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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 16, 2010 22:05:31 GMT -5
So Jack the Ripper isn't the bad guy the knife is? I never said that. Fine. You said the person throwing the grenade is responsible, but so is the grenade. So I guess Jack the Ripper is responsible and his knife is as well so we should look into banning knives. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 16, 2010 22:15:10 GMT -5
Fine. You said the person throwing the grenade is responsible, but so is the grenade. So I guess Jack the Ripper is responsible and his knife is as well so we should look into banning knives. Obviously a blanket ban on knives would be ridiculous. Butter knifes couldn't kill someone. All guns can be used to kill people (Though I'm not saying ban all guns). All grenades can be used to kill people. Not all knives can be used to kill someone. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 16, 2010 22:28:16 GMT -5
So we only ban some knives? Makes sense.
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Post by slappy on Sept 16, 2010 22:33:49 GMT -5
So we only ban some knives? Makes sense. For knives, you have to put it in your hand and actually force it into a person. With a gun, you just pull a trigger and the gun shoots out a bullet into the person. People need guns to kill, because they cannot just take a bullet and throw it at someone and it kills them. The force behind the bullet from the gun shooting it is what kills the person. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 16, 2010 22:42:57 GMT -5
He started out as DA, putting criminals behind bars. While mayor, Rendell cut a $250 million deficit; balanced Philadelphia's budget and oversaw five consecutive years of budget surpluses He bucked the state party and ran successfully for Governor. He won in Republican districts. Rendell created the Office of Management and Productivity with the goal of cutting $1 billion in administrative expenses by the end of his first term. When he first took over as Governor the average house price was around $110K now it is about $150K. Average homelessness rate in the US in 2008 was 2.17 per 1000 people. Under Ed Rendell, the average rate of homelessness in PA in 2008 was 1.2 per 1000 people. Rendell has called for reinstating the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. As of January 2010, the state's unemployment rate is 8.8% which is below the national average. The drop out rate in the US for 2006-2007 was about 9%. However in that same time in Pennsylvania, the drop out rate was 1.6%. Looks to have only a $4.8 billion dollar shortfall this year. That puts him at 25th out of the 50 states. I think that's pretty damn impressive while 6th in states with the highest population. They also rank 6th with highest GSP (like the GDP but for states). "If Pennsylvania were an independent country, its economy would rank as the 18th largest in the world." He gives Democrats Pennsylvania. We don't have to fight for it. Remember when it was said the state was needed by John McCain if he were to have a path to winning the Presidency? Well no Republican would be able to take away PA from us and they'd have to find another path to victory. Obama's numbers are falling and he is becoming more and more unpopular. Democrats want nothing to do with him this election year. Unless something big happens, Obama's numbers will most likely just keep going down. Give Rendell the keys and let him drive the Democrats to victory in 2012. Rendell ran PA into the damn toilet. Do you know how long state employees went without pay b/c of his OVER SPENDING and failure to balance a budget. Ed Rendell is truly one of the biggest pieces of crapon this planet. He only got elected in Philly b/c of his involvement with the mob.....er the labor unions, hard to tell the difference between them. As far as his popularity......I'm sure in Philly he is still beloved. Philly doesnt know what a winner looks like. Most of the people there are bleeding heart democrats who preach communism more than anything and the city is fueled by the labor unions there. Outside of that, Rendell is pretty fairly hated in PA. I got a feeling he would FAIL to carry his own state. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 16, 2010 22:53:22 GMT -5
He started out as DA, putting criminals behind bars. While mayor, Rendell cut a $250 million deficit; balanced Philadelphia's budget and oversaw five consecutive years of budget surpluses He bucked the state party and ran successfully for Governor. He won in Republican districts. Rendell created the Office of Management and Productivity with the goal of cutting $1 billion in administrative expenses by the end of his first term. When he first took over as Governor the average house price was around $110K now it is about $150K. Average homelessness rate in the US in 2008 was 2.17 per 1000 people. Under Ed Rendell, the average rate of homelessness in PA in 2008 was 1.2 per 1000 people. Rendell has called for reinstating the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. As of January 2010, the state's unemployment rate is 8.8% which is below the national average. The drop out rate in the US for 2006-2007 was about 9%. However in that same time in Pennsylvania, the drop out rate was 1.6%. Looks to have only a $4.8 billion dollar shortfall this year. That puts him at 25th out of the 50 states. I think that's pretty damn impressive while 6th in states with the highest population. They also rank 6th with highest GSP (like the GDP but for states). "If Pennsylvania were an independent country, its economy would rank as the 18th largest in the world." He gives Democrats Pennsylvania. We don't have to fight for it. Remember when it was said the state was needed by John McCain if he were to have a path to winning the Presidency? Well no Republican would be able to take away PA from us and they'd have to find another path to victory. Obama's numbers are falling and he is becoming more and more unpopular. Democrats want nothing to do with him this election year. Unless something big happens, Obama's numbers will most likely just keep going down. Give Rendell the keys and let him drive the Democrats to victory in 2012. Rendell ran PA into the damn toilet. Do you know how long state employees went without pay b/c of his OVER SPENDING and failure to balance a budget. Ed Rendell is truly one of the biggest pieces of excrement on this planet. He only got elected in Philly b/c of his involvement with the mob.....er the labor unions, hard to tell the difference between them. As far as his popularity......I'm sure in Philly he is still beloved. Philly doesnt know what a winner looks like. Most of the people there are bleeding heart democrats who preach communism more than anything and the city is fueled by the labor unions there. Outside of that, Rendell is pretty fairly hated in PA. I got a feeling he would FAIL to carry his own state. It takes two to tango, so maybe you should also be blaming your state legislature for failing to balance the budget and not reigning in the spending. I don't see why one should be afraid of unions unless you are a business owner who wants to have crappy conditions and little pay and ways around different laws. I'm talking with someone from Philly who said, "Coming from Philly I’ll admit Rendell did a lot for this city and the state when he was mayor here people saw their income go up in big numbers and he was loved by all races of people in the city and while Governor it was the same thing even though we had some budget cuts here, but Rendell was and still is a politician here that everybody loved and trusted." |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 16, 2010 23:06:15 GMT -5
Rendell ran PA into the damn toilet. Do you know how long state employees went without pay b/c of his OVER SPENDING and failure to balance a budget. Ed Rendell is truly one of the biggest pieces of excrement on this planet. He only got elected in Philly b/c of his involvement with the mob.....er the labor unions, hard to tell the difference between them. As far as his popularity......I'm sure in Philly he is still beloved. Philly doesnt know what a winner looks like. Most of the people there are bleeding heart democrats who preach communism more than anything and the city is fueled by the labor unions there. Outside of that, Rendell is pretty fairly hated in PA. I got a feeling he would FAIL to carry his own state. It takes two to tango, so maybe you should also be blaming your state legislature for failing to balance the budget and not reigning in the spending. I don't see why one should be afraid of unions unless you are a business owner who wants to have crappy conditions and little pay and ways around different laws. I'm talking with someone from Philly who said, "Coming from Philly I’ll admit Rendell did a lot for this city and the state when he was mayor here people saw their income go up in big numbers and he was loved by all races of people in the city and while Governor it was the same thing even though we had some budget cuts here, but Rendell was and still is a politician here that everybody loved and trusted." Blaming the state legislature is a cop out for Rendell lovers. He was the one who failed to put the budget together and even failed to get a proposal submitted in a reasonable amount of time that saw state workers go a long time without pay. His over spending on ridiculous art exibits, which included these absurd  ing cows made out of coins, placed on street corners all through Harrisburg only shows that. His answer.....lay off state troopers in order to preserve his beloved art he brought to PA. Yeah...makes sense. No wonder PA has a 10%+ unemployment rate. Labor unions are a ing joke. They are setup to protect employers in order to keep the employers agenda set and/or setup to push forth a political agenda that those in charge want to push forth and may or may not represent yours or the majority's views. In instances of the latter, they over employers constantly. If I own a business who in the hell should tell me how much I should pay my workers or how much vacation time or whatever the case may be? Dont like the conditions of the job I offer.....you are free to take your experience and talents to another company. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 16, 2010 23:16:51 GMT -5
It takes two to tango, so maybe you should also be blaming your state legislature for failing to balance the budget and not reigning in the spending. I don't see why one should be afraid of unions unless you are a business owner who wants to have crappy conditions and little pay and ways around different laws. I'm talking with someone from Philly who said, "Coming from Philly I’ll admit Rendell did a lot for this city and the state when he was mayor here people saw their income go up in big numbers and he was loved by all races of people in the city and while Governor it was the same thing even though we had some budget cuts here, but Rendell was and still is a politician here that everybody loved and trusted." Blaming the state legislature is a cop out for Rendell lovers. He was the one who failed to put the budget together and even failed to get a proposal submitted in a reasonable amount of time that saw state workers go a long time without pay. His over spending on ridiculous art exibits, which included these absurd ing cows made out of coins, placed on street corners all through Harrisburg only shows that. His answer.....lay off state troopers in order to preserve his beloved art he brought to PA. Yeah...makes sense. No wonder PA has a 10%+ unemployment rate. Labor unions are a ing joke. They are setup to protect employers in order to keep the employers agenda set and/or setup to push forth a political agenda that those in charge want to push forth and may or may not represent yours or the majority's views. In instances of the latter, they over employers constantly. If I own a business who in the hell should tell me how much I should pay my workers or how much vacation time or whatever the case may be? Dont like the conditions of the job I offer.....you are free to take your experience and talents to another company. You should not be able to have sweat shop like conditions. That is what unions are fighting. Unions fight for their workers. If one gets hurt on the job and the employer refuses to pay workers comp, the union can get involved to help that person. It helps in contract negotiations so that employees don't get the short end of the stick. PA's unemployment rate as I stated in the main post is 8.8% which is below the national average. www.herald-mail.com/?cmd=displaystory&story_id=228574&format=htmlRendell, in Franklin County on Wednesday for a press conference about Norfolk Southern’s Crescent Corridor initiative, took time out to talk about Pennsylvania’s budget situation. He made the trip to the GOP-dominated area on the 43rd day after the Pennsylvania General Assembly missed ITS (capitalization is mine) budget deadline, suspending pay for state workers for a month and halting aid checks for many programs. The governor used county government allotments as an example. “They had a choice, and the choice was to run out of cash for a few weeks or have their budget cut by hundreds of millions of dollars,” Rendell said. “I chose to stand and fight so they wouldn’t have those massive cuts, which would’ve affected services for virtually every person in all the counties.” Seems like he was fighting for the cities of PA, but the legislature wanted them to take cuts in their budgets. And what I bolded shows that it's the legislature's fault for the shutdown and people not getting paid, etc, because they were 43 days over due. Not Rendell was 43 days over due for submitting the budget, but they were 43 days over due in doing anything about the budget. |
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Post by jgmuff on Sept 17, 2010 1:45:01 GMT -5
ignorance is bliss, why shouldnt we be able to have them? its not just about protection its a hobby and sport..have you ever shot one? i would be willing to bet no...its a good time and RESPONSIBLE gun owners dont have problems and to be technical bullets do kill people but the person shootingkills people guns dont go off themselves.. For the same reason you shouldn't have rocket launchers and flame throwers. No citizen should be able to have the same weapons that our military uses. Sport? lol. Yeah, shooting a gun is right up there with football and baseball. So let's ban bullets. Yes, the person is to blame for killing someone, but they had a weapon to use and that weapon is what was used to kill the person. Just like if someone had a grenade and threw it and it killed people. Someone had to pull the pin, but the grenade is responsible for the explosion and deaths.[/quote typical liberal statemant and stupid at that you do realize that there are many different shooting leagues to make it a sport right? and why shouldnt we be able to own something the military uses? i woulld still take a handgun over an Ar-15 for defense every day which is why i Carry CCW for protection from the criminals who have them illegally and would get them even if there was a ban |
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Post by slappy on Sept 17, 2010 3:40:17 GMT -5
And you are the typical conservative.
There are different dart leagues, doesn't make that a sport.
Because the military should have better fighting power and the best technology. Some civilian shouldn't be able to outdo the military.
You carry to protect yourself from criminals. How many times have you encountered a criminal? Or are you going to say since you have a gun on you no one has bothered you because they fear your gun?
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Post by Kliquid on Sept 17, 2010 4:57:29 GMT -5
For knives, you have to put it in your hand and actually force it into a person. With a gun, you just pull a trigger and the gun shoots out a bullet into the person. People need guns to kill, because they cannot just take a bullet and throw it at someone and it kills them. The force behind the bullet from the gun shooting it is what kills the person. I love ya, Slappy, but this is a completely preposterous statement. LoL. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 17, 2010 8:24:03 GMT -5
So we only ban some knives? Makes sense. For knives, you have to put it in your hand and actually force it into a person. With a gun, you just pull a trigger and the gun shoots out a bullet into the person. People need guns to kill, because they cannot just take a bullet and throw it at someone and it kills them. The force behind the bullet from the gun shooting it is what kills the person. That is the most ludicrous argument ever. I can fire an arrow from a bow and kill someone. Shall we ban bows and arrows as well? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 8:30:58 GMT -5
Uh, no.
WE WANT 4 MORE YEARS OF DOUCHEBAG!
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Sept 17, 2010 14:37:44 GMT -5
You carry to protect yourself from criminals. How many times have you encountered a criminal? Or are you going to say since you have a gun on you no one has bothered you because they fear your gun? Well I'd say that's true in someone's case....  |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 17, 2010 15:48:12 GMT -5
You carry to protect yourself from criminals. How many times have you encountered a criminal? Or are you going to say since you have a gun on you no one has bothered you because they fear your gun? I wear a seat belt to protect me from being ejected from my car. Number of car accidents I've been in where there was the possibility of me being ejected - 0. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 17, 2010 15:50:53 GMT -5
For knives, you have to put it in your hand and actually force it into a person. With a gun, you just pull a trigger and the gun shoots out a bullet into the person. People need guns to kill, because they cannot just take a bullet and throw it at someone and it kills them. The force behind the bullet from the gun shooting it is what kills the person. That is the most ludicrous argument ever. I can fire an arrow from a bow and kill someone. Shall we ban bows and arrows as well? Your statement is just as ludicrous. How many people use a bow and arrow for protection? |
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Post by T R W on Sept 17, 2010 17:01:44 GMT -5
I would just like to interject, that you could easily kill someone with a butter knife.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 17, 2010 17:23:47 GMT -5
Anyone that wants to take away my right to own a gun that I can use to protect myself needs to GTFO! People should at least be able to keep guns in their own house to protect themselves, anyone who wants to take that away is an idiot. I don't own a gun BTW but I want to. Not for a sport, not to bring with me everywhere I go, but one that I can put in a safe place in my house so I can protect myself and I don't think anyone should have the right to take that away.
I don't know who this Ed Rendell guy is, but I'm sure he's a worthless scum bag just like every other politician out there.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 17, 2010 18:09:35 GMT -5
I would just like to interject, that you could easily kill someone with a butter knife. I once saw a man killed with a spoon. (Ok, I didn't literally see this.) Apparently the killer shoved the spoon through the eye socket and into the brain leading to bad times for everyone around. |
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Post by carly1988 on Sept 17, 2010 22:48:57 GMT -5
Who?
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