AONI
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Post by AONI on Oct 18, 2010 19:57:06 GMT -5
honestly, this is some real ignorant ****. just cause you dont hear any concious rap dont mean it aint out there, YOU just aint lookin hard enough. a lot of the time, these cats dont get no play because the labels dont wanna put out stuff thatll make the audience critically think about themselves, as people dont wanna listen to some **** thatll make them realize how ****ty of a person they are. Eminem came out the gate talkin about hi my name is. and because people dug that BS, then he was given the opportunity to talk about things HE wanted to talk about, and even then, he still has to put out the token club song for his album. by the way, what do you mean by extremist radicals? these are just a few guys who DESERVE a listen I do believe that rappers exist in this day and age that have a relevant message that should be heard, that can kind of pierce the barrier that people have - as you said - ignorantly put up against rap, but unfortunately the labels or whatever powers that be that run the rap world have blocked them, I suppose because they don't see as many dollar signs over their faces as they do for other, talentless artists. You can't call me ignorant though, I'm just another face in the crowd, I don't have the resources to seek out the stuff that the people who operate the machine are forcing us to ignore, I'm only able to listen to what I'm able to come across. By extremist radicals, I mean people talking about violence or bizarre levels of hatred for certain forces above that keep them down. The black struggle has been all about working hard to make sure that the racists and morons are forced with some sort of shimmering light in their face that makes them see themselves for the idiots they truly are, but I think a lot of the rappers in the late '80s/early '90s, though lyrically talented, were too focused on pure, red hate as opposed to the more poetic fight against racism and other things like that. MLK, for example, was a brilliant wordsmith and perhaps even poet (as it pertained to speech, not traditional rhythmic poetry), but I don't see the NWA or anybody like that as really located in the same camp. well lets get away from the idea that ignorance is an insult to one's intelligence, as youve seemed to have taken it. all ignorance means is a lack of knowledge upon a certain subject, as you yourself admitted you have in that there is a portion of rap music you are unaware of. you know, dont try to speak on or generalize the genre if you havent heard all of it. as far as you lacking the resources, you are on the internet RIGHT NOW, google underground rap and build from there...this is of course, if you are actually willing to seek it out as opposed to just absorbing what has been given to you and generalizing from that. i can nudge you a certain way if you want, but i know my taste isnt often one shared with others and im fine by that. extremists beget extremists. the NWA's hatred for cops was legitimate as cops WERE abusing them and the NWA's criticism of the LAPD was well deserved. but just because the music is laced with profanity or threatening does not mean the song is not talking about something "bigger" than rap.
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Post by AONI on Oct 18, 2010 20:03:36 GMT -5
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. Great lyricist and great storyteller. That said, some of his stuff is corny and downright juvenile (Pee Wee Herman voice, anybody?) and his biggest hits tend to be his predictable "feel good", underdog songs. The chorus from Not Afraid might be the most generic case of songwriting I've heard in years and yet you can't escape it. i swear, when i first heard not afraid i thought he made it for boy scouts
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Oct 18, 2010 20:59:11 GMT -5
I think so, for sure.
I don't like rap. That being said, I love Em's last two albums. That says something to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2010 21:01:15 GMT -5
Well, any great writer's going to have his silly times, or immature occurrences. Even the Beatles had their bubblegum pop stuff in the early '60s, and they're considered essentially the greatest band to have ever existed. The things he has attacked head-on, and made visible to the rest of the world, to me, are deeper and contain more of a glow than anything else that's come out of the rap world. Those are my favorite Beatles songs . And no, he's just a really good rapper. I love everything by The Beatles myself, but I was just illustrating a point with that, really.
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Post by Jamal on Oct 18, 2010 22:18:41 GMT -5
I don't think hes beyond rap. But he comes pretty damn close.
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Post by Ian on Oct 18, 2010 22:49:15 GMT -5
absolutly not he is a rapper and will always be a rapper unless he decides to sing not rap then i will have lost all respect for him
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Post by Sandy on Oct 19, 2010 2:13:40 GMT -5
I feel he doesn't live up to his own potential...
to whoever said he is arrogant? How so? In interviews I see a guy who generally seems very uncomfortable with his own fame as if he doesn't feel like he deserves it... He also seems borderline "shy"...and the only way he breaks out of his shell is when he raps..
songs like Renegade, Lose Yourself, Deja Vu, Sing for the moment, etc prove how poetic the guy can really be...
..but then he goes and makes songs like ass like that, puke, and rainman...
he took a huge step in the right direction with recovery though. It is without a doubt in my top 3 favorite eminem albums...
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Oct 19, 2010 6:15:59 GMT -5
...beyond rap? no, he's just a really, really talented rapper. if the music business overall focused moreso on finding people who excel at their genre, we'd only have musicians matching or even surpassing his quality.. So very true. In my opinion, rap music and the hip hop community are in dire straits at the moment in terms of talent. I don't think I've ever seen so many famous "rappers" who aren't acutal lyricists. People like to **** on guys like Kanye when they should be appreciating the fact that guys like him are few and far between nowadays.
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Post by pedigree619 on Oct 19, 2010 8:36:23 GMT -5
No. Em makes some thought provoking songs now and again but his catalog is full of immature songs, or straight up hardcore battle rap songs, so I don't see what would put him in his own category outside of the genre of rap. Well, any great writer's going to have his silly times, or immature occurrences. Even the Beatles had their bubblegum pop stuff in the early '60s, and they're considered essentially the greatest band to have ever existed. The things he has attacked head-on, and made visible to the rest of the world, to me, are deeper and contain more of a glow than anything else that's come out of the rap world. You do realize that that bubblegum pop stuff you're speaking of is what triggered Beatlemania? 63 and 64 is when they were at their public peak. You are pretty much only talking of maninstream rappers in this whole post regardless. There's a lot more rap than that and a lot of underground rappers who are far more clever than Eminem. Hell, I think Bo Burnham is more clever than Eminem. And MLK > Malcom... nuff said
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Post by totti on Oct 19, 2010 19:23:05 GMT -5
No. Em makes some thought provoking songs now and again but his catalog is full of immature songs, or straight up hardcore battle rap songs, so I don't see what would put him in his own category outside of the genre of rap. Well, any great writer's going to have his silly times, or immature occurrences. Even the Beatles had their bubblegum pop stuff in the early '60s, and they're considered essentially the greatest band to have ever existed. The things he has attacked head-on, and made visible to the rest of the world, to me, are deeper and contain more of a glow than anything else that's come out of the rap world. i wouldn't exactly consider early beatles songs "silly" or "immature", they're just simplistic love songs, if anything they got more silly later on, Rocky Raccoon, Octopus's Garden, Maxwell's Silver Hammer, I am the Walrus etc, but what eminem does is just stupid (and obviously completely different from the silly songs that the beatles did)
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Post by AONI on Oct 19, 2010 23:19:42 GMT -5
And MLK > Malcom... nuff said on what grounds?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2010 7:58:03 GMT -5
Well, any great writer's going to have his silly times, or immature occurrences. Even the Beatles had their bubblegum pop stuff in the early '60s, and they're considered essentially the greatest band to have ever existed. The things he has attacked head-on, and made visible to the rest of the world, to me, are deeper and contain more of a glow than anything else that's come out of the rap world. i wouldn't exactly consider early beatles songs "silly" or "immature", they're just simplistic love songs, if anything they got more silly later on, Rocky Raccoon, Octopus's Garden, Maxwell's Silver Hammer, I am the Walrus etc, but what eminem does is just stupid (and obviously completely different from the silly songs that the beatles did) I agree, the Beatles' later silly songs were kind of drugged out wild trippy songs if anything else, but still entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2010 7:59:11 GMT -5
Well, any great writer's going to have his silly times, or immature occurrences. Even the Beatles had their bubblegum pop stuff in the early '60s, and they're considered essentially the greatest band to have ever existed. The things he has attacked head-on, and made visible to the rest of the world, to me, are deeper and contain more of a glow than anything else that's come out of the rap world. You do realize that that bubblegum pop stuff you're speaking of is what triggered Beatlemania? 63 and 64 is when they were at their public peak. You are pretty much only talking of maninstream rappers in this whole post regardless. There's a lot more rap than that and a lot of underground rappers who are far more clever than Eminem. Hell, I think Bo Burnham is more clever than Eminem. And MLK > Malcom... nuff said As I said, I enjoy all eras of the Beatles, and indeed those songs are what triggered Beatlemania; I was just saying, it's not like their very first album contained songs already at the level at "A Day in the Life," etc.
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