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Post by K5 on Aug 9, 2010 19:34:35 GMT -5
i think anderson was lucky as well.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 9, 2010 20:27:47 GMT -5
i think anderson was lucky as well. Why? He was trying the triangle the whole entire fight and got it at the end.
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Post by Bartman on Aug 9, 2010 20:48:50 GMT -5
I think the only thing lucky was him getting it on WHEN he did.
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Aug 9, 2010 21:27:27 GMT -5
This is how I see it: Frankie beat Penn, and when watching live, thought Frankie was winning. I don't think there is any need for an imediate rematch, as Frankie obviously was the better fighter that night. Penn should earn his rematch (and yes, I do think Frankie will win again). HOWEVER, Silva was pretty much untouchable his entire UFC career, and for Chael Sonnen, a guy about 95 percent of the MMA world said had no chance went out there and pummeled Silva for 5 rounds until Silva locked in a triangle to submit him. If BJ Penn is getting an automatic rematch, Chael Sonnen, without a doubt, should be too. And people saying Silva "got lucky" (and this is coming from one of the biggest Chael Sonnen fans on here), he didn't. Silva is one of the smartest fighters, and you could tell that entire 5th round he was waiting to lock in either a triangle or armbar, whichever would give first. Silva WON that night, but Sonnen backed up EVERYTHING he said he was going to do, and then some. He made Silva look like a human being. No man can say they did that, except Sonnen. That's why he should get a rematch. And for anyone who says that isn't marketable is INSANE. That would be one of the highest bought fights, at least in my opinion. How I see it is that Sonnen lost to Silva. . therefore no immediate rematch. have him fight Okami or Leben first. How does that make any sense? You just said "Sonnen lost to Silva so no immediate rematch." Yet, Penn LOST and is getting an IMMEDIATE rematch, and Sonnen was more dominate then Penn.
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Aug 9, 2010 21:28:28 GMT -5
i think anderson was lucky as well. Why? He was trying the triangle the whole entire fight and got it at the end. EXACTLY. I do believe Sonnen should get a rematch and I'm a HUGE Sonnen fan, but that was not luck. During the 4th and 5th he was clearly going for either and armbar or a triangle. Not luck.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 9, 2010 21:36:37 GMT -5
How I see it is that Sonnen lost to Silva. . therefore no immediate rematch. have him fight Okami or Leben first. How does that make any sense? You just said "Sonnen lost to Silva so no immediate rematch." Yet, Penn LOST and is getting an IMMEDIATE rematch, and Sonnen was more dominate then Penn. Penn lost a controversial decision. Sonnen was submitted.
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Aug 9, 2010 21:41:18 GMT -5
How does that make any sense? You just said "Sonnen lost to Silva so no immediate rematch." Yet, Penn LOST and is getting an IMMEDIATE rematch, and Sonnen was more dominate then Penn. Penn lost a controversial decision. Sonnen was submitted. I don't think it was controversial at all. I honestly expected a unanimous decision for Frank.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 9, 2010 21:49:23 GMT -5
Penn lost a controversial decision. Sonnen was submitted. I don't think it was controversial at all. I honestly expected a unanimous decision for Frank. Guess you didn't pay attention to the fight.
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Post by 1992 on Aug 9, 2010 23:22:39 GMT -5
I don't think it was controversial at all. I honestly expected a unanimous decision for Frank. Guess you didn't pay attention to the fight. Honestly. Unanimous? Really? REALLY?
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Post by Bartman on Aug 10, 2010 2:07:24 GMT -5
Guess you didn't pay attention to the fight. Honestly. Unanimous? Really? REALLY? Let alone a 50-45 score, which was like, wtf?
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 10, 2010 3:04:32 GMT -5
How does that make any sense? You just said "Sonnen lost to Silva so no immediate rematch." Yet, Penn LOST and is getting an IMMEDIATE rematch, and Sonnen was more dominate then Penn. Penn lost a controversial decision. Sonnen was submitted. How was it controversial? Penn didn't do enough to win that fight - that much was evident. Controversial, would have been Edgar not winning. Penn doesn't deserve an immediate rematch at all.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 10, 2010 3:23:21 GMT -5
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Post by DWright on Aug 10, 2010 4:08:03 GMT -5
SO glad that was posted. God this board amazes me sometimes.
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Post by James Hetfield on Aug 10, 2010 4:37:11 GMT -5
I figured it was clear that Penn landed more strikes. Edgar was a bit more aggressive and flashy, so I guess that's what the judges looked at.
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Post by Greensborohill on Aug 10, 2010 7:09:29 GMT -5
How I see it is that Sonnen lost to Silva. . therefore no immediate rematch. have him fight Okami or Leben first. How does that make any sense? You just said "Sonnen lost to Silva so no immediate rematch." Yet, Penn LOST and is getting an IMMEDIATE rematch, and Sonnen was more dominate then Penn. Because there's no arguing that Sonnen lost. He tapped. I wish he had won, I really do. I hate Silva's guts, but Sonnen got finished. You can't debate that. He was finished and therefore there is no debating who won the fight. Edgar/Penn can be argued. I don't care to argue it because it's a moot point, but it was argued for weeks afterwards and therefore it's easier to say. . . hey let's make them fight again. Same with Shogun/Machida . . . it was a iffy decision so they made them fight again. Sonnen/Silva & Russow/Duffee were finishes, it's a slap in the face to the winners of those matches to have to fight them again. Make Sonnen win one match before he gets Silva again. Make it Marquart, Belfort, or Wandy, but he shouldn't get an immediate rematch when he go finished.
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Post by ville on Aug 10, 2010 12:47:32 GMT -5
I swear to god I have to stay off here because some of you guys are ing stupid.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 10, 2010 13:07:46 GMT -5
Seriously, anyone who says Penn doesn't deserve an immediate rematch with Edgar is quite obviously a ridiculous hater.
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Post by 1992 on Aug 10, 2010 19:25:31 GMT -5
The Penn/Edgar decision was as much a bull**** call as was Shogun/Machida I.
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Aug 10, 2010 20:35:35 GMT -5
I don't think it was controversial at all. I honestly expected a unanimous decision for Frank. Guess you didn't pay attention to the fight. I DID pay attention to the fight...Edgar was more controlling on the ground and his stand up looked better then Penns. How am I wrong for saying "I saw a unanimous dec." when one judge saw it 50-45. I don't think Edgar won all the rounds, and I'm not saying a split decision was a bad call, but I don't think Penn deserves an automatic rematch. It was not that close.
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Aug 10, 2010 20:37:22 GMT -5
How does that make any sense? You just said "Sonnen lost to Silva so no immediate rematch." Yet, Penn LOST and is getting an IMMEDIATE rematch, and Sonnen was more dominate then Penn. Because there's no arguing that Sonnen lost. He tapped. I wish he had won, I really do. I hate Silva's guts, but Sonnen got finished. You can't debate that. He was finished and therefore there is no debating who won the fight. Edgar/Penn can be argued. I don't care to argue it because it's a moot point, but it was argued for weeks afterwards and therefore it's easier to say. . . hey let's make them fight again. Same with Shogun/Machida . . . it was a iffy decision so they made them fight again. Sonnen/Silva & Russow/Duffee were finishes, it's a slap in the face to the winners of those matches to have to fight them again. Make Sonnen win one match before he gets Silva again. Make it Marquart, Belfort, or Wandy, but he shouldn't get an immediate rematch when he go finished. As I've said earlier, Sonnen lost. And Silva didn't get lucky. He was looking for the triangle for the entire 5th round. I don't think Penn deserves an automatic rematch at all, and this IS coming from a BJ Penn fan. Maynard deserved the shot, but he isn't all that marketable.
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