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Post by K5 on Aug 11, 2010 10:33:54 GMT -5
coming from a catholic family, and of catholic schools, i have a pretty accurate perception of the 'general christian' - as far as for those i've met and encountered. bad news is right in saying all christians are not radicals or extremists by any means, however i do think there is an inane amount of self righteous behaviour in their general faith AND the means they employ it. i mean, calling seanzor foolish, when in reality from non-religious people's view the idea of beleiving in this book and living your life around it is the very definition of foolish. i think religious people need to kind of realize the absurdity of their notions, rather they choose to believe despite it or not...because as long as they remain fixated on the idea of somehow this stuff is real and everyone else will BURN, well, it's gonna be laughed at.
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Post by carly1988 on Aug 11, 2010 10:37:05 GMT -5
Can they not see this will cause more anger and violence? Anger yes...Violence not really. I mean Im almost positive this isnt the first time a wack job church has burned something in protest. Its not like radical muslims are gonna go into the church and blow it up. The thing with terrorists is you're not gonna stop them, ever. They will always be around unless you extinguish the entire race and even then you're gonna have some wack Canadian or American person thats gonna take up for them and do the same stuff. To me its all the more reason to close the borders and pull out of countries we have no business in and tell the world to kiss it. But that is a whole other debate that Im not gonna go into here no matter how many times Slappy responds to it.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Aug 11, 2010 11:12:21 GMT -5
coming from a catholic family, and of catholic schools, i have a pretty accurate perception of the 'general christian' - as far as for those i've met and encountered. bad news is right in saying all christians are not radicals or extremists by any means, however i do think there is an inane amount of self righteous behaviour in their general faith AND the means they employ it. i mean, calling seanzor foolish, when in reality from non-religious people's view the idea of beleiving in this book and living your life around it is the very definition of foolish. i think religious people need to kind of realize the absurdity of their notions, rather they choose to believe despite it or not...because as long as they remain fixated on the idea of somehow this stuff is real and everyone else will BURN, well, it's gonna be laughed at. I believe you got me wrong. I'm fully aware that people think I'm deaf, dumb, and blind for following the Bible and it's teachings. I made the "foolish" comment because it was foolish to say that it's the vast majority of Christians. 1. You grew up CATHOLIC. Catholics and Christians are two different denominations, or "sects" if you will. Anyone who tells you they're the same are wrong. 2. You say that you've met enough people who believe in God to have an accurate perception. Well I say the same thing. Yet both of our perceptions are totally different. One bad, the other not so much. What does that tell you? That just because you've met a bunch of douchbag bible bashers throughout your life, it still doesn't account for the vast majority of anything. 3. I've been to churches in Florida, Texas, North and South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, and Pennsylvania. I've yet to run into any of these so called elitists who turn there noses up and think everyone else will burn.
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Post by J12 on Aug 11, 2010 11:55:20 GMT -5
I refuse to get involved in the debate over Christianity in general, but this specific church is absolutely insane. Honestly, these people are what is wrong with our country.
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Post by xReyAlsanecx on Aug 11, 2010 12:19:19 GMT -5
coming from a catholic family, and of catholic schools, i have a pretty accurate perception of the 'general christian' - as far as for those i've met and encountered. bad news is right in saying all christians are not radicals or extremists by any means, however i do think there is an inane amount of self righteous behaviour in their general faith AND the means they employ it. i mean, calling seanzor foolish, when in reality from non-religious people's view the idea of beleiving in this book and living your life around it is the very definition of foolish. i think religious people need to kind of realize the absurdity of their notions, rather they choose to believe despite it or not...because as long as they remain fixated on the idea of somehow this stuff is real and everyone else will BURN, well, it's gonna be laughed at. 1. You grew up CATHOLIC. Catholics and Christians are two different denominations, or "sects" if you will. "Christians" are not a denomination. Protestants,Presbyterians,Catholics etc. are denominations of Christianity.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 11, 2010 12:22:20 GMT -5
Really fightin' the good fight with this one...
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Aug 11, 2010 12:22:39 GMT -5
1. You grew up CATHOLIC. Catholics and Christians are two different denominations, or "sects" if you will. "Christians" are not a denomination. Protestants,Presbyterians,Catholics etc. are denominations of Christianity. I know that. It was for lack of a better way to put it.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 11, 2010 13:09:10 GMT -5
coming from a catholic family, and of catholic schools, i have a pretty accurate perception of the 'general christian' - as far as for those i've met and encountered. bad news is right in saying all christians are not radicals or extremists by any means, however i do think there is an inane amount of self righteous behaviour in their general faith AND the means they employ it. i mean, calling seanzor foolish, when in reality from non-religious people's view the idea of beleiving in this book and living your life around it is the very definition of foolish. i think religious people need to kind of realize the absurdity of their notions, rather they choose to believe despite it or not...because as long as they remain fixated on the idea of somehow this stuff is real and everyone else will BURN, well, it's gonna be laughed at. Given that we can't prove or disprove the veracity of the Bible or the Koran or any other book, how is it foolish to live one's life by it? If I choose to live my life by a book I can't prove and you choose to live your life rejecting a book you can't prove, how is it any different?
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 11, 2010 13:11:42 GMT -5
Given that we can't prove or disprove the veracity of the Bible or the Koran or any other book, how is it foolish to live one's life by it? If I choose to live my life by a book I can't prove and you choose to live your life rejecting a book you can't prove, how is it any different? It's no more or no less preposterous than living your life by the words from a Dr. Seuss book.
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Post by The Champ is Here! on Aug 11, 2010 13:17:54 GMT -5
1. You grew up CATHOLIC. Catholics and Christians are two different denominations, or "sects" if you will. "Christians" are not a denomination. Protestants,Presbyterians,Catholics etc. are denominations of Christianity. Protestants is all the denoms that are not catholic or eastern orthodox
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 11, 2010 13:24:36 GMT -5
Given that we can't prove or disprove the veracity of the Bible or the Koran or any other book, how is it foolish to live one's life by it? If I choose to live my life by a book I can't prove and you choose to live your life rejecting a book you can't prove, how is it any different? It's no more or no less preposterous than living your life by the words from a Dr. Seuss book. I don't eat green eggs and ham. How is that a bad thing?
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Post by Mole on Aug 11, 2010 13:39:31 GMT -5
It's no more or no less preposterous than living your life by the words from a Dr. Seuss book. I don't eat green eggs and ham. How is that a bad thing? Because, as you should know, Green Eggs and Ham are delicious.
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Post by Oskanowski on Aug 11, 2010 13:49:06 GMT -5
.........America.
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Post by K5 on Aug 11, 2010 13:55:22 GMT -5
Given that we can't prove or disprove the veracity of the Bible or the Koran or any other book, how is it foolish to live one's life by it? If I choose to live my life by a book I can't prove and you choose to live your life rejecting a book you can't prove, how is it any different? you're wf's token skeptic, and yet you are claiming some kind of validity in belief in the bible? and i'm not trying to argue about whether it is true or not, but it's the fact that say i know a marble collector, and he worships a rock that is 3000 years old, and has a story to it where many people who held it were healed and saved etc...it's not like i can discard his story as false or not as i don't completely know, but i can say it would be foolish for me to believe in such a thing.
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Post by K5 on Aug 11, 2010 14:00:42 GMT -5
[ I believe you got me wrong. I'm fully aware that people think I'm deaf, dumb, and blind for following the Bible and it's teachings. I made the "foolish" comment because it was foolish to say that it's the vast majority of Christians. 1. You grew up CATHOLIC. Catholics and Christians are two different denominations, or "sects" if you will. Anyone who tells you they're the same are wrong. that's fair, and i saw that coming. however, i have encountered many other sects in which i've overall encountered much of the same self rightous imposition i spoke of earlier, perhaps on varying overall degrees. i've met many, many good people who are religious, and other than that are completely logical people. however, they all have this immediate defense of it, not because of previous harrasment, but because of the acknowledgement of the true absurdity of their belief. a state of denial. (imo) you said IN THIS THREAD that some people are going to hell in 'the carpool lane'. that sounds pretty damning to me, which imo is an extremely self righteous act.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2010 14:02:51 GMT -5
As much as I dislike talking about religion in the internet, Christianity is ed up. That's why I just stayed spiritual. Christianity itself isn't ed up, it's the people that misconstrue everything and warp the Bible to how they want. What really gets me, is if I would say something negative about Islam, I would get flamed and called ignorant by the same people that make comments like this. Any one who supports Islam and bashes Christianity needs to get their facts straight. If you think Christianity is ed and not Islam? Then you need to do some research. I screwed up on what I meant to say, but people like this give Christianity a very bad name.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Aug 11, 2010 15:41:43 GMT -5
[ I believe you got me wrong. I'm fully aware that people think I'm deaf, dumb, and blind for following the Bible and it's teachings. I made the "foolish" comment because it was foolish to say that it's the vast majority of Christians. 1. You grew up CATHOLIC. Catholics and Christians are two different denominations, or "sects" if you will. Anyone who tells you they're the same are wrong. that's fair, and i saw that coming. however, i have encountered many other sects in which i've overall encountered much of the same self rightous imposition i spoke of earlier, perhaps on varying overall degrees. i've met many, many good people who are religious, and other than that are completely logical people. however, they all have this immediate defense of it, not because of previous harrasment, but because of the acknowledgement of the true absurdity of their belief. a state of denial. (imo) you said IN THIS THREAD that some people are going to hell in 'the carpool lane'. that sounds pretty damning to me, which imo is an extremely self righteous act. I said it because it's true. I'm not making myself to be any better than they are, but there are clear cut signs that people are violating what's in accordance to Christianity here. I'm not damning ANYONE. I physically can't do that. Only God can. I was stating the truth. Burning another religion's sacred book is a form of idolatry, and malice. They're sinning, so they'll go to hell if they don't repent. That's what I believe in.
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Post by Alpha Q Up on Aug 11, 2010 16:18:21 GMT -5
WOW..I'm totally hurt..and I'm not even Muslim, I have alot of Muslim friends..I've chilled at their houses during Ramadan, they're VERY good people..most of the idiotic terrorist's aren't even Muslim themselves, I mean they are Muslim but they don't understand the true facts about Islam..and get brainwashed by a couple of sick people who want to use other innocent people looking for help in life as they're prawn. No religion deserves this kind of hate, honestly..I'm not singling out Christians from the rest..but this is BLASPHEMY.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 11, 2010 16:52:16 GMT -5
Given that we can't prove or disprove the veracity of the Bible or the Koran or any other book, how is it foolish to live one's life by it? If I choose to live my life by a book I can't prove and you choose to live your life rejecting a book you can't prove, how is it any different? you're wf's token skeptic, and yet you are claiming some kind of validity in belief in the bible? and i'm not trying to argue about whether it is true or not, but it's the fact that say i know a marble collector, and he worships a rock that is 3000 years old, and has a story to it where many people who held it were healed and saved etc...it's not like i can discard his story as false or not as i don't completely know, but i can say it would be foolish for me to believe in such a thing. First of all, we humans are weird so we're all inconsistent. I don't claim to be exempt from that. Second of all, I'm not one running around claiming that I can empirically prove the Bible is true and everyone should accept it. I can't. My faith is just that. It's faith. I base that on things I've experience and things I've seen which is just anecdotal evidence and on just plain faith. I choose to believe and my beliefs comfort me in times of crisis and help me order my life. For me at least, I get something very real out of my faith, or it's real to me anyway. Maybe it's all in my head. Maybe you're right and this life is all we have and it doesn't matter how we live it. Maybe I'm right and it does matter how we live our life and there is something after this. I don't know for sure and you won't find me claiming that my faith is fact and everyone should accept it. To me that violates the basic tenet of any faith. I don't have to have any faith to believe that the Earth revolves around the sun. I can sit down and do math and prove that empirically beyond all doubt. I do have to have faith to say that I believe God made the Earth to orbit the Sun. But at the end of the day, it's just a belief, nothing more and nothing less. I've no issues with people who want to believe or not believe whatever they want. It's a free country. Knock yourself out. I think you're missing out on something by not believing, but that's just my opinion and you can take that for whatever it's worth. I do have issues with people who say that what they believe is absolutely true when there's no empirical evidence to back it up. If you believe something based solely on faith, just say so.
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Post by The Canadian Zebra on Aug 11, 2010 17:35:22 GMT -5
Yet another strike against a group that I'll be lumped with because we both believe in Jesus. I'm a Christian through and through, but for those of you who believe that there's a heaven and hell, I'm positive that these guys are headed there in the carpool lane. But I'm sure that this thread will turn into another Christian flame fest so I'm not really sure why I'm even bothering this time.
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