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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 24, 2010 1:34:23 GMT -5
Plenty of WWE guys have been allowed backstage as guests, man. Don't turn this on hating Undertaker.
Maybe it's a work. Hah.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Oct 24, 2010 1:40:35 GMT -5
Plenty of WWE guys have been allowed backstage as guests, man. Sure they have. I'm not denying that. I'm just saying what might have happened, that's all. I'm sure Brock was extremely pissed about losing and didn't want to be bothered. And if 'Taker was there, he was probably stirring the pot a bit. So, Brock got in his face and told 'Taker to beat it. Who knows if that's what really happened?? I'm sure we'll get the scoop soon enough.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Oct 24, 2010 1:42:13 GMT -5
Big, big congrats to Cain. That dude's going to get better, too... that's the scary thing.
Lesnar still has all of the strengths that got him this far. What happens next for him will depend on two things: Can he learn to stop panicking when he gets hit hard, and can he discipline himself to stick to a game plan.
On the first one, it's not like Lesnar has a glass jaw... he doesn't. The problem is he instantly retreats when he eats a solid punch. To me, if you're doing that when you're not close to being KO'ed, it's a mental thing. Every second you spend retreating is time not spent working your own offense. I have a feeling Brock's harder to knock out than his reaction makes it seem. He needs to get used to the pain enough to stand there, eat a good punch and give one back.
On the second point, I look to the Velasquez loss and also the trouble Carwin gave Lesnar before he gassed. In both cases, it seemed almost like Lesnar forgets to fight back when his opponent hurts him. Against Carwin, he got a break when Carwin wore himself out. No such luck against Cain.
The fact that he can get pummeled by Cain and Shane the way he did, and NOT get knocked out cold, leads me to believe Brock can withstand a lot more pain that he lets on. I really think he's so used to being the alpha male that weathering a storm is a completely new concept to him, an MMA skill he has yet to acquire.
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 24, 2010 1:50:06 GMT -5
I was more so talking about how his fans hyped him. I was insulting his fans. Actually not his fans who like him but the fans who thought he could beat Fedor. ...who says he couldn't though? It's easy to knock Lesnar after he's just been beat - he's still a very good fighter (and I'd still favour him against most in the division). And remember, we're not dealing with the awesome Fedor of 2003/2004... we just don't know where he's at these days - Arlovski was beating him before going for that crazy flying knee... Rogers dominated him in the first round, before being one-puch KO'd in the 2nd... and we all know what happened with Werdum. Coupled with this - Fedor's recent inactivity (he probably won't fight again until next year) and the fact that a lot of guys with big reps haven't looked good in their first UFC/Octagon fights (Rua, Big Nog, Gomi, Shields...). You just don't know what could happen...
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Oct 24, 2010 1:58:51 GMT -5
I was more so talking about how his fans hyped him. I was insulting his fans. Actually not his fans who like him but the fans who thought he could beat Fedor. You just don't know what could happen... Exactly. NOTHING in MMA is a sure thing. Not even Fedor. And he's about as close to a sure thing as there can possibly be in MMA and even he lost. No matter how one-sided it may be or what it may seem like on paper or whatever, until the two fighters step in there, NOBODY knows for sure who will win.
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 24, 2010 2:03:00 GMT -5
But, you were sooooooooo certain Brock would win.
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 24, 2010 2:12:23 GMT -5
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Post by Bartman on Oct 24, 2010 2:14:09 GMT -5
I picked Cain to win, but I certainly wasn't expecting a domination like that.
Very, very excited for Cain vs JDS, which I think is a much better match up.
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Post by the hell demon on Oct 24, 2010 2:15:21 GMT -5
Somewhere right now Frank Mir is partying big time.
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Post by James Hetfield on Oct 24, 2010 2:15:36 GMT -5
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Post by Cult Member BriGuy on Oct 24, 2010 2:20:28 GMT -5
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 24, 2010 2:35:20 GMT -5
But, you were sooooooooo certain Brock would win. Hey, I'll be the first to hold my hands up and admit I was wrong. I think it was more under-estimating Cain than over-estimating Brock though (much like I thought Anderson Silva would deal with Sonnen fairly easily!). I didn't think Cain would be able to get up once he got taken down... or be able to take Brock down like that. It may be jumping on the Velasquez band-wagon, but he really does look like the complete fighter - there doesn't seem to be any obvious weaknesses. As Joe Rogan said, it feels as though a new era in the HW division has begun.
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Post by Bartman on Oct 24, 2010 2:49:27 GMT -5
There's the Undertaker/Lesnar exchange of words. I wonder what happened.
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Post by SteveHulk on Oct 24, 2010 3:12:27 GMT -5
There's the Undertaker/Lesnar exchange of words. I wonder what happened. Wowzers... there's no love lost there! Must be something to do from their WWE days??. Great find, Bartman.
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Post by Bartman on Oct 24, 2010 3:31:06 GMT -5
There's the Undertaker/Lesnar exchange of words. I wonder what happened. Wowzers... there's no love lost there! Must be something to do from their WWE days??. Great find, Bartman. Lol, who knows. I mean, he was there for Brock's debut fight at UFC 81, and apparently he really wanted to come to his fight against Carwin. Soo, perhaps it was something recent?
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Post by the hell demon on Oct 24, 2010 3:37:07 GMT -5
"You want to do it?" Taker was ready to go man. hahahhaha
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Oct 24, 2010 3:37:49 GMT -5
You just don't know what could happen... Exactly. NOTHING in MMA is a sure thing. Not even Fedor. And he's about as close to a sure thing as there can possibly be in MMA and even he lost. No matter how one-sided it may be or what it may seem like on paper or whatever, until the two fighters step in there, NOBODY knows for sure who will win. Pretty sure I did. Partying like a mofo right now. I am so proud. I said at UFC and to Brock's face (look it up on here I did) at UFC 100, "you're pretty tough until Cain rapes you". Everyone here laughed and Brock flipped me off. I have been screaming it from roof top to roof top that Cain will beat Brock and "rape" him. Tonight he did. I am so so proud of my friend. It was the first title for us AKA boys, but it wont be the last!!!
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Post by otto on Oct 24, 2010 4:37:26 GMT -5
So happy I got to see this live. It was totally intense, every second. the pride and support everyone in LA had was insane. everyone had Cain shirts, Mexican flags, the whole shabang. I was not disappointed, and i got an awesome new AV
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Oct 24, 2010 5:43:27 GMT -5
There's the Undertaker/Lesnar exchange of words. I wonder what happened. First off, either Taker doesn't know enough about MMA to make a legit response, or he was hesitant to say something that might land McMahon's wing tip in his ***. Either way, that little "staredown" was pretty intesne. With guys like Rock and Austin being cool with Brock, I'm alittle shocked to that he and the guy who passed him the biggest torch back in the WWE have some sort of beef now. I wonder what it was about. But I will say that it would be pretty low to "challenge" a guy to "do it" after he's gotten his face beat in. If that was what it was about.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Oct 24, 2010 5:59:29 GMT -5
I am in shock Lesnar lost.
So you all see the Lesnar/Taker thing as personal? I thought he was asking about a possible match between him and Brock at WM 27.
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