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Post by slappy on May 1, 2010 0:47:14 GMT -5
"Today, the Wall Street Journal reports that the Arizona Department of Education “recently began telling school districts that teachers whose spoken English it deems to be heavily accented or ungrammatical must be removed from classes for students still learning English” thinkprogress.org/2010/04/30/arizona-teachers/And they are barring any ethnic studies classes. What the hell is up with Arizona?
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Post by Jimmy on May 1, 2010 0:53:10 GMT -5
When the did Arizona become Nazi Germany?
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on May 1, 2010 0:59:18 GMT -5
WTF Arizona?! I didn't know Hitler was the Secretary of Education down there. S***, glad I don't live there.
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Post by Quanthor on May 1, 2010 1:43:25 GMT -5
They should change the name of their state to, The Land of Xenophobia.
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Post by HardyHeft on May 1, 2010 8:58:35 GMT -5
.........they are kidding right?............... right?
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Post by TheNinthCloud on May 1, 2010 9:02:51 GMT -5
lawl Seriously?
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Post by T R W on May 1, 2010 11:14:46 GMT -5
Well, if they can't speak english properly, or in an understandable manner, they certainly shouldn't be teaching it. Should we allow the obese to be phyical education instructors? Should we allow people who don't know math past a 5th grade level teach high school algebra?
I had to drop a college english course once because the professor was heavily accented, and about half the class dropped as well.
I don't care about the ethnicity or skin color, but either you can speak and teach english, or you can't.
While the banning of ethnic studies doesn't really make sense to me, I don't understand why it was there in the first place. It seems more like a college course to me.
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Post by Double J on May 1, 2010 11:28:32 GMT -5
I absolutely understand the desire to want to protect everyone and everything that lives in this country, but barring a person who's ability to speak English properly from teaching that particular subject is completely understandable and justifiable. It could be like trying to learn English from Hexus.
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Post by spearjack24 on May 1, 2010 11:40:48 GMT -5
I agree with THE Double J. I mean how are these kids going to learn properly when the teacher can't speak it properly?!?
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Post by Gene on May 1, 2010 11:46:31 GMT -5
How are people suppose to learn English if the teacher can't speak it clearly?
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on May 1, 2010 11:53:56 GMT -5
You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to. How are we to decide how one person says a word over another? Who is to say what is ungrammatical? What about people who speak "regular English" - whatever that is defined as - but just pronounce things differently? I had a teacher in 11th grade who is full-on American, but pronounces Florida "Flor-ee-da." Does that mean that her pronunciation of Florida is "ungrammatical" and she must be removed from the class? No. I don't even agree with the accented English. People cannot help how they speak. Is that to say that we shouldn't allow a British male or female to teach an English class, because according to the standards presented, that is heavily accented. Or what about a Spanish teacher who speaks in English as well? That will be the next step. "You're accent is way too heavy to be speaking in English. You must leave the class of study that you spent countless hours in getting a degree for to teach. You now have a degree that you cannot use."
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on May 1, 2010 11:55:18 GMT -5
Well, if they can't speak english properly, or in an understandable manner, they certainly shouldn't be teaching it. Should we allow the obese to be phyical education instructors? Should we allow people who don't know math past a 5th grade level teach high school algebra? I had to drop a college english course once because the professor was heavily accented, and about half the class dropped as well. I don't care about the ethnicity or skin color, but either you can speak and teach english, or you can't. While the banning of ethnic studies doesn't really make sense to me, I don't understand why it was there in the first place. It seems more like a college course to me. My high school gym teacher was overweight if that counts. In Arizona from what I understand there is more influence on ethnic studies.. But what do I know? Regardless, all of it seems a little more on the silly side.
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Post by Kliquid on May 1, 2010 11:56:02 GMT -5
I shudder to think about what some of the inner-city schools would be forced to do with their teachers.
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Post by spearjack24 on May 1, 2010 11:59:19 GMT -5
I shudder to think about what some of the inner-city schools would be forced to do with their teachers. Dey would scream and holla wiff dees peoples!
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on May 1, 2010 12:12:12 GMT -5
i wish they'd do that over here, for 3 years i was stuck with a really heavily indian accented Math teacher, i hardly learnt anything in those years as i, and a load of people in my class, couldn't understand a word he was saying. and the head of the school didnt do anything because he was scared of being called out on racial discrimination terms.
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Post by slappy on May 1, 2010 14:27:23 GMT -5
i wish they'd do that over here, for 3 years i was stuck with a really heavily indian accented Math teacher, i hardly learnt anything in those years as i, and a load of people in my class, couldn't understand a word he was saying. and the head of the school didnt do anything because he was scared of being called out on racial discrimination terms. Apparently you had the same kind of teacher in English class.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on May 1, 2010 14:29:08 GMT -5
My wife and I are both white, small-town Northeastern people and we speak clear English with a rural Pennsylvania-upstate New York accent. We now live in a very ethnically diverse part of Florida.
Our son (now 5 years old) has attended daycare-preschool since he was a few months old. He's had about 10 teachers in the past 3 years. One had a thick Indian accent. Several of them were originally from Haiti, Dominican Republic, or Jamaica and had very thick accents. Only one of his teachers spoke English with an accent anywhere close to our family's. Mind you, he spent five days a week with these teachers during the crucial years where he was learning to speak and pronounce things.
You know what he sounds like today when he speaks? His parents. There's only one word he pronounces any different from the way I do, and it could just as easily be a developmental thing as opposed to an issue with his teacher's different accents.
I admit I was a bit skeptical at first, wondering if my son would come home from school pronouncing things wrong. But this experience cured me of that fear. Not only were the teachers doing their jobs well, but in the end, my son still spent more time listening to me speak than he did any of his teachers. So it ended up being a non-issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2010 14:30:30 GMT -5
Well, if they can't speak english properly, or in an understandable manner, they certainly shouldn't be teaching it. Should we allow the obese to be phyical education instructors? Should we allow people who don't know math past a 5th grade level teach high school algebra? I had to drop a college english course once because the professor was heavily accented, and about half the class dropped as well. I don't care about the ethnicity or skin color, but either you can speak and teach english, or you can't. While the banning of ethnic studies doesn't really make sense to me, I don't understand why it was there in the first place. It seems more like a college course to me. TRW speaks the truth, people take "race and color" too seriously. Hence why Obama won the election. How are you supposed to learn English or any language if the person teaching you cannot speak it right?
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Post by slappy on May 1, 2010 14:38:50 GMT -5
Well, if they can't speak english properly, or in an understandable manner, they certainly shouldn't be teaching it. Should we allow the obese to be phyical education instructors? Should we allow people who don't know math past a 5th grade level teach high school algebra? I had to drop a college english course once because the professor was heavily accented, and about half the class dropped as well. I don't care about the ethnicity or skin color, but either you can speak and teach english, or you can't. While the banning of ethnic studies doesn't really make sense to me, I don't understand why it was there in the first place. It seems more like a college course to me. TRW speaks the truth, people take "race and color" too seriously. Hence why Obama won the election. How are you supposed to learn English or any language if the person teaching you cannot speak it right? What's right? Should someone with a southern accent not teach, should someone with a Boston accent not teach because they don't have the right accent?
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on May 1, 2010 14:53:02 GMT -5
TRW speaks the truth, people take "race and color" too seriously. Hence why Obama won the election. How are you supposed to learn English or any language if the person teaching you cannot speak it right? What's right? Should someone with a southern accent not teach, should someone with a Boston accent not teach because they don't have the right accent?That's exactly what I am saying! Who are we all to determine what is right and wrong, with regards to how people speak, and how things should be pronounced? I used to work with someone who is from New York, and her accent always had her pronouncing "soda" as "soder". That doesn't mean she was wrong and I was right. People pronounce things differently, especially based upon the specific accent they have. Most of us can relate to being a wrestling fan at one point or another, and most of us remember Tazz on commentary, and there were times when he would say "John Cenar" instead of "John Cena". It's just his accent. Just because you say Cena, not Cenar, doesn't make you right or any better than Tazz.
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