the concensus on this board may be that TNA booked this particular segment well, overall, the concensus in the rest of the wrestling community believes that TNA's booking is bullcrap. And again, you like the other two fail to see the problem with this angle. IT WAS NOT NECESSARY! Did Abyss Need more incentive? WOLFE TRIED TO FRUCKIN RUN HIM OVER WITH A CAR!!!! Did he look any angrier then before? NO! HE LOOKED LIKE A FREAKIN WHIPPED PUPPY! Does he need more motivation? NO, HE"S SUPPOSEDLY GOT ALL THE MOTIVATION HE NEEDS FROM THAT STUPID CLASS RING!!!! If you wanted to do it on the next show, then fine, then you could build towards something and play it off this, but there was no hype necessary for this match nor should there have been this much time dedicated to it. Personally, i dont give a shyt if your dad books wwe, common sense says that good storylines with purpose are what keep people interested...that's story writing 101, something you can pick up in high school and has everything to do with booking a show. Sure there's always factors outside of your control that would cause different directions to be taken, but in this case, not likely the case. And yes, TNA followed a story through the show, but as i originally stated, it was an unecessary storyline, that wasted time, that got the same result, which coulda been better suited for long term booking. I'm complaining about what TNA does from a writing standpoint, which is the reason they are floundering now, and the reason many people, including people on here get fed up with their shows. As far as my qualifications to judge a show, let's just say i have enough life experience to be able to distinguish between what is good and what is bad. And when you lose half your viewing audience over a months time, I don't think I'm far off the mark. Now I would suggest that if you don't like my "bitching" then just keep your opinion to yourself, unless you have a valid counter argument.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Oct 9, 2024 6:13:51 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 14, 2010 18:46:31 GMT -5
I'm not talking about their overall booking, I'm talking about this particular segment. Sometimes they do have bad booking decisions, and I can't deny that. But this particular segment wasn't bad, and people enjoyed it, so I don't understand why your being so histrionic over it. More motivation for a face to be angry at a heel is a bad thing? Isn't that the point of wrestling? I thought they did a good job of capturing the realism of it, seeing as though he was being wrongfully accused of attacking a woman. What did you want him to do, attack the police officers? Of course he's going to look like a "whipped puppy." Stop using the excuse that is was unnecessary. It definitely made me more interested in their match, and I look forward to seeing their match more than I did before solely because of this segment. Even if it was unnecesary, it was still one of the most interesting things I've seen in a while. At least they're pushing the envelope and trying new things unlike WWE, which is completely stagnant. Wasn't the main complaint with TNA a while back that they weren't building up their PPV matches enough? We'll here they have a really good angle (in my opinion), and now people are bitching at it because it was building up the match too much. What the ? It sounds like many people, including you, just have something completely against TNA, and you only watch the show to invidiously critique it.
|
|
|
Post by No Brokeback on May 14, 2010 19:30:40 GMT -5
I agree, it didn't need to go on for weeks and months. It was a storyline that was a "one and done" deal, like it should've been. I'm sure some people would've complained had it went to Slammiversary. I guess it's true, you can't please 100% of the people, 100% of the time. You and tna bandwagon dont seem to understand the point. Storylines like "who dun it" are usually done for the purpose of longevity...to build or add something to an already existing storyline. What did this particular series of segments add to the feud that already existed? That Abyss and Desmond don't like each other? that Desmond and Abyss have an ongoing feud? those things have already been established and set in motion prior to this show. The match was already made, the heat is already there. What's the purpose of this type of storyline only for it to come to conclusion in one night? It added nothing to the heat and wasted time. Again, if Abyss was in jail, missed the ppv, Maybe Hogan started having doubts about Abyss, then Abyss realizes that Hogan and many others turned their back on him, so he decided to be the monster again, then I could see letting something like this play out...but that never will happen because they already built the storyline and ended it in one show! So the whole damn who dunnit scenario that would usually keep people involved, is done and we have what to show for it? That chelsea and desmond know how to pull off a scam and Lacey takes videos while she is taking a piss? Furthermore, would not time building RVD vs AJ styles part two be a better way to spend that time if you really wanted to hype something, instead of a week undercard match between a muppet and some guy that got beat by the world champion in less then 3 minutes? I mean, this is what TNA is telling us, that these two are more important, even though, in the fan polls Abyss is at the bottom and TNA really puts no stock in Desmond, but this is what TNA is giving us. Seriously...there is no consistency...still. And, This whole complaining and not being pleased with tna thing is just deflecting the issues this creative team still has. They think nothing through long term so everything becomes off the cuff. Maybe you two dont look at things introspectively but, I see how there could have been many scenarios played out from this angle even after the ppv. And why shouldnt I think its a big deal since TNA made the whole show about it? But, It was unecessary and/or booked incorrectly for this type of angle. And like I've said before, I could probably take 5 guys off this site and book a better show then TNA, it's not that hard. The show had some ok stuff, but overall, it still was piss poor booking. In WWE. This isn't WWE and they built it fine.
|
|
|
Post by deskjet on May 14, 2010 21:33:24 GMT -5
I'm not talking about their overall booking, I'm talking about this particular segment. Sometimes they do have bad booking decisions, and I can't deny that. But this particular segment wasn't bad, and people enjoyed it, so I don't understand why your being so histrionic over it. More motivation for a face to be angry at a heel is a bad thing? Isn't that the point of wrestling? I thought they did a good job of capturing the realism of it, seeing as though he was being wrongfully accused of attacking a woman. What did you want him to do, attack the police officers? Of course he's going to look like a "whipped puppy." Stop using the excuse that is was unnecessary. It definitely made me more interested in their match, and I look forward to seeing their match more than I did before solely because of this segment. Even if it was unnecesary, it was still one of the most interesting things I've seen in a while. At least they're pushing the envelope and trying new things unlike WWE, which is completely stagnant. Wasn't the main complaint with TNA a while back that they weren't building up their PPV matches enough? We'll here they have a really good angle (in my opinion), and now people are bitching at it because it was building up the match too much. What the ? It sounds like many people, including you, just have something completely against TNA, and you only watch the show to invidiously critique it. Well, you clearly know nothing about me or my past criticisms of TNA. I never said you couldn't like it. If you and everyone else like it, then that's great. I didn't like it and I stated my opinion about it clearly. And this particular segment, in my opinion was reflective of their overall bad booking decisons. Again, I don't know how many times I need to say the angle did nothing to advance a feud that's already had heat to it. If you liked the angle, then that's fine, good for you, but again why so much emphasis? Why not have Chelsea run up to Hulk, or a security person and say Abyss attacked me! Abyss is confronted by Hulk, asked to leave, done. Instead of making it into this over dramatic angle. What I would have done is never given away who it was until down the road...actually tease an investigation for once. Then maybe have Lacey walking around paranoid for a week or two becasue she really knows the truth. There you have two ongoing interesting storylines. At the Sacrifice, have Wolfe wrestle someone else or just give him the night off. As the weeks progress, show snippets of Hogan talking to a suspended Abyss, have Hogan doubt Abyss, Have hogan take Abyss's ring away...then when it's reached it's climax, have lacey reveal the footage. Abyss comes back as a terrorizing monster taking out wolfe then turning on Hogan. A storyline like TNA pitched thursday begs for longevity and I just demonstrated how it coulda played out and you still have the same amount of heat but now you've pulled viewers in for a longer time and you have a logical heel turn for Abyss, followed by a final feud with Wolfe, and a beginning feud with Hogan. Hell, even have Lacey in a program with Chelsea for ratting her out. Now do you see how all that flows and builds on itself? What TNA did thursday is shot that type of booking right in the head and just took an angle and through it into one night. So now where do we go? Perhaps the same route, but knowing TNA, abyss will be back kissing hogans ass and desmond will continue to job to everyone. It's what TNA is, and what they do. That angle is reflective of this creative teams inability to take something and let it build. Whether it was good as a stand alone or not is irrelevant, the fact remains, with TNA, it's always what didn't have to be and what could have been. And this is why i hated the angle.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Oct 9, 2024 6:13:51 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 14, 2010 21:44:41 GMT -5
I respect your opinion and ideas, but I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Oct 9, 2024 6:13:51 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2010 7:28:45 GMT -5
3D, MCMG and Beer Money have been in a match together 2 weeks in a row on iMPACT, and now again at Sacrifice on Sunday? Ugh... And why the hell did no one get an entrance in that tag match apart from the worst team Ink Inc? This Chelsea thing seems stupid, it's TNA Wrestling not an episode of Crimewatch. Perhaps TNA will release TNA : Cluedo to go with the storyline Also, why didn't Abyss use the power of the rings to break out of the handcuffs and escape?
|
|
|
Post by BladeDJK on May 15, 2010 16:20:36 GMT -5
just watching Impact now, damn Tomko got big
|
|