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Post by Cult Member BriGuy on Dec 28, 2010 15:11:33 GMT -5
YEAH SEAN
WHY SO SERIOUS?
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Post by sean™ on Dec 28, 2010 15:17:48 GMT -5
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 28, 2010 18:28:13 GMT -5
Vick is a better rushed. Vick is faster. Vick is more athletic. Whoopie. Not saying Cassel is better than Brady or Vick or anyone. Simply saying if you are gonna talk about people in consideration for the MVP.....Cassel's name deserves to be mentioned. No, he doesn't. Cassel is not better in ANY WAY than Brady. At least you can make a case that Vick is better at SOMETHING. And I do believe that Cassel is more valuable to the Chiefs than Brady is to the Pats. But that by no means makes me think Cassel is better than Brady. This is so blatantly ridiculous that I don't even have a response for it. The Pats draft well and sign key FAs. If Brady went down, I am sure whoever the backup is could step in and fill a role. Not saying the Pats would be dominant nor the top seed in the AFC. But they could be a possible playoff team. Just look at it when Brady went down and Cassel stepped in.
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Post by K Dot on Dec 28, 2010 18:36:26 GMT -5
Go look at his ing stats. The only other time was 2006 and he ended up throwing 13 picks. In 2005, his TD/INT ratio was 15/13. THe year before 14/12. In 2002 he was 16/8. LOL Vick is such a joke, he's just established himself as a "pretty good" pocket passer this year. Ill give him credit when he performs this good again next season. When he plays all 16 games so you vick nuthuggers cant complain that he didnt play a full season. You do realize that the team he had with the Falcons offensively does not even compare a single bit to what he has now? His best receiver was Crumpler for God's sakes and even at that, Crumpler isn't Antonio Gates. His receivers dropped a good amount of balls and he just wasn't coached to be a quarterback. His highlights were vastly him just running over teams for a reason. His o-line was just awful and yes I can admit that Vick was more of an athlete than a quarterback with the Falcons. This guy got sacked 46, 33, 45 in a row from 04 to 06. He's only been sacked 28 this year. And you're still gonna compare the Michael Vick who was a super athlete, run first quarterback with the Falcons to the Mike Vick with the Eagles where he's pass first, only runs when it's necessary and can throw the ball with a pinpoint accuracy and now possesses playmakers in D-Jack, J-Mac, and McCoy. He could probably throw the deep ball as well if not better than any QB in the league right now, even Brady or Brees or Rivers. His rating is top 3, he has one less 40+ yard completions than Rivers, and the 5 INTs he threw all came in the last 4 games and he's only above average? Any idiot can tell the difference between Vick from the Falcons and Vick now and the different offenses he had to work with. And considering how he's playing so well after 21 months of prison time is just astounding because most analysts counted Vick out and didn't give him a chance. Did you even watch the NFL that far back? Didn't think so.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 28, 2010 18:37:35 GMT -5
Just look at it when Brady went down and Cassel stepped in. You mean when they missed the playoffs just one year after going 18-1 and losing that one game by a field goal? The Chiefs had Cassel last year and they were terrible. The dude is not the MVP. He's not more important to his team than Brady is, and he's not even in the conversation for MVP because of these things.
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Post by bad guy™ on Dec 28, 2010 19:01:37 GMT -5
That's something that kills me, Kliq. People who use previous seasons to judge one. What does Cassel last year have to do with this year? What does Cassel 2 seasons ago with a totally different team have to do with his play this season?
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Post by Jamal on Dec 28, 2010 19:08:28 GMT -5
LOL @ Ryan making the probowl over Rogers....
Well thats the probowl for ya.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 28, 2010 19:18:34 GMT -5
That's something that kills me, Kliq. People who use previous seasons to judge one. What does Cassel last year have to do with this year? What does Cassel 2 seasons ago with a totally different team have to do with his play this season? It doesn't directly have anything to do with it, but it does go to show how important a player truly is. If a team is suddenly significantly better, there's a lot more going right than just one player playing better. Tom Brady has a track record of excellence and is better in every single statistical way as well as every single mechanical and physical way. If we're only talking about "who is the most difficult to replace based on the players behind him on his team's depth chart?" then we might as well make Troy Polamalu the MVP of the league every year, because no one else steps in and does what he does. He plays a position unique to him. So I guess he's the most valuable. Or maybe a kicker? Ask the Lions if they would have liked to have had an actual kicker going for that extra point (which would have ended up winning them the game) against the Jets. I guess Jason Hanson is the MVP. It's just so absurd. You HAVE TO use talent when talking about league MVP because it's extremely relevant to the conversation.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 28, 2010 19:19:07 GMT -5
I'm a Chiefs fan. I'm not sold on Cassell. I think Charles is the real deal, but I'm not sold on Cassel. If you want to say he's the MVP of the Chiefs, I might go along with that just because Croyle sucks monkey balls and has for years, but no one seems to realize it. If you want to say he's the MVP of the league, that's a different question.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 28, 2010 19:41:10 GMT -5
Just look at it when Brady went down and Cassel stepped in. You mean when they missed the playoffs just one year after going 18-1 and losing that one game by a field goal? The Chiefs had Cassel last year and they were terrible. The dude is not the MVP. He's not more important to his team than Brady is, and he's not even in the conversation for MVP because of these things. Who said Cassel is MVP? No one. Said he should be in the conversation for MVP. So what if they missed the playoffs? They won wha....10 or 11 games? Not bad for a guy who got rushed into that role due to injury. He looked good doing it and landed him a starting role in KC. And if you really want to talk about combining seasons, then Vick is no where near the discussion. Considering he did craplast year. The MVP is Brady. But a notable mention belongs to Cassel. He deserves it and has shown how valuable he is too his team this year.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 28, 2010 19:48:37 GMT -5
Being in the MVP conversation would entail actually being better than the other candidates at something.
Cassel is not.
The only two options even up for discussion for MVP are Mike Vick and Tom Brady. Period.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 28, 2010 19:56:52 GMT -5
Being in the MVP conversation would entail actually being better than the other candidates at something. Cassel is not. The only two options even up for discussion for MVP are Mike Vick and Tom Brady. Period. Oh. Sorry. I'll stop now cuz Kliq ing dropped a period. And the all knowing one has spoken. Matt Cassel has more passing yards than Vick....thus he should be in the MVP talks based on your theory. Cassel has been sacked less than Brady.....thus he should be in the MVP talks based on your theory.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Dec 28, 2010 20:11:41 GMT -5
Jets got 3 pro bowlers not to bad. Brick, Mangold and Revis but according to WF i'm sure they all backed in there too.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 28, 2010 20:48:09 GMT -5
Jets got 3 pro bowlers not to bad. Brick, Mangold and Revis but according to WF i'm sure they all backed in there too. You really have no idea about common phrases. The Jets backed in. The sky is blue. Tom Brady is sexy. These are facts. Logan Mankins made the Pro Bowl after sitting out half the year. that is ing domination
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Post by captain master talbot on Dec 28, 2010 20:53:02 GMT -5
No idea how O'Hara made the Pro Bowl. Missed 3/4 of the year, and when he returned, the run game has sucked dick.
Nicks should have gotten in though.
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Post by BasedGod on Dec 28, 2010 20:57:40 GMT -5
Go look at his ing stats. The only other time was 2006 and he ended up throwing 13 picks. In 2005, his TD/INT ratio was 15/13. THe year before 14/12. In 2002 he was 16/8. LOL Vick is such a joke, he's just established himself as a "pretty good" pocket passer this year. Ill give him credit when he performs this good again next season. When he plays all 16 games so you vick nuthuggers cant complain that he didnt play a full season. You do realize that the team he had with the Falcons offensively does not even compare a single bit to what he has now? His best receiver was Crumpler for God's sakes and even at that, Crumpler isn't Antonio Gates. His receivers dropped a good amount of balls and he just wasn't coached to be a quarterback. His highlights were vastly him just running over teams for a reason. His o-line was just awful and yes I can admit that Vick was more of an athlete than a quarterback with the Falcons. This guy got sacked 46, 33, 45 in a row from 04 to 06. He's only been sacked 28 this year. And you're still gonna compare the Michael Vick who was a super athlete, run first quarterback with the Falcons to the Mike Vick with the Eagles where he's pass first, only runs when it's necessary and can throw the ball with a pinpoint accuracy and now possesses playmakers in D-Jack, J-Mac, and McCoy. He could probably throw the deep ball as well if not better than any QB in the league right now, even Brady or Brees or Rivers. His rating is top 3, he has one less 40+ yard completions than Rivers, and the 5 INTs he threw all came in the last 4 games and he's only above average? Any idiot can tell the difference between Vick from the Falcons and Vick now and the different offenses he had to work with. And considering how he's playing so well after 21 months of prison time is just astounding because most analysts counted Vick out and didn't give him a chance. Did you even watch the NFL that far back? Didn't think so. Yea i did watch the nfl back then you jackass. So your going to blame Vick's averageness on rest of the team now? Give me a ing break. He was their for 8 years, thats plenty of time to build around him. He didnt even have a lot of rushing TD's then. The most was 8, and hes already tied that this year. The year he turned into this "pocket passer". The only reason why hes a threat is because his ability to run, thats it! Thats what opens up the pass game for him. If you dont remember bud, Brady never had that elite offense with him either. During their first SB runs, his number 1 and 2 recievers were TROY BROWN and DEION BRANCH. Our RBs were Kevin Faulk and Corey Dillon one year. Brady just has this ability to turn players into stars, something Vick couldn't do. And there is no comparing the two Vicks, he not that good. Everybody is just on his nuts now because he happens to be doing quite well this year, right after he got out of jail. A year ago, all of you guys wanted to see Vick burn in hell, now hes like the second ing coming. Like I said, ill take him seriously when he can do it consistently year after year.
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Dec 28, 2010 21:10:51 GMT -5
How in the blue hell did Jordan Gross make the Pro Bowl? Oh well 1 is better than none.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 28, 2010 21:42:09 GMT -5
Vick has been very MVP like tonight, very MVP like.
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Dec 28, 2010 22:32:31 GMT -5
Vick has been very MVP like tonight, very MVP like. You just don't understand. His story is such a feelgood comeback story. He lied about running an illegal dog fighting ring got busted and went to jail then came back and is now quarterbacking for a team with tons of weapons. How does he not win MVP? /sarcasm
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 28, 2010 22:33:58 GMT -5
Matt Cassel has more passing yards than Vick....thus he should be in the MVP talks based on your theory. He is less than Brady, the OBVIOUS CHOICE, in every category. Cassel has been sacked less than Brady.....thus he should be in the MVP talks based on your theory. LMFAO. I swear, man, you just find new ways to make an ass of yourself every week.
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