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Post by wabarrett on May 24, 2010 10:56:51 GMT -5
This thread had absolutely nothing to do with Kennedy until willbuh had to go and bring him up- i.e., instigate an argument. What does it matter, Future? I am not just aimlessly looking for a fight on a WWE forum, I'm pointing out some of the unbelievable hypocrisy of some of the dickheads on here. If we aren't allowed to even have heated discussions on here then what is the point of the forum? Someone mentioned how this injury might have just been an accident and said 'I guess there is no such thing as an accident?' That comment made me think, 'Wasn't Mr. Kennedy's back drop on Orton just an accident? No, of course not, he's dangerous, sloppy and injury-prone and the IWC hates him now.' I felt like venting that. Have I justified my post well enough for ya? Thanks.
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Post by Elliot on May 24, 2010 11:04:14 GMT -5
What does it matter, Future? I am not just aimlessly looking for a fight on a WWE forum, I'm pointing out some of the unbelievable hypocrisy of some of the dickheads on here. If we aren't allowed to even have heated discussions on here then what is the point of the forum? Someone mentioned how this injury might have just been an accident and said 'I guess there is no such thing as an accident?' That comment made me think, 'Wasn't Mr. Kennedy's back drop on Orton just an accident? No, of course not, he's dangerous, sloppy and injury-prone and the IWC hates him now.' I felt like venting that. Have I justified my post well enough for ya? Thanks. But he is dangerous, sloppy and injury-prone.
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Post by The Future on May 24, 2010 11:09:01 GMT -5
Yes, yes you have. It's just the fact that around these parts- anytime that either Anderson or Orton are brought up in conjunction with one another, it seems to bring out some unbridled, passionate ignorance from members around here(jSYN in particular) and I just don't really care to see that constantly repeat itself.
I have no qualms with you, as I've said countless times- you're a pretty friendly guy who always gives justified reasoning for his arguments. It was just not really warranted to bring Kennedy into this equation when there was already a few-page long argument thread based around the Orton/Anderson history and comparison.
I don't know whether Orton really did injure himself while fist pounding, or while perhaps doing a commonplace spot earlier on in the match involving ring ropes and such- but the point of it is that he didn't continue to work the match, dizzy, and risk injuring Edge. They had to re-work the finish and take it as a loss, and now Randy will most likely miss a bit of time. Not a big loss to me, I just think it's strange. Anderson's injury was unfortunate in just the same way that any botched move is. I never said he was the anti-Christ, but I suppose the blind defense by some people of Kennedy have grown others to loathe him by affiliation.
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Post by wabarrett on May 24, 2010 13:19:12 GMT -5
Yes, yes you have. It's just the fact that around these parts- anytime that either Anderson or Orton are brought up in conjunction with one another, it seems to bring out some unbridled, passionate ignorance from members around here(jSYN in particular) and I just don't really care to see that constantly repeat itself. I have no qualms with you, as I've said countless times- you're a pretty friendly guy who always gives justified reasoning for his arguments. It was just not really warranted to bring Kennedy into this equation when there was already a few-page long argument thread based around the Orton/Anderson history and comparison. I don't know whether Orton really did injure himself while fist pounding, or while perhaps doing a commonplace spot earlier on in the match involving ring ropes and such- but the point of it is that he didn't continue to work the match, dizzy, and risk injuring Edge. They had to re-work the finish and take it as a loss, and now Randy will most likely miss a bit of time. Not a big loss to me, I just think it's strange. Anderson's injury was unfortunate in just the same way that any botched move is. I never said he was the anti-Christ, but I suppose the blind defense by some people of Kennedy have grown others to loathe him by affiliation. Ha, yes you have. I'm surprised you aren't sick of having this conversation with me actually. Hey, we're cool. And as always, I can't really argue with anything ya said.
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Post by thegenius on May 24, 2010 14:09:03 GMT -5
You guys seem to be forgetting that Orton got KENNEDY FIRED. He's not exactly going to be wishing him the best of luck in his future endeavors, you know? How is it tasteless? How is it out-of-line? If a guy got you fired, would you care, or be worried? Of course not. It's not about bitterness, or jealousy. Anderson lost his job because of him, and all you mindless sheep are too ignorant to realize what his reasoning for posting a message is. Since Orton is "in a better spot" and "well respected", Anderson is just HAS to be in the wrong. It's all about workrate and entertainment here. If it was me getting my co-worker fired from his job for an accident, you would all call me a dick. If it was Anderson getting Orton fired, and then got injured last night, you would all call him a dick.
Fact. Don't even try to deny it or call me biased, I am clearly not. I'm willing to admit that both guys were wrong at some points but Anderson has every freakin' right to be pissed off about it. Orton can say what he wants, when he wants about Anderson being reckless and dangerous, and it's "funny" and "epic". But when Anderson opens his mouth, he's "bitter". You guys don't think at ALL, that's just good ol' WF being biased and playing favourites?
I'm just glad atleast SOME people here have a brain in their heads.
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Post by The Future on May 24, 2010 14:51:34 GMT -5
You guys seem to be forgetting that Orton got KENNEDY FIRED. He's not exactly going to be wishing him the best of luck in his future endeavors, you know? How is it tasteless? How is it out-of-line? If a guy got you fired, would you care, or be worried? Of course not. It's not about bitterness, or jealousy. Anderson lost his job because of him, and all you mindless sheep are too ignorant to realize what his reasoning for posting a message is. Since Orton is "in a better spot" and "well respected", Anderson is just HAS to be in the wrong. It's all about workrate and entertainment here. If it was me getting my co-worker fired from his job for an accident, you would all call me a dick. If it was Anderson getting Orton fired, and then got injured last night, you would all call him a dick. Fact. Don't even try to deny it or call me biased, I am clearly not. I'm willing to admit that both guys were wrong at some points but Anderson has every freakin' right to be pissed off about it. Orton can say what he wants, when he wants about Anderson being reckless and dangerous, and it's "funny" and "epic". But when Anderson opens his mouth, he's "bitter". You guys don't think at ALL, that's just good ol' WF being biased and playing favourites? I'm just glad atleast SOME people here have a brain in their heads. Sorry jSYN, I'd rebuke your argument- but it's just the same stuff you've been saying for the last year or so regurgitated. Oh, and yeah- you'd probably only hear sounds similar to this each and every time I talked anyway. Since you're so enlightened, and we're all just blind billies.
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Post by Sam on May 24, 2010 14:55:53 GMT -5
You guys seem to be forgetting that Orton got KENNEDY FIRED. He's not exactly going to be wishing him the best of luck in his future endeavors, you know? How is it tasteless? How is it out-of-line? If a guy got you fired, would you care, or be worried? Of course not. It's not about bitterness, or jealousy. Anderson lost his job because of him, and all you mindless sheep are too ignorant to realize what his reasoning for posting a message is. Since Orton is "in a better spot" and "well respected", Anderson is just HAS to be in the wrong. It's all about workrate and entertainment here. If it was me getting my co-worker fired from his job for an accident, you would all call me a dick. If it was Anderson getting Orton fired, and then got injured last night, you would all call him a dick. Fact. Don't even try to deny it or call me biased, I am clearly not. I'm willing to admit that both guys were wrong at some points but Anderson has every freakin' right to be pissed off about it. Orton can say what he wants, when he wants about Anderson being reckless and dangerous, and it's "funny" and "epic". But when Anderson opens his mouth, he's "bitter". You guys don't think at ALL, that's just good ol' WF being biased and playing favourites? I'm just glad atleast SOME people here have a brain in their heads. But what makes it right for Anderson to say that then? I want to know what makes it okay for someone to get a kick out of someone getting injured because of what happened a year ago to them. You would think Anderson would be over it now. But hey, Orton got him fired, so lets all have a party over it! YAY! HE GOT INJURED! As much as I like Anderson, you can't expect me to think he has every right to smile and say "karma's a bitch". Sorry, "Kharma".
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Post by Joey Cush on May 24, 2010 15:01:32 GMT -5
So uhh... back to Orton? Who gives a flying about Anderson? He has his own thread here...
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Post by Sam on May 24, 2010 15:03:39 GMT -5
So uhh... back to Orton? Who gives a flying about Anderson? He has his own thread here... Well, what we know now is, he could of injured it the day before at a house show. He is a video: He favors the right arm, which he also favored last night at Over The Limit.
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Post by sean™ on May 24, 2010 15:09:24 GMT -5
Do we have to have this debate again? Even Mr. Ken Anderson HIMSELF has stated in interviews that Orton wasn't the only one that complained about him. Everyone from the Dirt Sheets, to Orton, to Anderson has stated after the match that Orton WAS NOT the only one that said something to the higher ups. Hell, Orton isn't even the only person that's had a talk to after Kennedy's matches. Pretty sure HHH and HBK had a little talk with him as well.
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Post by The Future on May 24, 2010 15:09:59 GMT -5
So uhh... back to Orton? Who gives a flying about Anderson? He has his own thread here... Case in point- bad craphappens to you, when you stop wearing black wrist tape.
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Post by thegenius on May 24, 2010 15:50:43 GMT -5
You guys seem to be forgetting that Orton got KENNEDY FIRED. He's not exactly going to be wishing him the best of luck in his future endeavors, you know? How is it tasteless? How is it out-of-line? If a guy got you fired, would you care, or be worried? Of course not. It's not about bitterness, or jealousy. Anderson lost his job because of him, and all you mindless sheep are too ignorant to realize what his reasoning for posting a message is. Since Orton is "in a better spot" and "well respected", Anderson is just HAS to be in the wrong. It's all about workrate and entertainment here. If it was me getting my co-worker fired from his job for an accident, you would all call me a dick. If it was Anderson getting Orton fired, and then got injured last night, you would all call him a dick. Fact. Don't even try to deny it or call me biased, I am clearly not. I'm willing to admit that both guys were wrong at some points but Anderson has every freakin' right to be pissed off about it. Orton can say what he wants, when he wants about Anderson being reckless and dangerous, and it's "funny" and "epic". But when Anderson opens his mouth, he's "bitter". You guys don't think at ALL, that's just good ol' WF being biased and playing favourites? I'm just glad atleast SOME people here have a brain in their heads. But what makes it right for Anderson to say that then? I want to know what makes it okay for someone to get a kick out of someone getting injured because of what happened a year ago to them. You would think Anderson would be over it now. But hey, Orton got him fired, so lets all have a party over it! YAY! HE GOT INJURED! As much as I like Anderson, you can't expect me to think he has every right to smile and say "karma's a bitch". Sorry, "Kharma". If somebody s your girlfriend, do you... A. punch them in the face and hope for the worst, or B. Kiss them on the cheek and say "Oh hey man, whats done is done, can't change it now"? Exactly. Why would he be over it? He lost him his job. Besides he could have very well been f*cking with the internet, since he says later on "Congrats to Bret Michaels, it couldn't have happened to a NICER GUY!!"
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Post by sean™ on May 24, 2010 16:09:01 GMT -5
Or maybe he's just putting that out there as a safety net, so he can pretend he never meant anything towards Orton and pretend to be the bigger man despite clearly not being over the issue.
There's also one little issue with his comments. They were posted right around when Orton got hurt. The injury happened roughly around 9:42, based on the PPV starting at 8PM. Celebrity Apprentence didn't start until 9PM, and ended around 11PM. Therefor, there's no way those comments could be directed towards Bret winning, because he hadn't even won yet.
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Post by Sam on May 24, 2010 16:15:38 GMT -5
But what makes it right for Anderson to say that then? I want to know what makes it okay for someone to get a kick out of someone getting injured because of what happened a year ago to them. You would think Anderson would be over it now. But hey, Orton got him fired, so lets all have a party over it! YAY! HE GOT INJURED! As much as I like Anderson, you can't expect me to think he has every right to smile and say "karma's a bitch". Sorry, "Kharma". If somebody s your girlfriend, do you... A. punch them in the face and hope for the worst, or B. Kiss them on the cheek and say "Oh hey man, whats done is done, can't change it now"? Exactly. Why would he be over it? He lost him his job. Besides he could have very well been f*cking with the internet, since he says later on "Congrats to Bret Michaels, it couldn't have happened to a NICER GUY!!" Well, lets see. The girlfriend example is completely different on so many levels. That would stay in your memory forever. Getting fired because not one, but a few people have complained about how bad your work is different. You would be bitter, pissed off and annoyed for months then it will slowly fad away and you would move on in life. You act like Anderson is the only person to have this done to him. It happens in any job you get. If your a bad worker, your going to get reported. And yes, it could of been him messing with the internet, if you had said that to begin with, we wouldn't be in this right now.
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Post by thegenius on May 24, 2010 16:18:22 GMT -5
Or maybe he's just putting that out there as a safety net, so he can pretend he never meant anything towards Orton and pretend to be the bigger man despite clearly not being over the issue. There's also one little issue with his comments. They were posted right around when Orton got hurt. The injury happened roughly around 9:42, based on the PPV starting at 8PM. Celebrity Apprentence didn't start until 9PM, and ended around 11PM. Therefor, there's no way those comments could be directed towards Bret winning, because he hadn't even won yet. That was the point... he was obviously watching the PPV and saw Orton got injured. So he said "Great, gonna post this on twitter now to with the IWC and make up an excuse later lol." and then he got all the dirt sheets talking (Much like Matt Hardy does). Safe to say, it worked. And even if he was still bitter, damn right he should be. Orton never apologized, or got him his job back. If I was him, I would feel the exact same way. Anderson apologised for dropping him wrong. And said that he would watch it next time, Orton obviously said "there won't be a next time" and pressed the button. But hey, WF. Accidents happen!... unless you're Ken Anderson. Then you're automatically sloppy, sh*t and bitter. Hell, he MAY even be a little jealous!
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Post by sean™ on May 24, 2010 16:22:50 GMT -5
Or maybe he's just putting that out there as a safety net, so he can pretend he never meant anything towards Orton and pretend to be the bigger man despite clearly not being over the issue. There's also one little issue with his comments. They were posted right around when Orton got hurt. The injury happened roughly around 9:42, based on the PPV starting at 8PM. Celebrity Apprentence didn't start until 9PM, and ended around 11PM. Therefor, there's no way those comments could be directed towards Bret winning, because he hadn't even won yet. That was the point... he was obviously watching the PPV and saw Orton got injured. So he said "Great, gonna post this on twitter now to with the IWC and make up an excuse later lol." and then he got all the dirt sheets talking (Much like Matt Hardy does). Safe to say, it worked. And even if he was still bitter, damn right he should be. Orton never apologized, or got him his job back. If I was him, I would feel the exact same way. Anderson apologised for dropping him wrong. And said that he would watch it next time, Orton obviously said "there won't be a next time" and pressed the button. But hey, WF. Accidents happen!... unless you're Ken Anderson. Then you're automatically sloppy, sh*t and bitter. Hell, he MAY even be a little jealous! The accusations and "facts" that you just pull out of thin air never cease to amaze me. Once again, you are completely ignoring the fact that OTHER PEOPLE including Orton got Kennedy fired. NOT JUST ORTON. Where is the backstage video of the whole thing? Because unless you have something like that, you are simply going off the same info all of us are. And the same info all of us have is that ORTON WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT SAID SOMETHING. Cena said something. HBK said something. HHH said something. If either of them got injured last night, would he have said the same thing? No.
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Post by thegenius on May 24, 2010 16:29:01 GMT -5
That was the point... he was obviously watching the PPV and saw Orton got injured. So he said "Great, gonna post this on twitter now to with the IWC and make up an excuse later lol." and then he got all the dirt sheets talking (Much like Matt Hardy does). Safe to say, it worked. And even if he was still bitter, damn right he should be. Orton never apologized, or got him his job back. If I was him, I would feel the exact same way. Anderson apologised for dropping him wrong. And said that he would watch it next time, Orton obviously said "there won't be a next time" and pressed the button. But hey, WF. Accidents happen!... unless you're Ken Anderson. Then you're automatically sloppy, sh*t and bitter. Hell, he MAY even be a little jealous! The accusations and "facts" that you just pull out of thin air never cease to amaze me. Once again, you are completely ignoring the fact that OTHER PEOPLE including Orton got Kennedy fired. NOT JUST ORTON. Where is the backstage video of the whole thing? Because unless you have something like that, you are simply going off the same info all of us are. And the same info all of us have is that ORTON WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT SAID SOMETHING. Cena said something. HBK said something. HHH said something. If either of them got injured last night, would he have said the same thing? No. Nope, I'm going off various interviews that Ken Anderson and Randy Orton did. Not "articles" where people put words into his mouth or flat-out LIED. He never said HBK said anything, he thought he had a problem with him and asked him about it and HBK said there was none. Same with Triple H. He said Cena said something, but that's it. Obviously Cena is still bitter about him injuring his arm on a move HE DELIVERED, 2 years prior. Same thing with Orton. I remember William Regal dropped Orton on his head in 2008, in England and I didn't hear him complaining to the office about it. Why? Cause Regal is Triple H's boy and he wouldn't dare. In my opinion, it is a dick move to get somebody, especially a supposed friend fired because of an accident. I would never do that, and it amazes me that people think it's the right thing to do. In a combat sport, accidents happen. Funny how when Anderson supposedly sprains his arm, people call him injury prone and a liability, yet when Orton does it, it's "accidents happen, I wish him the best". This forum is a bunch of hypocrites.
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Post by sean™ on May 24, 2010 16:51:31 GMT -5
You do realize that the reaction Kennedy got was because HE JUST CAME BACK FROM INJURY, right? As in, he spent almost the majority of his WWE time on the self, finally came back, and appeared to be injured again. Bias or unbias, it would be easy for anyone to wonder based on those facts.
You keep using words like "obviously" and it's really making me question if you know what it means. Because hearsay....is not obvious. Jumping to a conclusion based off of some facts you happen to have....is not obvious. Therefor, Cena being "bitter" about his arm injury is in no way obvious.
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Post by rkokixas on May 24, 2010 17:17:58 GMT -5
Yeah JSYN,Kennedy is a great source to believe in what he says("I never did roids.").Kennedy is just bitter because he's in the minors(TNA) and his slopiness is the reason why.And how do you know Orton didnt apologize to him?Was you there?
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on May 24, 2010 17:27:14 GMT -5
You guys seem to be forgetting that Orton got KENNEDY FIRED. He's not exactly going to be wishing him the best of luck in his future endeavors, you know? How is it tasteless? How is it out-of-line? If a guy got you fired, would you care, or be worried? Of course not. It's not about bitterness, or jealousy. Anderson lost his job because of him, and all you mindless sheep are too ignorant to realize what his reasoning for posting a message is. Since Orton is "in a better spot" and "well respected", Anderson is just HAS to be in the wrong. It's all about workrate and entertainment here. If it was me getting my co-worker fired from his job for an accident, you would all call me a dick. If it was Anderson getting Orton fired, and then got injured last night, you would all call him a dick. Fact. Don't even try to deny it or call me biased, I am clearly not. I'm willing to admit that both guys were wrong at some points but Anderson has every freakin' right to be pissed off about it. Orton can say what he wants, when he wants about Anderson being reckless and dangerous, and it's "funny" and "epic". But when Anderson opens his mouth, he's "bitter". You guys don't think at ALL, that's just good ol' WF being biased and playing favourites? I'm just glad atleast SOME people here have a brain in their heads. I'll admit, Orton does have injury tendencies, but he doesn't get injuries rapid-fire, like Anderson. Anderson was hurt numerous times, endangered others with his work and endangering(Or as you would say, ALMOST hurt) then-WWE Champion Randy Orton. Ken had chances, he was seen ultimately as a liability, and thus he was fired. Vince didn't say "Oh, Orton said he was dangerous so he's gone." It was a lot of things and that Maneuver was the last straw. Also, the reason we make fun of Anderson now is it's been a damn year since whatever happened to get him fired happened. Is Anderson really so bad off in TNA now he feels the need to enjoy another human in WWE getting injured, minutes after it happened? Everyone else is over it, well, accept you, but he feels the need to comment negatively on an injury? How does that not sound bitter and to me, just a tad of envy. Moving on, it will be interesting to see what WWE does with the Fatal 4 Way Match. Maybe Batista's talked into one last Match?
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