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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Sept 1, 2010 19:00:26 GMT -5
If he had a gun they can shoot. I know that, I don't think he had a gun, he had a bomb I believe. Either way they still could have not shot him. I don't think he even killed anyone. Okay when you get taken hostage by a guy with a bomb or a gun or whatever have you, you just come right back here and tell us all that you still feel that police "didn't have to shoot the guy" because you don't think he killed anyone. Oh yeah....that's right, you could be dead if they don't! If the cops didn't shoot this guy, it could have been a whole lot worse. But to hell with the feelings of the families of the hostages, let's spare the Resident WF conspiracy theorist's feelings. He's upset with this situation, so cops should never take the necessary measures to keep people safe, because "they didn't have to shoot the guy." Okay....  |
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Post by MC2 on Sept 1, 2010 19:11:24 GMT -5
Oh really? Try doing research before hand. TMZ sucks news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_discovery_channel_gunmanAnyways.. They really didn't have to shoot the guy, just shows how corrupt police are. They easily could have used a taser gun or tranquilizer dart to bring him down. As someone who is very interested in criminal justice and wants to work for the Police when I get older, I can easily tell you shooting him was the best option. When someone has bombs and a gun, and is threatening to use it and kill innocent civilians, you think we should just be like "oh lulz, he'z stil a k00l guy nd we shud let him live!1! LOL" No. The only option is to kill him, when the police or SWAT shoot them, they try to shoot them in a non fatal area, but not everyone is a perfect marksman, if the guy dies, he dies, he honestly deserves it. |
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Post by Oskanowski on Sept 1, 2010 19:11:48 GMT -5
I know that, I don't think he had a gun, he had a bomb I believe. Either way they still could have not shot him. I don't think he even killed anyone. Okay when you get taken hostage by a guy with a bomb or a gun or whatever have you, you just come right back here and tell us all that you still feel that police "didn't have to shoot the guy" because you don't think he killed anyone. Oh yeah....that's right, you could be dead if they don't! If the cops didn't shoot this guy, it could have been a whole lot worse. But to hell with the feelings of the families of the hostages, let's spare the Resident WF conspiracy theorist's feelings. He's upset with this situation, so cops should never take the necessary measures to keep people safe, because "they didn't have to shoot the guy." Okay.... We easily can find out if he killed anyone, if he did, sure them shooting him was the right thing to do. But they still could had a target on the suspect, & that means they had aim to fire any weapon and they chose a bullet to kill a human instead of using a taser or something else. It's nothing to do with the feelings of the hostages family members, it's to do with the police and the way they could have handled it. They chose killing rather than saving a life. lol Edit. Anyone remember the New York Bomber? You didn't see us shooting him, or the underwear bomber. We can do things to people with bombs without killing them. |
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Post by MC2 on Sept 1, 2010 19:37:43 GMT -5
A tazer can only shoot so far, a gun can reach further.
And also, the Times Sqaure bomber got out and ran away, and no one knew what the hell happened, so, your wrong.
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Post by Oskanowski on Sept 1, 2010 20:02:06 GMT -5
A tazer can only shoot so far, a gun can reach further. And also, the Times Sqaure bomber got out and ran away, and no one knew what the hell happened, so, your wrong. *square. *you're. anyways.. don't matter, they still found him and didn't shoot him. |
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Post by Jay "The Brain" Mann [OFSU] on Sept 1, 2010 20:49:30 GMT -5
Looks like Oskanowski thinks he's an expert in two fields he knows nothing in... police and astronomy.
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Post by Oskanowski on Sept 1, 2010 20:52:04 GMT -5
Looks like Oskanowski thinks he's an expert in two fields he knows nothing in... police and astronomy. I didn't know this hostage situation had anything to do with Astronomy?  & you honestly believe that I don't make sense, then you're just a complete idiot. ;D |
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Sept 1, 2010 21:20:05 GMT -5
Looks like Oskanowski thinks he's an expert in two fields he knows nothing in... police and astronomy. I didn't know this hostage situation had anything to do with Astronomy? & you honestly believe that I don't make sense, then you're just a complete idiot. ;D So WE'RE the idiots because we say that the best thing to do in that situation was shooting the criminal, and YOU are saying "They could have done something other than shoot him." And we're also the idiots because we don't believe every single thing you say, and because the stuff you do post does not make any sense...that makes US the idiots? Again...this: ...and "they chose to kill rather than saving a life"...? What are you talking about?! This guy took 3 people hostage, and whatever he had - be it a bomb or a gun or whatever - he had intentions to do A LOT MORE than he got the opportunity to do! If police wouldn't have shot him, do you think he would have stopped and thought "Man, I could do something different here. I could save a life instead of killing innocent people." HELL NO HE WOULDN'T HAVE!!! If he would have thought like that, then he would have taken people hostage in the first place!!! The fact that you are essentially sympathizing with - for lack of a better term - a terrorist just blows my mind, kid. |
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Post by Oskanowski on Sept 1, 2010 21:28:34 GMT -5
I didn't know this hostage situation had anything to do with Astronomy? & you honestly believe that I don't make sense, then you're just a complete idiot. ;D So WE'RE the idiots because we say that the best thing to do in that situation was shooting the criminal, and YOU are saying "They could have done something other than shoot him." And we're also the idiots because we don't believe every single thing you say, and because the stuff you do post does not make any sense...that makes US the idiots? Again...this: ...and "they chose to kill rather than saving a life"...? What are you talking about?! This guy took 3 people hostage, and whatever he had - be it a bomb or a gun or whatever - he had intentions to do A LOT MORE than he got the opportunity to do! If police wouldn't have shot him, do you think he would have stopped and thought "Man, I could do something different here. I could save a life instead of killing innocent people." HELL NO HE WOULDN'T HAVE!!! If he would have thought like that, then he would have taken people hostage in the first place!!! The fact that you are essentially sympathizing with - for lack of a better term - a terrorist just blows my mind, kid. Yes you're dumb because you don't understand more than one way to handle a situation, the guy didn't shoot or kill anyone, they obviously had sight on the man, and they chose to kill him instead of saving his life, THAT is what police do, they protect, they protect everyone, not just the hostages, they can protect the criminal, and they didn't do that here, they saved hostages and killed the suspect, they easily could have saved him and locked him up for life but they rather have killed him. It " BLOWS MA MIND " that you're that dumb not too understand what I'm talking about, you bring up the " hostages family members " what about the suspects family members? I'm sure they didn't want him killed.. & quit being a Dr.Hulk and putting words in my mouth, I never said I had sympathy or agreed with him, grow up, YOU are the kid because you don't have any clue what you're even talking about. Simple fact is, police could have saved him, they chose to kill him, he didn't shoot anyone, they shot first, he held hostage sure? All it would take is a tranquilizer and it would have been over with. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 1, 2010 21:29:48 GMT -5
At least his wish of a lower population came one step further to happening today.
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Post by T R W on Sept 1, 2010 21:56:17 GMT -5
I wish they had shot him a lot sooner than they did. You take a room full of hostages with a bomb and guns. What do you expect to happen? He wanted to die, and he wanted to lower the human population, he got his wish.
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Post by stjones412 on Sept 1, 2010 21:57:46 GMT -5
miss read your post sorry your right I know that, I don't think he had a gun, he had a bomb I believe. Either way they still could have not shot him. I don't think he even killed anyone. Okay when you get taken hostage by a guy with a bomb or a gun or whatever have you, you just come right back here and tell us all that you still feel that police "didn't have to shoot the guy" because you don't think he killed anyone. Oh yeah....that's right, you could be dead if they don't! If the cops didn't shoot this guy, it could have been a whole lot worse. But to hell with the feelings of the families of the hostages, let's spare the Resident WF conspiracy theorist's feelings. He's upset with this situation, so cops should never take the necessary measures to keep people safe, because "they didn't have to shoot the guy." Okay.... |
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Post by K5 on Sept 1, 2010 22:02:38 GMT -5
wow, surprised more people weren't hurt.
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Post by MC2 on Sept 1, 2010 22:06:40 GMT -5
Oh and oskanowski, on the previous page you write, "Oh really? Try doing research before hand. TMZ sucks" saying that he was killed. But on page 2, you write, "I don't think he had a gun, he had a bomb I believe." When in fact, he DID have a gun. So you tell others to do research, when you can't do it yourself.
Check, and mate.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Sept 1, 2010 22:11:50 GMT -5
So WE'RE the idiots because we say that the best thing to do in that situation was shooting the criminal, and YOU are saying "They could have done something other than shoot him." And we're also the idiots because we don't believe every single thing you say, and because the stuff you do post does not make any sense...that makes US the idiots? Again...this: ...and "they chose to kill rather than saving a life"...? What are you talking about?! This guy took 3 people hostage, and whatever he had - be it a bomb or a gun or whatever - he had intentions to do A LOT MORE than he got the opportunity to do! If police wouldn't have shot him, do you think he would have stopped and thought "Man, I could do something different here. I could save a life instead of killing innocent people." HELL NO HE WOULDN'T HAVE!!! If he would have thought like that, then he would have taken people hostage in the first place!!! The fact that you are essentially sympathizing with - for lack of a better term - a terrorist just blows my mind, kid. Yes you're dumb because you don't understand more than one way to handle a situation, the guy didn't shoot or kill anyone, they obviously had sight on the man, and they chose to kill him instead of saving his life, THAT is what police do, they protect, they protect everyone, not just the hostages, they can protect the criminal, and they didn't do that here, they saved hostages and killed the suspect, they easily could have saved him and locked him up for life but they rather have killed him. It " BLOWS MA MIND " that you're that dumb not too understand what I'm talking about, you bring up the " hostages family members " what about the suspects family members? I'm sure they didn't want him killed.. & quit being a Dr.Hulk and putting words in my mouth, I never said I had sympathy or agreed with him, grow up, YOU are the kid because you don't have any clue what you're even talking about. Simple fact is, police could have saved him, they chose to kill him, he didn't shoot anyone, they shot first, he held hostage sure? All it would take is a tranquilizer and it would have been over with. I'm just going to continue to let you live in the weird fantasy world that you live in. And the simple fact is this: He took hostages, he was essentially a terrorist. Just because he didn't wear a diaper on his head and hang out in caves doesn't mean he wasn't a terrorist, and doesn't mean that his actions weren't that of terrorism. And sure, his family may not have wanted him killed, but I'm also damn sure that they didn't want him to go and take 3 people hostage. It costs more to keep someone in prison for life than it does to end their sad pathetic existence there on the spot. He obviously didn't care about his life, so why do you care so much? They protected the hostages, yes. And yes, it came at the price of killing the criminal. You might not like it, but who cares? Things just happen that way. And how do you know that they didn't try to reason with this idiot? How do you know that they had no line of communication with him and how do you know that they just didn't try and decided to shoot the first chance they had? Oh, I forgot. I'm dealing with the all-knowing oskanowski. The God-like oskanowski who thinks that the world works his way, who thinks that the world works how he says it does, and whatever he says goes, and anyone else who doesn't agree with him is "a complete idiot ;D" You do NOT want to argue police semantics with me. My step-dad is a retired Deputy Chief of Police - 20 years, he was on the force - and my brother just retired from the United States Air Force as a Military Policeman. But I guess living with them doesn't mean anything, and I just "don't know what I'm talking about." But what are you? A f***ing loser conspiracy theorist on an internet message board, mainly about wrestling figures. But I guess being a conspiracy theorist qualifies you as an all-knowing expert on anything that ever happens on a day to day basis. |
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Post by MC2 on Sept 1, 2010 22:16:54 GMT -5
Yes you're dumb because you don't understand more than one way to handle a situation, the guy didn't shoot or kill anyone, they obviously had sight on the man, and they chose to kill him instead of saving his life, THAT is what police do, they protect, they protect everyone, not just the hostages, they can protect the criminal, and they didn't do that here, they saved hostages and killed the suspect, they easily could have saved him and locked him up for life but they rather have killed him. It " BLOWS MA MIND " that you're that dumb not too understand what I'm talking about, you bring up the " hostages family members " what about the suspects family members? I'm sure they didn't want him killed.. & quit being a Dr.Hulk and putting words in my mouth, I never said I had sympathy or agreed with him, grow up, YOU are the kid because you don't have any clue what you're even talking about. Simple fact is, police could have saved him, they chose to kill him, he didn't shoot anyone, they shot first, he held hostage sure? All it would take is a tranquilizer and it would have been over with. Exactly what I was going to say, this doesn't directly apply to you, but you'd rather pay money to keep a psycho in prison where he will eventually die, then taking him out of his misery right then and there? You have no common sense. |
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Post by Oskanowski on Sept 1, 2010 22:18:52 GMT -5
Oh and oskanowski, on the previous page you write, "Oh really? Try doing research before hand. TMZ sucks" saying that he was killed. But on page 2, you write, "I don't think he had a gun, he had a bomb I believe." When in fact, he DID have a gun. So you tell others to do research, when you can't do it yourself. Check, and mate. Oh, well all I wanted to know is if he was killed, could careless if he had a knife or a pistol or a fork. Thanks for telling me though. & J1mmy3Tears: R.I.P. Paul Gray, I'm not arguing over this, you're an idiot. You living with " MEMBERS OF THE FORCE " don't mean anything, we are talking about the ways the police COULD have handled it. If you want too sit there and believe the ONLY way they could have handled this way using a gun with bullets... Be my guess, but you're wrong. |
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Post by MC2 on Sept 1, 2010 22:24:33 GMT -5
Oh and oskanowski, on the previous page you write, "Oh really? Try doing research before hand. TMZ sucks" saying that he was killed. But on page 2, you write, "I don't think he had a gun, he had a bomb I believe." When in fact, he DID have a gun. So you tell others to do research, when you can't do it yourself. Check, and mate. Oh, well all I wanted to know is if he was killed, could careless if he had a knife or a pistol or a fork. Thanks for telling me though. & J1mmy3Tears: R.I.P. Paul Gray, I'm not arguing over this, you're an idiot. You living with " MEMBERS OF THE FORCE " don't mean anything, we are talking about the ways the police COULD have handled it. If you want too sit there and believe the ONLY way they could have handled this way using a gun with bullets... Be my guess, but you're wrong. Can you NOT read? Living with people who were police and served in the military would absolutely give him the information about what could have been done. Chief of Police is a very high rank to be, and his step-dad must know about A LOT. |
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Sept 1, 2010 22:31:18 GMT -5
Oh and oskanowski, on the previous page you write, "Oh really? Try doing research before hand. TMZ sucks" saying that he was killed. But on page 2, you write, "I don't think he had a gun, he had a bomb I believe." When in fact, he DID have a gun. So you tell others to do research, when you can't do it yourself. Check, and mate. Oh, well all I wanted to know is if he was killed, could careless if he had a knife or a pistol or a fork. Thanks for telling me though. & J1mmy3Tears: R.I.P. Paul Gray, I'm not arguing over this, you're an idiot. You living with " MEMBERS OF THE FORCE " don't mean anything, we are talking about the ways the police COULD have handled it. If you want too sit there and believe the ONLY way they could have handled this way using a gun with bullets... Be my guess, but you're wrong. You wanna talk about me "being a Dr. Hulk" and "putting words in your mouth"....I'm gonna turn that back on you right now, you f***ing ass. Where did I EVER say that shooting the criminal was the only option they had? I never once said that. I believe what I said went a little something like this: And how do you know that they didn't try to reason with this idiot? How do you know that they had no line of communication with him and how do you know that they just didn't try and decided to shoot the first chance they had? Nowhere in that quote did I say that the only option was shooting him. Therefore, once again, proving you wrong. Check, and mate! ...damn, it must suck to constantly be proven wrong, and be made to look like a f***ing jackass to everyone else on here. Of course, I, and the other members, don't need to really do that. Because you seem to have it under control just fine by yourself. You should be the new jSYN, and add "tmigt" after your username. Because you sure got under control how to make yourself look like an ass. |
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Post by Oskanowski on Sept 1, 2010 22:38:52 GMT -5
Oh, well all I wanted to know is if he was killed, could careless if he had a knife or a pistol or a fork. Thanks for telling me though. & J1mmy3Tears: R.I.P. Paul Gray, I'm not arguing over this, you're an idiot. You living with " MEMBERS OF THE FORCE " don't mean anything, we are talking about the ways the police COULD have handled it. If you want too sit there and believe the ONLY way they could have handled this way using a gun with bullets... Be my guess, but you're wrong. You wanna talk about me "being a Dr. Hulk" and "putting words in your mouth"....I'm gonna turn that back on you right now, you f***ing ass. Where did I EVER say that shooting the criminal was the only option they had? I never once said that. I believe what I said went a little something like this: And how do you know that they didn't try to reason with this idiot? How do you know that they had no line of communication with him and how do you know that they just didn't try and decided to shoot the first chance they had? Nowhere in that quote did I say that the only option was shooting him. Therefore, once again, proving you wrong. Check, and mate! ...damn, it must suck to constantly be proven wrong, and be made to look like a f***ing jackass to everyone else on here. Of course, I, and the other members, don't need to really do that. Because you seem to have it under control just fine by yourself. You should be the new jSYN, and add "tmigt" after your username. Because you sure got under control how to make yourself look like an ass. *facepalm* I'm done with this topic. Kids get in the way too much. So WE'RE the idiots because we say that the best thing to do in that situation was shooting the criminalIf you don't think that is the only option... THEN WHY? Are you even arguing in the first place? You obviously think the only option was shooting them or you wouldn't continue complaining about me saying that's NOT the only option. |
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