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Post by priceless on Jul 7, 2010 9:05:03 GMT -5
who do you think are the top five of the five weight classes?
i personally think the following
Heavyweight:
1. Brock Lesnar
2. Cain Velasquez
3. Shane Carwin
4. Frank Mir
5. Junior Dos Santos
Light Heavyweight
1. Shogun Rua
2. Rashad Evans
3. Lyoto Machida
4. Rampage Jackson
5. Thiago Silva
Middleweight
1. Anderson Silva
2. Nate Marquart
3. Chael Sonnen
4. Vitor Belfort
5. Demian Maia
Welterweight
1. Georges st. Pierre
2. Jon Fitch
3. Thiago Alves
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Dan Hardy
Lightweight
1. Bj Penn(even though he isnt champ, i think hes still number one)
2. Frankie Edgar
3. Kenny Florian
4. Gray Maynard
5. Tyson Griffin
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Post by roflstomp on Jul 7, 2010 10:22:47 GMT -5
Heavyweight:
Brock Lesnar
Cain Velasquez
Shane Carwin
Junior dos Santos
Frank Mir / Roy Nelson
Light Heavyweight:
Mauricio Rua
Lyoto Machida
Rashad Evans
Quinton Jackson
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Middleweight:
Anderson Silva
Chael Sonnen
Vitor Belfort
Nate Marquardt
Demian Maia / Alan Belcher
Welterweight:
Georges St. Pierre
Jon Fitch
Thiago Alves
Dan Hardy
Josh Koscheck / Martin Kampmann
Lightweight:
Frankie Edgar
BJ Penn
Kenny Florian
Gray Maynard
George Sotiropolous / Evan Dunham / Sean Sherk / Tyson Griffin
Most of the #5's are based on recent performances, or in Sherk's case, name value.
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Post by 2345 on Jul 7, 2010 10:33:34 GMT -5
Heavyweight:
1. Brock Lesnar
2. Cain Velasquez
3. Shane Carwin
4. Junior Dos Santos
5. Frank Mir
Light Heavyweight
1. Shogun Rua
2. Rashad Evans
3. Rampage Jackson
4. Lyoto Machida
5. Thiago Silva
Middleweight
1. Anderson Silva
2. Vitor Belfort
3. Chael Sonnen
4. Nate Marquart
5. Demian Maia
Welterweight
1. Georges st. Pierre
2. Jon Fitch
3. Thiago Alves
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Dan Hardy
Lightweight
1. Bj Penn
2. Frankie Edgar
3. Kenny Florian
4. Gray Maynard
5. Joe Stevenson
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Post by ville on Jul 7, 2010 11:49:06 GMT -5
I don't think Thiago gets to be in the top five also Machida should always be above Rampage. Also Mir should be below JDS.
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Post by hammer on Jul 7, 2010 13:39:07 GMT -5
heavyweight:
1. lesnar
2. carwin
3. velasquez
4. dos santos
5. mir
light heavyweight:
1. rua
2. machida
3. evans
4. lil nog
5. bones
middleweight:
1. silva
2. belfort
3. sonnen
4. marquardt
5. belcher
welterweight:
1. gsp
2. kos
3. alves
4. fitch
5. hardy
lightweight:
1. edgar
2. penn
3. sotiropoulos
4. florian
5. maynard
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 7, 2010 21:30:12 GMT -5
HEAVYWEIGHT:
1. Brock Lesnar
2. Cain Velasquez
3. Junior dos Santos
4. Roy Nelson
5. Shane Carwin
LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT:
1. Mauricio Rua
2. Lyoto Machida
3. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
4. Rashad Evans
5. Forrest Griffin
MIDDLEWEIGHT:
1. Anderson Silva
2. Chael Sonnen
3. Nate Marquardt
4. Demian Maia
5. Vitor Belfort
WELTERWEIGHT:
1. Georges St-Pierre
2. Jon Fitch
3. Thaigo Alves
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Martin Kampmann
LIGHTWEIGHT:
1. Frankie Edgar
2. BJ Penn
3. Kenny Florian
4. Gray Maynard
5. Evan Dunham
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 8, 2010 3:35:38 GMT -5
For everyone who is picking Edgar over Penn...
If you were forced to put $100 of your own money on the line, in an even-money bet, where you had to choose the winner of the Edgar/Penn rematch... Would you really pick Edgar?
If you would, cool. But I'm going to guess that the vast majority of people are picking Edgar simply because he won the first fight, and not because they legitimately believe he's the better fighter.
I don't want to make a Matt Serra/GSP comparison because I feel like Edgar is a lot closer to Penn's level than Serra was to GSP's when he beat him... But I think there has to be some sort of consideration made for a fluky victory.
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 8, 2010 4:04:19 GMT -5
The only defense I have for Edgar being over Penn is because he has the strap.
And, for the record, I'm not picking Edgar in the rematch. Even though I have been training partners and kind of friends with Edgar, I don't think he'll be as lucky as he was in the rematch.
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Post by hammer on Jul 8, 2010 8:00:25 GMT -5
The only defense I have for Edgar being over Penn is because he has the strap. And, for the record, I'm not picking Edgar in the rematch. Even though I have been training partners and kind of friends with Edgar, I don't think he'll be as lucky as he was in the rematch. same... aside from the training partners thing. i only put him 1st because hes the champ. |
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 8, 2010 15:57:22 GMT -5
But I guess that begs the question -- why does the champion automatically get the #1 ranking, even if you don't believe he's as good as a guy who you rank BELOW him?
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Post by James Hetfield on Jul 8, 2010 16:24:14 GMT -5
In that case, I shouldn't even rank Lesnar.  |
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 8, 2010 16:30:05 GMT -5
In that case, I shouldn't even rank Lesnar. I just think that rankings should be who you think is the best. Even if a guy is coming off of back-to-back losses, if you legitimately believe he's the BEST, then you should rank him that way. |
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Post by hammer on Jul 9, 2010 14:20:26 GMT -5
But I guess that begs the question -- why does the champion automatically get the #1 ranking, even if you don't believe he's as good as a guy who you rank BELOW him? fair point, but i think the champ gets the benefit of the doubt. to your point, i did think bj even won the first fight... but that said, i also believe jon jones could beat shogun. i suppose i was more or less ranking them on where i think they would be ranked, if there was a ranking system. then again maybe not, since velasquez would obviously be #2 at heavyweight, and i ranked carwin ahead of him. perhaps i was simply inconsistent with my thoughts on how to rank it. your point is a fair one. |
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 9, 2010 14:24:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess the question is whether you're ranking them based on how you think UFC ranks them; or how YOU personally rank them...
To me, I don't really care how UFC ranks them.
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