MikeMillenium
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Post by MikeMillenium on Aug 15, 2010 23:12:36 GMT -5
Yeah NWO would've been destroyed, but the Nexus has been around a lot longer than 10-15 minutes. Can't compare the two like it's concrete evidence. Barrett didn't tap out to a wristlock. It was John Cena's STF, the same STF that has made HHH, Edge, Shawn Michaels, Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho tap out on multiple occasions. The WWE can easily book the Nexus getting retribution if they choose so. Or they can end the group and it would be the end of Nexus. It depends on how WWE decides to book it. Tonight did not make them look weak at all in my opinion. Hall and Nash were around for like 6 weeks before their first match... plus, they had instant credibility because they were already established main event stars. The Nexus has pretty much nothing to show anymore except a win over Mark Henry. I agree that they can eventually regain their credbility, but it's going to take close to flawless booking of them. Nothing to show? There's been a common thread between a few of today's WWE stars (Orton, Sheamus, even HHH) and that is taking people put. The announcers and the WWE worked so hard to put them over based on the fact that they have taken people out. How many times will we hear that Sheamus took out HHH? What bout Orton? He was the Legend Killer, and reprised the gimmick in a more dastardly way in 2007, adding the DDT and Punt to his moveset. Now how often did they try to put over the Nexus based on who they have taken out? They've attacked multiple superstars (Morrison, Cena, Bourne, Henry, Hart Dynasty, Mr. McMahon, Steamboat, Bret Hart) and they've been put over as being dangerous threats to the WWE. It sounds like to me your basing this off the fact that none of them have really shown any in-ring skills, besides Barrett's win over Mark Henry. I think if the WWE was in jeopardy, the Nexus had enough steam to where a single loss doesn't do permanent damage to them. They didn't main event for nothing. And they didn't do everything they did, with little credibility and only a single win over Mark Henry.
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Post by totti on Aug 15, 2010 23:12:49 GMT -5
im sure that cobra commander told me that danielson was never going back and that he sucked.
yup.
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Post by spreedom8 on Aug 15, 2010 23:16:19 GMT -5
also, comparing this situation to "what if the nWo got schooled" is ridiculous. the nWo were established stars like Hall, Nash and Hogan. the Nexus are a bunch of essentially nobodys who were on a show about rookies competing for a contract. completely different. i was actually completely expecting the Nexus to get destroyed this match, they put up more of a fight than i expected. I'd argue that the Nexus needed this win more than the nWo needed theirs, and I think BATB '96 is one of the top 5 PPVs ever. And what they went on to accomplish after that huge "win" (it was technically a no-decision but clearly they came out on top) over the next 18 months changed wrestling. Now what the hell are the Nexus guys going to do? Even tomorrow night on RAW? Come out and talk about how they almost beat John Cena's team? How they had interference from the Miz, turmoil with Jericho and Edge, and gave Cena a 2-on-1 beatdown outside of the ring before losing? After the DDT on the floor, they didn't hit a single offensive move. They missed one, and Barrett didn't lay a finger on Cena before getting locked in the STF and tapping in the middle of the ring. If they would have won, there could have been an electric atmosphere on RAW tomorrow night... there could have been a big semi-rematch main event where maybe Cena goes over, but now the Nexus has absolutely nothing to show for the past two months. They bullied wrestlers and then couldn't beat a dysfunctional team that was thrown together two weeks before the PPV. Nexus came across as complete goofs tonight. Hell, Skip Sheffield was the only one on the team that was booked to look dominant or imposing at all, but that was only between comments on how cross-eyed he looked. Every minute I continue to think about this, the more it seems like it was a surprise just to have a surprise, and not done for the purpose of telling a compelling underdog story.
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Post by spreedom8 on Aug 15, 2010 23:24:45 GMT -5
Hall and Nash were around for like 6 weeks before their first match... plus, they had instant credibility because they were already established main event stars. The Nexus has pretty much nothing to show anymore except a win over Mark Henry. I agree that they can eventually regain their credbility, but it's going to take close to flawless booking of them. Nothing to show? There's been a common thread between a few of today's WWE stars (Orton, Sheamus, even HHH) and that is taking people put. The announcers and the WWE worked so hard to put them over based on the fact that they have taken people out. How many times will we hear that Sheamus took out HHH? What bout Orton? He was the Legend Killer, and reprised the gimmick in a more dastardly way in 2007, adding the DDT and Punt to his moveset.Now how often did they try to put over the Nexus based on who they have taken out? They've attacked multiple superstars (Morrison, Cena, Bourne, Henry, Hart Dynasty, Mr. McMahon, Steamboat, Bret Hart) and they've been put over as being dangerous threats to the WWE. It sounds like to me your basing this off the fact that none of them have really shown any in-ring skills, besides Barrett's win over Mark Henry. I think if the WWE was in jeopardy, the Nexus had enough steam to where a single loss doesn't do permanent damage to them. They didn't main event for nothing. And they didn't do everything they did, with little credibility and only a single win over Mark Henry. The difference between those guys and the Nexus is that Orton, Sheamus, and certainly HHH were WINNING MATCHES along the way. They were winning World titles for Christ's sake. What if Sheamus came to RAW, won the one match against Jamie Noble, and went on to lose in feuds with Cena and HHH? Pretty sure he'd be a heatless midcarder by now. What if Orton called himself the Legend Killer and immediately lost a match to Jimmy Snuka or whoever? Remember when Rob Conway tried the "I'm a legend killer but I won't ever win" gimmick? Is he even active anymore? What if HHH was a superheel leader of DX in 2000 but never beat The Rock or Austin? Seriously, the Nexus went from the hottest gimmick in wrestling to a pretty weak looking group to me. And that really sucks. Cena gains absolutely nothing from this win, whereas it would have been career-making material for Wade Barrett. But instead he looked like the biggest idiot in the world when he ran in the ring and didn't hit a single move on Cena.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Aug 16, 2010 0:00:09 GMT -5
also, comparing this situation to "what if the nWo got schooled" is ridiculous. the nWo were established stars like Hall, Nash and Hogan. the Nexus are a bunch of essentially nobodys who were on a show about rookies competing for a contract. completely different. i was actually completely expecting the Nexus to get destroyed this match, they put up more of a fight than i expected. I'd argue that the Nexus needed this win more than the nWo needed theirs, and I think BATB '96 is one of the top 5 PPVs ever. And what they went on to accomplish after that huge "win" (it was technically a no-decision but clearly they came out on top) over the next 18 months changed wrestling. Now what the hell are the Nexus guys going to do? Even tomorrow night on RAW? Come out and talk about how they almost beat John Cena's team? How they had interference from the Miz, turmoil with Jericho and Edge, and gave Cena a 2-on-1 beatdown outside of the ring before losing? After the DDT on the floor, they didn't hit a single offensive move. They missed one, and Barrett didn't lay a finger on Cena before getting locked in the STF and tapping in the middle of the ring. If they would have won, there could have been an electric atmosphere on RAW tomorrow night... there could have been a big semi-rematch main event where maybe Cena goes over, but now the Nexus has absolutely nothing to show for the past two months. They bullied wrestlers and then couldn't beat a dysfunctional team that was thrown together two weeks before the PPV. Nexus came across as complete goofs tonight. Hell, Skip Sheffield was the only one on the team that was booked to look dominant or imposing at all, but that was only between comments on how cross-eyed he looked. Every minute I continue to think about this, the more it seems like it was a surprise just to have a surprise, and not done for the purpose of telling a compelling underdog story. yes, i agree the Nexus needed this win. i'm just tired of people comparing them to the nWo all the time when they're pretty much nothing alike. aside from that they're a heel faction "against the grain". however, even though they needed it, i knew WWE wouldn't give it to them. and i'm indifferent because i don't find any of them charismatic, decent in the ring, or that they even have a good "look". granted, this is WWE's fault by not giving them anything decent, but it's just the facts with how they were handled leading up to this point. they were such non-threats to me that if they pulled out a win tonight i wouldn't have bought it. every time they met more than 4 people in the ring at once from team wwe they just seemed to panic and run away or WWE would clearly get the upper hand. and yeah, they took some people out, but never for long. i mean, they destroyed Bret Hart (it seemed) but he was back in time for SummerSlam? it didn't seem like they did much damage. Sheamus "took out" Triple H and he's been gone for months, so yeah, Sheamus is a more legitimate threat than any or all of the Nexus if you ask me. and honestly, are you really that surprised Super-Cena emerged to take care of the Nexus? this is a man who Jericho still hasn't cleanly beat. he's WWE's resident super hero. if he won't job to Jericho i highly doubt he'll job to a gang of thugs labeled as "rookies". my poor attitude toward the Nexus is WWE's fault, and they can't change my mind overnight with one big SummerSlam match i was expecting nothing for. it's going to take a lot to repair them.
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Post by jfinnomore on Aug 16, 2010 0:03:53 GMT -5
tonight i placed my finger on what the Nexus remind me of. default create-a-wrestlers. i care so little about them. also, comparing this situation to "what if the nWo got schooled" is ridiculous. the nWo were established stars like Hall, Nash and Hogan. the Nexus are a bunch of essentially nobodys who were on a show about rookies competing for a contract. completely different. i was actually completely expecting the Nexus to get destroyed this match, they put up more of a fight than i expected. perfectly said.
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MikeMillenium
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Post by MikeMillenium on Aug 16, 2010 1:25:04 GMT -5
Nothing to show? There's been a common thread between a few of today's WWE stars (Orton, Sheamus, even HHH) and that is taking people put. The announcers and the WWE worked so hard to put them over based on the fact that they have taken people out. How many times will we hear that Sheamus took out HHH? What bout Orton? He was the Legend Killer, and reprised the gimmick in a more dastardly way in 2007, adding the DDT and Punt to his moveset.Now how often did they try to put over the Nexus based on who they have taken out? They've attacked multiple superstars (Morrison, Cena, Bourne, Henry, Hart Dynasty, Mr. McMahon, Steamboat, Bret Hart) and they've been put over as being dangerous threats to the WWE. It sounds like to me your basing this off the fact that none of them have really shown any in-ring skills, besides Barrett's win over Mark Henry. I think if the WWE was in jeopardy, the Nexus had enough steam to where a single loss doesn't do permanent damage to them. They didn't main event for nothing. And they didn't do everything they did, with little credibility and only a single win over Mark Henry. The difference between those guys and the Nexus is that Orton, Sheamus, and certainly HHH were WINNING MATCHES along the way. They were winning World titles for Christ's sake. What if Sheamus came to RAW, won the one match against Jamie Noble, and went on to lose in feuds with Cena and HHH? Pretty sure he'd be a heatless midcarder by now. What if Orton called himself the Legend Killer and immediately lost a match to Jimmy Snuka or whoever? Remember when Rob Conway tried the "I'm a legend killer but I won't ever win" gimmick? Is he even active anymore? What if HHH was a superheel leader of DX in 2000 but never beat The Rock or Austin? Seriously, the Nexus went from the hottest gimmick in wrestling to a pretty weak looking group to me. And that really sucks. Cena gains absolutely nothing from this win, whereas it would have been career-making material for Wade Barrett. But instead he looked like the biggest idiot in the world when he ran in the ring and didn't hit a single move on Cena. I was just trying to say that the WWE is trying to put them over in the same way those other stars have. You can't say the WWE didn't make it believable that the Nexus might win. You can't say that you didn't think the Nexus was the best thing to happen for a while. I think the only reason that this one loss makes everyone think the Nexus is done is because they don't want the Nexus to lose. It wasn't their expected outcome, thus, it's shoddy and it makes you guys think less of the Nexus. It's almost as if the Nexus failed you and lost your (Not you personally, in general) trust in the fact that they can take over the WWE and win and become an unstoppable force. I am a big fan of the Nexus, and I expected them to win. They didn't. I still think they have a chance of being something big. But I mean come on, letting a group come in and take over. There's almost a moral/inspiring story here, of a group (WWE), throughout differences banding together to save the company. This was one of those situations where they felt the good guys just had to win it. I guess they didn't want to let their majority of fans down. But again, we just have to wait and see how WWE decides to book this. It's all up to them. There's always retribution sought, or re-matches. I just don't think this is a one-and-done. Nowadays, WWE is a lot less about the wrestling and more about the stories. The fact that Barrett didn't mount any offense once getting back in the match won't make a difference for the story, and it rarely does. Us veteran/hardcore (whatever you want to call it) wrestling fans are more caught up in the actual wrestling than the casual fans, so that's why one may see it as Barrett looking weak because he didn't mount any offense.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 16, 2010 1:30:07 GMT -5
im sure that cobra commander told me that danielson was never going back and that he sucked. yup. LOL
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Post by McBlake on Aug 16, 2010 2:01:01 GMT -5
What exactly did that now infamous WWE.com article say about Bryan? I'm actually incredibly glad I wasn't on the boards during the show, as I nearly pissed myself in shock. LOS ANGELES - The Miz really milked it. The United States Champion and Mr. Money in the Bank thought that he had Team WWE by the short and curlies. Before the 7-on-7 Tag Team Elimination Match, Miz even insisted on John Cena and Bret Hart begging him to join them. While Cena did appear on the TitanTron to address Miz, he wasn’t there to stroke The Cleveland Screamer’s ego. Instead, he informed the entire WWE Universe that Team WWE’s seventh man would be none other than a former member of The Nexus, Daniel Bryan. A humiliated Miz, Bryan’s former WWE Pro on season one of WWE NXT, went apoplectic at being slighted and let everyone within earshot know of his dissatisfaction. As for Bryan, he had one word to describe the development: Awesome!
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Aug 16, 2010 2:08:12 GMT -5
If Nexus doesn't win...I RIOT!! OK maybe not. I'm thinking implosion, shock, surprise & unanswered questions. Or not.
-Twitter.com/JRsBBQ
I found it funny, as it pretty much explains us after SSlam.
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Post by KrimV on Aug 16, 2010 2:30:57 GMT -5
I was glad to see Danielson is back! I'm also interested to see how the likely Miz/Danielson US Title feud will go (when was the last time Miz defended that thing??).
As for Nexus, they are not destroyed by one loss. I thought they all looked decent. I was surprised that Slater and Gabriel made it to the end. I thought it was more likely to be Otunga and Barrett left standing. They tried to make Slater look like one of the more powerful guys as he eliminated a couple (if I remember correctly), which was fine. But I think Nexus needs to start having more singles matches and less group beatdowns, maybe even have a couple of them make a run for the tag division.
Also, I was glad to see Jericho finally land the Lionsault again!
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Post by heartbreakkid2k3 on Aug 16, 2010 4:58:55 GMT -5
Remember, sometimes you look like a bigger star in defeat than you ever could in victory. Nexus isn't dead. Nexus isn't squashed. Nexus will make a huge impact tonight to keep things going. Don't slit your wrists yet.
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Post by hbkjason on Aug 16, 2010 4:59:44 GMT -5
After the first 30-40 mins I felt ripped off it was like I was paying to just watch RAW. The divas match was boring as hell the crowd was dead. However it sure as hell picked up with Show vs SES. Apart from the terrible oppening I really enjoyed the show. Was great to see Bret Hart kicking ass.
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Post by The Mac on Aug 16, 2010 5:01:12 GMT -5
Nexus will be back with all the season two guys lol! Jk.
I thought that Summerslam was pretty darn good this year, It sucked that Team Nexus got beaten but I hope WWE finds a way to still make them look strong and continue the storyline
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Post by wweuniverse47871 on Aug 16, 2010 5:36:01 GMT -5
maybe nexus will admit defeat on raw and go to smackdown and raise hell
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Post by Vintage ToneBoat on Aug 16, 2010 6:41:56 GMT -5
And cena is the hero ....theres something new. I like how he no sold the ddt on the concrete by spiringing to life in the ring.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 7:47:56 GMT -5
i wish cena and barrett had a good battle at the end, atleast put wade over a little bit to make him look like a legit competitor
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Post by Gazza on Aug 16, 2010 7:49:20 GMT -5
i wish cena and barrett had a good battle at the end, atleast put wade over a little bit to make him look like a legit competitor So Barrett leading nexus to destory cena and more WWE stars for weeks wasn't putting him over?
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Post by ttr23 on Aug 16, 2010 7:58:17 GMT -5
Superman overcomes the odds ONE MORE TIME.
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn.
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Post by Barrett on Aug 16, 2010 8:37:19 GMT -5
I know everyone's bitching about Nexus not picking up the win (well, at least I assume everyone's bitching about it - I haven't bothered to read through the thread, but I think I know WF well enough) but honestly for as good as that match was, it doesn't matter to me who came out on top. Sure, it didn't go exactly the way I had predicted but that doesn't mean the match was any less impressive. It was far better than I had expected, and had I been sitting in a chair I would've been on the edge of my seat. (As it were, I was laying on my bed.)
Plus, you've got to remember that for a lot of these Big Four PPVs, there's a tendency to have the faces come out on top, whether it seems like it's right for the story or not. (And for the love of God, don't cite every example of a heel winning at Summerslam. I said it's merely a tendency.) It seems like when WWE can't quite put a card together well, they'll have the faces win the majority of the event to fool the casual fan into thinking it was awesome since all of their favorites won. (See: Survivor Series '06 for the most extreme example.) So for that reason, I was pretty much expecting the Nexus to lose from the time the match was announced. I didn't want them to lose, but I was prepared for it. And the way it was done, IMO, doesn't hurt them that match. All it takes is one promo from Cena saying something to the extent of, "Last night, the WWE went to war with the Nexus; that rebel group that's been tearing the place apart for the last three months. Last night, they proved that they could stand toe-to-toe with the best that the WWE had to offer. However, they also showed that, despite what they may think, they're still rookies. They've still got a lot to learn. I'm sure this isn't the last we've heard of the Nexus, and the next time we step in the ring, they're going to be better prepared." And then he can go on a spiel about how the WWE needs to band together and ready themselves for the eventual, ultimate battle against the Nexus. Because what he saw last night was not a team united. And so on and so forth. Get what I'm saying? Then Nexus comes out at some point in the night with another attack followed by a promo declaring that last night was just a wrinkle in their plan, but it won't be enough to stop them because they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Let's remember, Barrett's got himself a world title match coming up within a month or so. I imagine that's the next thing to build to.
And one last thing, who else LOLd at Jericho slapping Cena and yelling, "You're a stupid man! A stupid, stupid man!"?
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