Deleted
Joined on: Sept 29, 2024 3:18:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2010 22:48:29 GMT -5
I've never really had a strong interest in rap, nor seen a large amount of power in it. The guys now talk about nothing especially relevant to society in life, and even the better lyricists in the late '80s and early '90s were extremist radicals; they stood for something and had some sort of a message, but it was a pretty bizarre one. The only one that made any sense was Tupac Shakur, and though I think he's one of the better ones, he's still overrated in my opinion. If you want a true black radical and commentator on social issues, look to Malcolm X (he was an extremist, but a brilliant one nevertheless) or someone like that, but I guess Shakur was the closest thing rap ever produced from the black community, or at least the concept of making the world aware of the struggles of it are concerned.
Regardless of race however, I think Eminem goes beyond rap. Lose Yourself, Sing for the Moment, Cleaning out my Closet; he's a true poet with sharp words who understands some sort of greater truth, and I think it goes beyond mainstream rap or any genre necessarily for that matter. I think he goes further and beyond what any rapper (or musician for that matter) can really put together, and if anyone has ever had the potential to bring respect to that industry it's him. I think he's beyond the genre, something bigger than it itself.
Is Eminem bigger than rap?
|
|
|
|
Post by James Hardy on Oct 17, 2010 22:54:38 GMT -5
No. Em makes some thought provoking songs now and again but his catalog is full of immature songs, or straight up hardcore battle rap songs, so I don't see what would put him in his own category outside of the genre of rap.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 29, 2024 3:18:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2010 22:58:05 GMT -5
No. Em makes some thought provoking songs now and again but his catalog is full of immature songs, or straight up hardcore battle rap songs, so I don't see what would put him in his own category outside of the genre of rap. Well, any great writer's going to have his silly times, or immature occurrences. Even the Beatles had their bubblegum pop stuff in the early '60s, and they're considered essentially the greatest band to have ever existed. The things he has attacked head-on, and made visible to the rest of the world, to me, are deeper and contain more of a glow than anything else that's come out of the rap world. |
|
|
|
Post by Oskanowski on Oct 17, 2010 23:00:51 GMT -5
I'd say he's beyond Rap, I'd say he's Hip Hop/Freestyle Rap/Alternative Hip Hop. He adds pretty much everything into his music, personally my favorite rapper next to the Wu-Tang Clan.
|
|
|
|
Post by Word™ on Oct 17, 2010 23:18:36 GMT -5
Yes he is.
|
|
|
|
Post by No Brokeback on Oct 17, 2010 23:18:45 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by K5 on Oct 18, 2010 0:17:20 GMT -5
...beyond rap? no, he's just a really, really talented rapper. if the music business overall focused moreso on finding people who excel at their genre, we'd only have musicians matching or even surpassing his quality..
|
|
AONI
Superstar
Joined on: Jul 8, 2008 22:10:17 GMT -5
Posts: 563
|
Post by AONI on Oct 18, 2010 0:59:38 GMT -5
I've never really had a strong interest in rap, nor seen a large amount of power in it. The guys now talk about nothing especially relevant to society in life, and even the better lyricists in the late '80s and early '90s were extremist radicals; they stood for something and had some sort of a message, but it was a pretty bizarre one. The only one that made any sense was Tupac Shakur, and though I think he's one of the better ones, he's still overrated in my opinion. If you want a true black radical and commentator on social issues, look to Malcolm X (he was an extremist, but a brilliant one nevertheless) or someone like that, but I guess Shakur was the closest thing rap ever produced from the black community, or at least the concept of making the world aware of the struggles of it are concerned. honestly, this is some real ignorant shit. just cause you dont hear any concious rap dont mean it aint out there, YOU just aint lookin hard enough. a lot of the time, these cats dont get no play because the labels dont wanna put out stuff thatll make the audience critically think about themselves, as people dont wanna listen to some crapthatll make them realize how shitty of a person they are. Eminem came out the gate talkin about hi my name is. and because people dug that BS, then he was given the opportunity to talk about things HE wanted to talk about, and even then, he still has to put out the token club song for his album. by the way, what do you mean by extremist radicals? these are just a few guys who DESERVE a listen |
|
|
|
Post by extreme on Oct 18, 2010 1:06:16 GMT -5
he's the savior of rap.
|
|
|
|
Post by No Brokeback on Oct 18, 2010 1:51:26 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by The Assassin on Oct 18, 2010 2:17:15 GMT -5
eminem is overrated IMO. i used to like his music when i was younger, but i dont really anymore.
as a person to me (from seeing him in non-performing tv appearances eg interviews i mean) he comes accross as a poser and like he's trying too hard to fit an image and come accross as a tough guy. he seems extremely arrogant and narcissistic, very judgemental and a difficult person to get along with. and i feel like most of the anger/emotion he puts accross in his lyrics is forced/insincere. kinda like hes doing it for shock value or for the sake of maintaining his angry tough guy image. i find his lyrics repeatitive, insincere, boring and cliche. and theres too much swearing. swear words need to be worked into lyrics alongside clever use of the rest of the english language, not just thrown in every 5 seconds all over the place. eminem is of course very successful, but personally i dont consider him anything special and i just dont like him or his music.
i know this is usually the kind of rant you get from someone who doesnt like rap music at all, but actually I do like all kinds of music. including rap, hip hop, old-school hip-hop, gangsta rap. 2pac is one of my favorite artists, and I hold the opinion that 2pac's work is something extremely special and unique.
|
|
|
|
Post by spamdfms101 on Oct 18, 2010 6:43:03 GMT -5
No. Em makes some thought provoking songs now and again but his catalog is full of immature songs, or straight up hardcore battle rap songs, so I don't see what would put him in his own category outside of the genre of rap.
Well, any great writer's going to have his silly times, or immature occurrences. Even the Beatles had their bubblegum pop stuff in the early '60s, and they're considered essentially the greatest band to have ever existed. The things he has attacked head-on, and made visible to the rest of the world, to me, are deeper and contain more of a glow than anything else that's come out of the rap world. Those are my favorite Beatles songs  . And no, he's just a really good rapper. |
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 29, 2024 3:18:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2010 7:54:55 GMT -5
if you put a c in the title before rap then you'd be completely correct.
|
|
|
|
Post by carly1988 on Oct 18, 2010 8:13:51 GMT -5
I know its popular with the Youth but Ill never understand the fascination of rap music. Once I grew up and matured I stopped listening to it.
|
|
|
|
Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Oct 18, 2010 10:27:00 GMT -5
I grew tired of Em after I hit 18. I enjoy some of his songs, but I feel rap from the early to mid 90s is far better than stuff that is being produced now (with the exception of a few rappers).
People go on and on about how little Wayne is the best rapper of all time when nothing of his has really fascinated me since the Carter II.
Idk, I'm only 20 but I feel like I'm turning old school.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 29, 2024 3:18:27 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2010 10:51:31 GMT -5
I've never really had a strong interest in rap, nor seen a large amount of power in it. The guys now talk about nothing especially relevant to society in life, and even the better lyricists in the late '80s and early '90s were extremist radicals; they stood for something and had some sort of a message, but it was a pretty bizarre one. The only one that made any sense was Tupac Shakur, and though I think he's one of the better ones, he's still overrated in my opinion. If you want a true black radical and commentator on social issues, look to Malcolm X (he was an extremist, but a brilliant one nevertheless) or someone like that, but I guess Shakur was the closest thing rap ever produced from the black community, or at least the concept of making the world aware of the struggles of it are concerned. honestly, this is some real ignorant ****. just cause you dont hear any concious rap dont mean it aint out there, YOU just aint lookin hard enough. a lot of the time, these cats dont get no play because the labels dont wanna put out stuff thatll make the audience critically think about themselves, as people dont wanna listen to some **** thatll make them realize how ****ty of a person they are. Eminem came out the gate talkin about hi my name is. and because people dug that BS, then he was given the opportunity to talk about things HE wanted to talk about, and even then, he still has to put out the token club song for his album. by the way, what do you mean by extremist radicals? these are just a few guys who DESERVE a listen I do believe that rappers exist in this day and age that have a relevant message that should be heard, that can kind of pierce the barrier that people have - as you said - ignorantly put up against rap, but unfortunately the labels or whatever powers that be that run the rap world have blocked them, I suppose because they don't see as many dollar signs over their faces as they do for other, talentless artists. You can't call me ignorant though, I'm just another face in the crowd, I don't have the resources to seek out the stuff that the people who operate the machine are forcing us to ignore, I'm only able to listen to what I'm able to come across. By extremist radicals, I mean people talking about violence or bizarre levels of hatred for certain forces above that keep them down. The black struggle has been all about working hard to make sure that the racists and morons are forced with some sort of shimmering light in their face that makes them see themselves for the idiots they truly are, but I think a lot of the rappers in the late '80s/early '90s, though lyrically talented, were too focused on pure, red hate as opposed to the more poetic fight against racism and other things like that. MLK, for example, was a brilliant wordsmith and perhaps even poet (as it pertained to speech, not traditional rhythmic poetry), but I don't see the NWA or anybody like that as really located in the same camp. |
|
|
|
Post by K5 on Oct 18, 2010 11:03:46 GMT -5
I've never really had a strong interest in rap, nor seen a large amount of power in it. The guys now talk about nothing especially relevant to society in life, and even the better lyricists in the late '80s and early '90s were extremist radicals; they stood for something and had some sort of a message, but it was a pretty bizarre one. The only one that made any sense was Tupac Shakur, and though I think he's one of the better ones, he's still overrated in my opinion. If you want a true black radical and commentator on social issues, look to Malcolm X (he was an extremist, but a brilliant one nevertheless) or someone like that, but I guess Shakur was the closest thing rap ever produced from the black community, or at least the concept of making the world aware of the struggles of it are concerned. honestly, this is some real ignorant ****. just cause you dont hear any concious rap dont mean it aint out there, YOU just aint lookin hard enough. a lot of the time, these cats dont get no play because the labels dont wanna put out stuff thatll make the audience critically think about themselves, as people dont wanna listen to some **** thatll make them realize how ****ty of a person they are. Eminem came out the gate talkin about hi my name is. and because people dug that BS, then he was given the opportunity to talk about things HE wanted to talk about, and even then, he still has to put out the token club song for his album. by the way, what do you mean by extremist radicals? these are just a few guys who DESERVE a listen great post, kudos. |
|
|
|
Post by hollywoodscene on Oct 18, 2010 11:13:48 GMT -5
He's beyond mainstream rap that's for sure. His style is very underground and horrorcore at times and the fact he's as successful as he is is actually suprising since his style of music really gets no attention. i still think Em doesnt hold a candle to DZK when it comes to actually flowing. maybe some storytelling but flow wise not at all.
|
|
|
|
Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Oct 18, 2010 11:28:06 GMT -5
Eminem is the only rapper that I really can listen to every single one of his songs. I am not huge into hip hop at all but Eminem makes good songs story wise and I just like everything about his music.
|
|
|
|
Post by Happy Pizza on Oct 18, 2010 11:36:04 GMT -5
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. Great lyricist and great storyteller. That said, some of his stuff is corny and downright juvenile (Pee Wee Herman voice, anybody?) and his biggest hits tend to be his predictable "feel good", underdog songs. The chorus from Not Afraid might be the most generic case of songwriting I've heard in years and yet you can't escape it.
|
|
