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Post by s13driver on Oct 14, 2010 23:53:40 GMT -5
1. GSP 2. Anderson Silva 3. Jose Aldo 4. Brock Lesnar 5. Fedor Emelienenko 6. BJ Penn 7. Shogun Rua 8. Ben Henderson 9. Miguel Angel Torres 10. Jon Fitch  . I really hope you're joking with this list. Lesnar, Bendo, Torres and Fitch do not belong near a top Ten P4P list ATM.Brock is the champ and has only fought elite dudes lately, he didn't do anything overly impressive but until someone takes his belt, he's the man. Hendo is on a rampage, he is quickly running through all the competition in his class in WEC and it won't be long before he moves into the UFC and does the same. Torres was listed among the top p4p fighters among all MMA enthusiasts for along time and it's only because of his back to back losses that he's fallen off, but after his recent DESTRUCTION of Charlie Valencia, it's clear he's back to his old ways and just because he suffered a minor setback shouldn't erase what he's done in his division in the past. Fitch- this is a no brainer, no one can touch Fitch besides GSP, and it's only a matter of time before we see Fitch and GSP starring at each other across the cage once again. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 15, 2010 0:27:27 GMT -5
Yeah, but Lesnar P4P? Frank Mir and Shane "I have no gas tank" Carwin are elite guys? Not sure about that. If he beats Cain and Junior, then you may have an argument, but just because he's the champion does NOT mean he's the best. It just means he has the belt, and he has plenty of guys to fight before he considers himself the best fighter ever.
And, I'm sorry, but 2 straight FINISHED losses DOES mean it sets you off the P4P list. Especially when those 2 losses were from guys who weren't even close to being on the list in the first place. Who the hell is Charlie Valencia? Who has HE beaten of large significance? No one.
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Post by thenewhorror on Oct 15, 2010 0:29:42 GMT -5
1.Jose Aldo
2.Anderson Silva
3.GSP
4.Shogun
5.Machida
6.Mousassi
7.Brock
8.Fedor
9.Edgar
10.Nick Diaz
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Post by ville on Oct 15, 2010 0:46:00 GMT -5
You know what a P4P list is right?
Brock? You're kidding me right? No? OK well GSP and Silva have pretty much cleared out there division, that's why they are at the top of the P4P rankings but Brock isn't close to that yet, he still has Cain and JDS to beat and I think he MIGHT( and that's a HUGE MIGHT) get passed Cain but I don't see him getting passed JDS at all. Plus the rematches, he got extremely lucky Carwin gassed or else he would of got KO'ed, he doesn't like getting hit, he ran away from those punches, imagine what someone like JDS could do to him. "Toughest SOB in the UFC" and "Baddest Man One The Planet" my ass. He will be exposed soon. He has no striking and his Wrestling is VERY overrated. Sorry to get off topic but you get my point.
I'm a huge Bendo fan, he is one of my favorite of all time fighters but he just doesn't deserve to be on a P4P list yet, when he beats more and better Lightweights than maybe.
So one win after back to back loses over someone who isn't relevant puts Torres back on a P4P list? No.
Who is relevant that Fitch recently beat besides Alves. Whoops there is no one.
Seriously you need to pay more attention.
And damn it James I can't stop laughing at your signature,
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Post by DWright on Oct 15, 2010 4:08:14 GMT -5
You know what a P4P list is right?
Brock? You're kidding me right? No? OK well GSP and Silva have pretty much cleared out there division, that's why they are at the top of the P4P rankings but Brock isn't close to that yet, he still has Cain and JDS to beat and I think he MIGHT( and that's a HUGE MIGHT) get passed Cain but I don't see him getting passed JDS at all. Plus the rematches, he got extremely lucky Carwin gassed or else he would of got KO'ed, he doesn't like getting hit, he ran away from those punches, imagine what someone like JDS could do to him. "Toughest SOB in the UFC" and "Baddest Man One The Planet" my ass. He will be exposed soon. He has no striking and his Wrestling is VERY overrated. Sorry to get off topic but you get my point.
I'm a huge Bendo fan, he is one of my favorite of all time fighters but he just doesn't deserve to be on a P4P list yet, when he beats more and better Lightweights than maybe.
So one win after back to back loses over someone who isn't relevant puts Torres back on a P4P list? No.
Who is relevant that Fitch recently beat besides Alves. Whoops there is no one.
Seriously you need to pay more attention.
And damn it James I can't stop laughing at your signature, I agree with the Torres (destroying Charlie Velencia isn't exactly an accomplishment) I agree with the Ben Henderson (I want to see him against some high grade LW) But your Fitch argument is weak. The ONLY knock on Fitch is the fact that he hasn't finished a fight in....forever. He's beat everyone the UFC has thrown at him, and he won't fight within AKA. I have no problem with him in the top 10-15, I just want to see him finish a fight. 3 years without a finish is a bit much. |
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Post by s13driver on Oct 15, 2010 15:03:17 GMT -5
You know what a P4P list is right?
Brock? You're kidding me right? No? OK well GSP and Silva have pretty much cleared out there division, that's why they are at the top of the P4P rankings but Brock isn't close to that yet, he still has Cain and JDS to beat and I think he MIGHT( and that's a HUGE MIGHT) get passed Cain but I don't see him getting passed JDS at all. Plus the rematches, he got extremely lucky Carwin gassed or else he would of got KO'ed, he doesn't like getting hit, he ran away from those punches, imagine what someone like JDS could do to him. "Toughest SOB in the UFC" and "Baddest Man One The Planet" my ass. He will be exposed soon. He has no striking and his Wrestling is VERY overrated. Sorry to get off topic but you get my point.
I'm a huge Bendo fan, he is one of my favorite of all time fighters but he just doesn't deserve to be on a P4P list yet, when he beats more and better Lightweights than maybe.
So one win after back to back loses over someone who isn't relevant puts Torres back on a P4P list? No.
Who is relevant that Fitch recently beat besides Alves. Whoops there is no one.
Seriously you need to pay more attention.
And damn it James I can't stop laughing at your signature, So you're trying to argue that Junior Dos Santos has more punching power than Carwin. HAHAHAHA! Now, don't get me wrong, JDS is my favorite heavyweight next to Brock, and when, yes WHEN those two fight, I don't even know who I'll be cheering for but no way in hell JDS has more power in his hands than Carwin. I agree JDS is strong as hell, but not Carwin strong. And if Carwin couldn't stop brock with his hands and his size, than little ass JDS aint gonna do it either, sorry. As for Cain Velazquez, I aint even gonna waste my breathe, it'll be an easy night for Brock when he sees CV standing across the cage. |
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Post by ville on Oct 16, 2010 1:37:22 GMT -5
You know what a P4P list is right?
Brock? You're kidding me right? No? OK well GSP and Silva have pretty much cleared out there division, that's why they are at the top of the P4P rankings but Brock isn't close to that yet, he still has Cain and JDS to beat and I think he MIGHT( and that's a HUGE MIGHT) get passed Cain but I don't see him getting passed JDS at all. Plus the rematches, he got extremely lucky Carwin gassed or else he would of got KO'ed, he doesn't like getting hit, he ran away from those punches, imagine what someone like JDS could do to him. "Toughest SOB in the UFC" and "Baddest Man One The Planet" my ass. He will be exposed soon. He has no striking and his Wrestling is VERY overrated. Sorry to get off topic but you get my point.
I'm a huge Bendo fan, he is one of my favorite of all time fighters but he just doesn't deserve to be on a P4P list yet, when he beats more and better Lightweights than maybe.
So one win after back to back loses over someone who isn't relevant puts Torres back on a P4P list? No.
Who is relevant that Fitch recently beat besides Alves. Whoops there is no one.
Seriously you need to pay more attention.
And damn it James I can't stop laughing at your signature, So you're trying to argue that Junior Dos Santos has more punching power than Carwin. HAHAHAHA! Now, don't get me wrong, JDS is my favorite heavyweight next to Brock, and when, yes WHEN those two fight, I don't even know who I'll be cheering for but no way in hell JDS has more power in his hands than Carwin. I agree JDS is strong as hell, but not Carwin strong. And if Carwin couldn't stop brock with his hands and his size, than little ass JDS aint gonna do it either, sorry. As for Cain Velazquez, I aint even gonna waste my breathe, it'll be an easy night for Brock when he sees CV standing across the cage. |
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Post by ville on Oct 16, 2010 1:38:30 GMT -5
You know what a P4P list is right?
Brock? You're kidding me right? No? OK well GSP and Silva have pretty much cleared out there division, that's why they are at the top of the P4P rankings but Brock isn't close to that yet, he still has Cain and JDS to beat and I think he MIGHT( and that's a HUGE MIGHT) get passed Cain but I don't see him getting passed JDS at all. Plus the rematches, he got extremely lucky Carwin gassed or else he would of got KO'ed, he doesn't like getting hit, he ran away from those punches, imagine what someone like JDS could do to him. "Toughest SOB in the UFC" and "Baddest Man One The Planet" my ass. He will be exposed soon. He has no striking and his Wrestling is VERY overrated. Sorry to get off topic but you get my point.
I'm a huge Bendo fan, he is one of my favorite of all time fighters but he just doesn't deserve to be on a P4P list yet, when he beats more and better Lightweights than maybe.
So one win after back to back loses over someone who isn't relevant puts Torres back on a P4P list? No.
Who is relevant that Fitch recently beat besides Alves. Whoops there is no one.
Seriously you need to pay more attention.
And damn it James I can't stop laughing at your signature, I agree with the Torres (destroying Charlie Velencia isn't exactly an accomplishment) I agree with the Ben Henderson (I want to see him against some high grade LW) But your Fitch argument is weak. The ONLY knock on Fitch is the fact that he hasn't finished a fight in....forever. He's beat everyone the UFC has thrown at him, and he won't fight within AKA. I have no problem with him in the top 10-15, I just want to see him finish a fight. 3 years without a finish is a bit much. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 16, 2010 1:42:06 GMT -5
You know what a P4P list is right?
Brock? You're kidding me right? No? OK well GSP and Silva have pretty much cleared out there division, that's why they are at the top of the P4P rankings but Brock isn't close to that yet, he still has Cain and JDS to beat and I think he MIGHT( and that's a HUGE MIGHT) get passed Cain but I don't see him getting passed JDS at all. Plus the rematches, he got extremely lucky Carwin gassed or else he would of got KO'ed, he doesn't like getting hit, he ran away from those punches, imagine what someone like JDS could do to him. "Toughest SOB in the UFC" and "Baddest Man One The Planet" my ass. He will be exposed soon. He has no striking and his Wrestling is VERY overrated. Sorry to get off topic but you get my point.
I'm a huge Bendo fan, he is one of my favorite of all time fighters but he just doesn't deserve to be on a P4P list yet, when he beats more and better Lightweights than maybe.
So one win after back to back loses over someone who isn't relevant puts Torres back on a P4P list? No.
Who is relevant that Fitch recently beat besides Alves. Whoops there is no one.
Seriously you need to pay more attention.
And damn it James I can't stop laughing at your signature, So you're trying to argue that Junior Dos Santos has more punching power than Carwin. HAHAHAHA! Now, don't get me wrong, JDS is my favorite heavyweight next to Brock, and when, yes WHEN those two fight, I don't even know who I'll be cheering for but no way in hell JDS has more power in his hands than Carwin. I agree JDS is strong as hell, but not Carwin strong. And if Carwin couldn't stop brock with his hands and his size, than little ass JDS aint gonna do it either, sorry. As for Cain Velazquez, I aint even gonna waste my breathe, it'll be an easy night for Brock when he sees CV standing across the cage. Carwin never even hit Lesnar full-on. He clipped him while Lesnar was blocking and Lesnar ran away. It had nothing to do with his "power". |
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Post by s13driver on Oct 16, 2010 1:48:04 GMT -5
So you're trying to argue that Junior Dos Santos has more punching power than Carwin. HAHAHAHA! Now, don't get me wrong, JDS is my favorite heavyweight next to Brock, and when, yes WHEN those two fight, I don't even know who I'll be cheering for but no way in hell JDS has more power in his hands than Carwin. I agree JDS is strong as hell, but not Carwin strong. And if Carwin couldn't stop brock with his hands and his size, than little ass JDS aint gonna do it either, sorry. As for Cain Velazquez, I aint even gonna waste my breathe, it'll be an easy night for Brock when he sees CV standing across the cage. haha, okay, I was gonna respond to this but after I saw that you are only a 16 year old kid, I decided to not even waste my breathe. Now I completely understand the logic behind your posts. It's not your fault. Don't worry though, once you grow up, you'll understand. Make sure that mommy and daddy know your up this late before you post again, mmkay? |
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Post by ville on Oct 16, 2010 2:02:38 GMT -5
Where did I say he has more power? The reason Carwin didn't beat Lesnar was because he swung his punches recklessly and then gassed because of it. He only landed one good punch which made Lesnar stiff up and jump and run away from it the whole First round. JDS doesn't have near the power Carwin does but he will be picking his shots better and those will add up on Lesnar, we already saw he doesn't take getting hit hard that well at all. Don't be so quick to underestimate Cain, while I think Lesnar will beat unfortunately, he however will have his hands very full in that fight. Every time you post you make yourself sound like an ass, quit being so blindly in love with Lesnar so you can come off as intelligent. I think thats one of the reasons I don't like Lesnar, all his fan are blind nut huggers. uh, what? How do I come across as an ass? Just cause I'm expressing my opinion? Really? That makes me an ass? okay then. Well apparently anyone who has an opinion that differs from your own is wrong and shouldn't even post anymore huh? is that the logic you're basing everything on? Well maybe your hatred for Brock is clouding your almighty knowledge of MMA. Don't get all butthurt just cause people don't agree with what you have to say. So next time you wanna act like a know-it-all and call people names on a computer, think twice about the words you use, cause it might not be the person you're talking to who comes off as an ass, it most likely is yourself.
I was gonna ignore this but I just want everyone to see what you said since you changed it. I like how you just assume everything like you know it all, that's why I called you an ass, this and your edited post just adds to it. |
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Post by DWright on Oct 16, 2010 2:05:27 GMT -5
If you 2 are going to act like this, go elsewhere.
The MMA board has actually been something I've visited more often lately because of less and less of this garbage. Don't bring it back.
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 16, 2010 2:11:00 GMT -5
Tisk, tisk, tisk. There IS a PM system.
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Post by s13driver on Oct 16, 2010 2:23:10 GMT -5
haha, it's cool guys. I didn't realize he's a teeny bopper. I shoulda realized it was a kid since he had pink font. But it's cool. I'll ignore him now.
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Post by Bartman on Oct 21, 2010 0:19:24 GMT -5
I'm amazed that people are still ranking Fedor so highly... (did I imagine him tapping out in a minute to a guy barely in the top 10? ). I loved the guy in his Pride days but even before the Werdum fight, he didn't look too good in come-from-behind wins over a faded Arlovski and Rogers. I base my P4P list on current form and ability - ie. if the fighters were all the same weight, who would win if they faced each other tomorrow? So - 1. GSP 2. Jose Aldo 3. Shogun Rua 4. Loyota Machida 5. Anderson Silva 6. Frankie Edgar 7. Dominick Cruz 8. Rashad Evans 9. BJ Penn 10. Brock Lesnar I know it's all opinion, but considering you said you're creating your P4P list as if everyone were the same weight and fought each other tomorrow, then does Lesnar really deserve to be on that list? Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Lesnar fan, but if Lesnar were the same weight as all those guys, I don't think his technique and ability are nearly as good to put him on a P4P list. Not bashing your opinion, just wondering. |
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Post by Sandy on Oct 21, 2010 2:32:32 GMT -5
I'm amazed that people are still ranking Fedor so highly... (did I imagine him tapping out in a minute to a guy barely in the top 10? ). I loved the guy in his Pride days but even before the Werdum fight, he didn't look too good in come-from-behind wins over a faded Arlovski and Rogers. I base my P4P list on current form and ability - ie. if the fighters were all the same weight, who would win if they faced each other tomorrow? So - 1. GSP 2. Jose Aldo 3. Shogun Rua 4. Loyota Machida 5. Anderson Silva 6. Frankie Edgar 7. Dominick Cruz 8. Rashad Evans 9. BJ Penn 10. Brock Lesnar I've never read a post that actually made my jaw drop literally...but yours did...congratulations.. the first two sentences alone almost made me go into cardiac arrest. I know this is supposed to be our opinion....and we are all entitled to our own opinion but you think one loss drops you off the P4P list, completely? but yet you have Shogun ranked so highly who looked sh***y against Coleman...lost against Forrest...and now is sidelined with an injury until Jan/Feb. and Machida lost to Shogun... I'm just saying your list is flawed. But to each his own.... |
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 21, 2010 13:38:59 GMT -5
I'm amazed that people are still ranking Fedor so highly... (did I imagine him tapping out in a minute to a guy barely in the top 10? ). I loved the guy in his Pride days but even before the Werdum fight, he didn't look too good in come-from-behind wins over a faded Arlovski and Rogers. I base my P4P list on current form and ability - ie. if the fighters were all the same weight, who would win if they faced each other tomorrow? So - 1. GSP 2. Jose Aldo 3. Shogun Rua 4. Loyota Machida 5. Anderson Silva 6. Frankie Edgar 7. Dominick Cruz 8. Rashad Evans 9. BJ Penn 10. Brock Lesnar Lyoto got dominated by Shogun, then KO'ed by him. Anderson got dominated by Sonnen, and just barely squeaked by with the submission at the end. Rashad got KO'ed by Lyoto, and hasn't looked very dominating since. Penn lost TWICE in a ROW. Come on, dude. Those are a LOT worse than Fedor getting caught in a submission very early on in the fight. Fedor's 10 years of dominance cannot be ignored. Who else has done that? |
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 21, 2010 21:09:16 GMT -5
Penn lost twice in a row and looked like SH*T in his last fight, yet he's still on your list.
Lyoto looked horrible against Shogun in the first fight, and shouldn't have been given that gift (the decision). Then, he was KO'ed in 3 mins by the same guy who should have beat him in the last one, yet he's still on your list.
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 21, 2010 22:39:16 GMT -5
Penn - lost twice (even though I thought he nicked the first one) to the number 1 contender and at the time, a fighter who was at or near the very top of the division. I still think Penn beats 95% Lightweights out there (and a lot of Welterweights) - and possibly even Edgar if he changed his gameplan. That's why he's on my list. Machida - was beaten, again, by the number 1 contender and a generally considered top pound-for-pound guy in Shogun (after all his injury woes). Before the Shogun fights, Machida had looked awesome - one of the top 4 or 5 P4P guys in the world with dominant wins over Tito, Silva and Rashad Evans. He still has a lot of fights left in him and, aside from Shogun, I think he could beat anyone in the LHW division. That's why he is on the list. As I said though - it's all subjective and open to personal opinion(!).  |
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 21, 2010 23:28:46 GMT -5
So are you honestly sleeping on Werdum? Why? Because he lost once to a UFC guy? Come on now, dude.
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