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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Aug 1, 2010 14:20:41 GMT -5
Yep, thought I'd ask this, if anyone knew of any controvertal decisions made about WM ME, like what they were supposed to be, what people wanted them to be, like for example WM15 was supposed to be Austin/Rock/Mankind, so yea, anyone have any of these, like for WM17, I mean can't see anything else better than Rock/Austin, but yea, was there gonna be another ME before Austin came back?
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Post by HugoOne on Aug 1, 2010 21:09:43 GMT -5
Let's seeeee...
Wrestlemania IV was supposed to have the Savage vs. Steamboat rematch in the tournament, but it didn't transpire. I don't remember exactly WHY it didn't happen, but I remember hearing Steamboat didn't like working with Savage. Savage needed every spot preplanned while Steamboat would rather work on the fly.
Wrestlemania VIII was rumored to be Hogan vs. Flair for the Championship. I don't know if it was ever penciled in or if it was just a strong rumor.
Wrestlemania IX was supposed to be Hulk Hogan dropping the belt to Bret Hart, but he wouldn't put Bret over, and ended up leaving the night with the WWF Championship anyway.
Wrestlemania XIII was supposed to be Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels in a rematch of XII, but Shawn was "injured" (depending on whether you believe him or not) and the match was changed. I BELIEVE, if that happened, they would have had Austin win the Championship at Final Four and defend against the Undertaker...but Austin got injured mid-match of Final Four and they changed the finish on the spot.
Wrestlemania XIV was going to be Bret Hart putting Steve Austin over for the WWE Championship, but craphappens, and Bret was gone 5 months before the PPV.
Wrestlemania XVII was rumored to have Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H but Shawn kept showing up in no condition to wrestle, being all pilled out, had a falling out, and 'Taker was thrown in place.
Wrestlemania XVIII was going to be Mr. Perfect vs. Kurt Angle, but Perfect was taken off the card after an incident. Airplane incident? I forget so much these days. I want to say Austin was supposed to take on Nash instead of Hall, but I'm not sure about that one.
Wrestlemania XXIII was supposed to be John Cena vs. Triple H in a rematch, but Triple H got injured in January, and Shawn filled in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2010 21:27:33 GMT -5
Let's seeeee... Wrestlemania IV was supposed to have the Savage vs. Steamboat rematch in the tournament, but it didn't transpire. I don't remember exactly WHY it didn't happen, but I remember hearing Steamboat didn't like working with Savage. Savage needed every spot preplanned while Steamboat would rather work on the fly. Wrestlemania VIII was rumored to be Hogan vs. Flair for the Championship. I don't know if it was ever penciled in or if it was just a strong rumor. Wrestlemania IX was supposed to be Hulk Hogan dropping the belt to Bret Hart, but he wouldn't put Bret over, and ended up leaving the night with the WWF Championship anyway. Wrestlemania XIII was supposed to be Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels in a rematch of XII, but Shawn was "injured" (depending on whether you believe him or not) and the match was changed. I BELIEVE, if that happened, they would have had Austin win the Championship at Final Four and defend against the Undertaker...but Austin got injured mid-match of Final Four and they changed the finish on the spot. Wrestlemania XIV was going to be Bret Hart putting Steve Austin over for the WWE Championship, but poop happens, and Bret was gone 5 months before the PPV. Wrestlemania XVII was rumored to have Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H but Shawn kept showing up in no condition to wrestle, being all pilled out, had a falling out, and 'Taker was thrown in place. I believe HBK was supposed to be the special guest referee
Wrestlemania XVIII was going to be Mr. Perfect vs. Kurt Angle, but Perfect was taken off the card after an incident. Airplane incident? I forget so much these days. I want to say Austin was supposed to take on Nash instead of Hall, but I'm not sure about that one. It was supposed to be Kane vs Nash
Wrestlemania XXIII was supposed to be John Cena vs. Triple H in a rematch, but Triple H got injured in January, and Shawn filled in. |
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Post by Erdrtyu on Aug 1, 2010 23:25:48 GMT -5
I may be way off here, but wasn't there a rumor that a heel Sgt Slaughter had to be removed from a WM card because of fear he would be assassinated?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 0:18:33 GMT -5
^^ Either that or they had to change arenas, I can't remember.
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Post by slappy on Aug 2, 2010 1:15:12 GMT -5
They changed arenas.
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Aug 2, 2010 3:27:35 GMT -5
Let's seeeee... Wrestlemania IV was supposed to have the Savage vs. Steamboat rematch in the tournament, but it didn't transpire. I don't remember exactly WHY it didn't happen, but I remember hearing Steamboat didn't like working with Savage. Savage needed every spot preplanned while Steamboat would rather work on the fly. Wrestlemania VIII was rumored to be Hogan vs. Flair for the Championship. I don't know if it was ever penciled in or if it was just a strong rumor. Wrestlemania IX was supposed to be Hulk Hogan dropping the belt to Bret Hart, but he wouldn't put Bret over, and ended up leaving the night with the WWF Championship anyway. Wrestlemania XIII was supposed to be Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels in a rematch of XII, but Shawn was "injured" (depending on whether you believe him or not) and the match was changed. I BELIEVE, if that happened, they would have had Austin win the Championship at Final Four and defend against the Undertaker...but Austin got injured mid-match of Final Four and they changed the finish on the spot. Wrestlemania XIV was going to be Bret Hart putting Steve Austin over for the WWE Championship, but poop happens, and Bret was gone 5 months before the PPV. Wrestlemania XVII was rumored to have Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H but Shawn kept showing up in no condition to wrestle, being all pilled out, had a falling out, and 'Taker was thrown in place. Wrestlemania XVIII was going to be Mr. Perfect vs. Kurt Angle, but Perfect was taken off the card after an incident. Airplane incident? I forget so much these days. I want to say Austin was supposed to take on Nash instead of Hall, but I'm not sure about that one. Wrestlemania XXIII was supposed to be John Cena vs. Triple H in a rematch, but Triple H got injured in January, and Shawn filled in. Thanks man, I've heard of quite a few of them, but Michaels/Trips at WMX7, that would have been cool, even if he was just to be a ref, that would still have been quite awesome, and thinking about WM13, if it had been Bret/Michaels, then what would have Austin did? Just a thought you know, if that hadn't of happened, then Autsin may have never gotten that big push |
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Post by koreygunz on Aug 2, 2010 8:21:57 GMT -5
Let's seeeee... Wrestlemania IV was supposed to have the Savage vs. Steamboat rematch in the tournament, but it didn't transpire. I don't remember exactly WHY it didn't happen, but I remember hearing Steamboat didn't like working with Savage. Savage needed every spot preplanned while Steamboat would rather work on the fly. Wrestlemania VIII was rumored to be Hogan vs. Flair for the Championship. I don't know if it was ever penciled in or if it was just a strong rumor. This was changed due to Hogan wanting to leave to go do movies. The original card had Hogan/Flair, Savage/Jake Roberts, and Undertaker/Sid. The card was then tweaked to what we got.Wrestlemania IX was supposed to be Hulk Hogan dropping the belt to Bret Hart, but he wouldn't put Bret over, and ended up leaving the night with the WWF Championship anyway. He was supposed to put Bret over at SummerSlam that year, but wouldnt. Wrestlemania XIII was supposed to be Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels in a rematch of XII, but Shawn was "injured" (depending on whether you believe him or not) and the match was changed. I BELIEVE, if that happened, they would have had Austin win the Championship at Final Four and defend against the Undertaker...but Austin got injured mid-match of Final Four and they changed the finish on the spot. I believe Bret was supposed to win the #1 contender spot at Final Four and face HBK at WM.Wrestlemania XIV was going to be Bret Hart putting Steve Austin over for the WWE Championship, but poop happens, and Bret was gone 5 months before the PPV. Wrestlemania XVII was rumored to have Shawn Michaels vs. Triple H but Shawn kept showing up in no condition to wrestle, being all pilled out, had a falling out, and 'Taker was thrown in place. Wrestlemania XVIII was going to be Mr. Perfect vs. Kurt Angle, but Perfect was taken off the card after an incident. Airplane incident? I forget so much these days. I want to say Austin was supposed to take on Nash instead of Hall, but I'm not sure about that one. Wrestlemania XXIII was supposed to be John Cena vs. Triple H in a rematch, but Triple H got injured in January, and Shawn filled in. |
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Post by Grapple Arcade on Aug 2, 2010 9:18:53 GMT -5
Let's seeeee... Wrestlemania IV was supposed to have the Savage vs. Steamboat rematch in the tournament, but it didn't transpire. I don't remember exactly WHY it didn't happen, but I remember hearing Steamboat didn't like working with Savage. Savage needed every spot preplanned while Steamboat would rather work on the fly. I heard that it may have also had something to do with Dragons wife was either preg or had given birth. Dragon requested time off to spend time with his new family, vince didnt understand why he needed this time off (lol). Steamboat was 100% certain he was going to take time off, and being dropped was Vince's answer to it. Thats what i heard anyway. Also, its not quite what you asked for but the words Wrestlemania and Controversial forced me to think of.. WM + Tyson. Very risky move of introducing tyson 3 years after being released from prison for sexual assault. Obviously it worked out, but wow. |
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Post by Infinite on Aug 2, 2010 13:56:35 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure wm 18 was supposed to be austin vs hogan, but it didnt work out for some reason, not sure why.
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Aug 2, 2010 14:24:34 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure wm 18 was supposed to be austin vs hogan, but it didnt work out for some reason, not sure why. Oh yea, wasn't it supposed to be because a finish couldn't be accepted, and they wouldn't do a DQ finsih to the big match at Mania. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 14:28:36 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure wm 18 was supposed to be austin vs hogan, but it didnt work out for some reason, not sure why. Oh yea, wasn't it supposed to be because a finish couldn't be accepted, and they wouldn't do a DQ finsih to the big match at Mania. a finish couldnt be agred on for Austin/Hogan.rumor is Hogan wanted 3 stunners to be finshed off and Austin wouldnt consent to it also Dibiase was supposed to win the strap at WM4 but becaiuse of the whole Honky/Macho Man affair it was changed-to this day there is heat between Honky and Dibiase over it |
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Post by Chester McFisticuffs on Aug 2, 2010 15:42:34 GMT -5
Oh yea, wasn't it supposed to be because a finish couldn't be accepted, and they wouldn't do a DQ finsih to the big match at Mania. a finish couldnt be agred on for Austin/Hogan.rumor is Hogan wanted 3 stunners to be finshed off and Austin wouldnt consent to it also Dibiase was supposed to win the strap at WM4 but becaiuse of the whole Honky/Macho Man affair it was changed-to this day there is heat between Honky and Dibiase over it Honky/Macho Man affair? Would you care to elaborate? |
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Post by slappy on Aug 2, 2010 19:14:26 GMT -5
a finish couldnt be agred on for Austin/Hogan.rumor is Hogan wanted 3 stunners to be finshed off and Austin wouldnt consent to it also Dibiase was supposed to win the strap at WM4 but becaiuse of the whole Honky/Macho Man affair it was changed-to this day there is heat between Honky and Dibiase over it Honky/Macho Man affair? Would you care to elaborate? Honky was supposed to drop the IC title to Macho Man, but refused so Macho won the World title tournament instead. |
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Post by Sam Hain on Aug 2, 2010 19:54:08 GMT -5
Appearently that was an inside joke. I heard Bret Hart explain it somewhere. Tickets weren't selling and the arena was going to be 3/4 empty since they had expected over 100,000 fans. An inside term for an empty arena in wrestling is a "bomb scare" so Vince changed venues and stated in a press release that the venue had to be changed due to a "bomb scare". |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2010 20:53:43 GMT -5
I still believe it's more likely true than not, but I'm still not entirely sold that Michaels backed out of WM13 solely because he was told he would have to "return the favor" to Bret. I don't think Vince knew he was going down that road by the time Michaels walked away. While Shawn probably saw the writing on the wall that Bret was about the only one he could work with (Undertaker was a face and they were kept away from each other, he just worked the last two main PPVs with Sid, Austin wasn't really ready, and Vader likely wouldn't work as a main event)... I think there was more than just not wanting to job to Bret. Again - I think it probably played a part, but have we ever heard anything from a decent source about this? I feel like it's just a rumor that's been around so long that it's now considered gospel.
Never heard about HBK/HHH - any source there?
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Aug 3, 2010 2:15:55 GMT -5
I still believe it's more likely true than not, but I'm still not entirely sold that Michaels backed out of WM13 solely because he was told he would have to "return the favor" to Bret. I don't think Vince knew he was going down that road by the time Michaels walked away. While Shawn probably saw the writing on the wall that Bret was about the only one he could work with (Undertaker was a face and they were kept away from each other, he just worked the last two main PPVs with Sid, Austin wasn't really ready, and Vader likely wouldn't work as a main event)... I think there was more than just not wanting to job to Bret. Again - I think it probably played a part, but have we ever heard anything from a decent source about this? I feel like it's just a rumor that's been around so long that it's now considered gospel. Never heard about HBK/HHH - any source there? Its one of many things i asked Bret when i was lucky enough to have the chance to speak to him,he said that was the case,i am sure he has been quoted on it several times in interviews aswell. I think even though Bret had beaten HBK dozens of times over the years, i feel that not getting his rematch against HBK really damaged his career. I tell you what,i know the match kept getting pushed back till survivor series when Bret was leaving,but it would have been awesome to see they two headline loads more PPVs in the WWF. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 5:41:48 GMT -5
a finish couldnt be agred on for Austin/Hogan.rumor is Hogan wanted 3 stunners to be finshed off and Austin wouldnt consent to it also Dibiase was supposed to win the strap at WM4 but becaiuse of the whole Honky/Macho Man affair it was changed-to this day there is heat between Honky and Dibiase over it Honky/Macho Man affair? Would you care to elaborate? yes I would!!! Honky disliked the manner in which he was to drop the IC title to Savage and refused to do it.he said he was brought to a meeting and the layout of the match was bad/to short and that he was ignored during it.he later rang JCP about employement etc and Vince cleared things up with him.......however Vinces plan for Macho domination continued and he was penned in to win WM4 instead of Dibiase later when he was asked to job to Warrior he said Vinnie was very different about it.... and explained he needed to push Warrior as Hogans replacement soon in a lengthy meeting. of course this is when the IC title meant something to Vince |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Aug 3, 2010 5:49:42 GMT -5
I still believe it's more likely true than not, but I'm still not entirely sold that Michaels backed out of WM13 solely because he was told he would have to "return the favor" to Bret. According to HBK (shoot int. around 2000) Bret was going to be jobbing to him again. Michaels said that Vince wanted him to go over Bret again since Bret had so many wins over HBK on video/PPVs. I honestly don't know what to believe when it comes to those guys. It has become obvious that their personal animosity was alive long before Montreal, perhaps as early as 1990. Whenever one says something about the other, I always take it with the proverbial grain of salt. |
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Post by Chester McFisticuffs on Aug 3, 2010 10:51:39 GMT -5
Honky/Macho Man affair? Would you care to elaborate? yes I would!!! Honky disliked the manner in which he was to drop the IC title to Savage and refused to do it.he said he was brought to a meeting and the layout of the match was bad/to short and that he was ignored during it.he later rang JCP about employement etc and Vince cleared things up with him.......however Vinces plan for Macho domination continued and he was penned in to win WM4 instead of Dibiase later when he was asked to job to Warrior he said Vinnie was very different about it.... and explained he needed to push Warrior as Hogans replacement soon in a lengthy meeting. of course this is when the IC title meant something to Vince Despite heels winning at Wrestlemania not being a big thing to do, I would have rather seen DiBiase win the belt.. especially considering that Macho Man was still seen as inferior to Hogan when he had the belt in '88. I mean, look at the finish of Savage/DiBiase at WM IV as a starting point. Oh, well. I also wished that the Intercontinental title still meant a lot. I was watching Summerslam '91 yesterday and watching Mr. Perfect's promo about how important the Intercontinental Championship was to him was a bit of a downer. It just doesn't seem to matter as much these days. |
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