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Post by Quanthor on Jan 19, 2011 20:49:37 GMT -5
There is a possibility Melo resigns..albiet a small chance. If they don't trade him come the deadline and do decide to do what I think they should do(unless there is a no brainer deal) he might be willing to just take the extention because you knwo he wants it. Melo and the Nuggets are just bluffing each other right now, Melo wants out and an extention only(reportedly) with the Knicks. He's screwed around with the Nuggets, so now it's their turn to call his bluff.
They would still have to blow it up, but bides them more time.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 19, 2011 20:52:00 GMT -5
I think the Nets talk will be back in a week, once Denver says "crapthese offers all suck and he isnt coming back"
Maybe he does come back, but this nonsense isnt over yet.
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Post by BV on Jan 19, 2011 22:52:30 GMT -5
Hornets on a 6 game win streak with 3 coming in OT. With all the stuff happening with ownership of the team and CP3 trade rumors, their play has been stellar. CP3 is having his worst statistical season yet they still find ways to win. Statistically they're the best defensive team in the league only giving up 91 a game.
boner time
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Post by user9327 on Jan 20, 2011 0:40:54 GMT -5
The Nets obviously pulled out because Carmelo isn't willing to sign an extension with them. I am not sure why people have such a hard time realizing this. This has been fairly obvious for a few days (and to some, a few months). Keeping Melo's decision private is probably either some sort of rule or business ethics. It's irrelevant, if he had any interest in being in NJ, don't you think he'd be there by now?
As for Favors.... yea look, I realize he's got a good NBA body for the position, I realize he's young and I realize he is athletic but you know what.... I have seen absolutely NOTHING out of him thus far that makes him anything less than "potential." NJ certainly is quick to trade him, too... before ever even playing in a game.
I sat down and watched a few Nets games (or parts of them) over break, and Lopez sucks I'm sorry. Lopez might have size and a decent head on his shoulders but his hands and feet are never in sync and he's fundamentally light years behind guys like Gasol and Bynum. Then there's the fact that he's just been a bust this season after all that hype. Just watch him next time he plays, you'll see what I mean, he doesn't move well with the ball or without it compared to other players of that caliber.
And, like I said... watching Favors (when he actually got in the game) wasn't impressive at all at this point in his career.
Let's remember that right now Kris Humphries is not only outplaying Derek Favors but starting over him.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 20, 2011 0:57:57 GMT -5
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 20, 2011 18:17:02 GMT -5
I am surprised by the lack of love Derrick Favors is getting, he is a college sophmore just starting his 2nd semester. He has been compared to Al Horford, he hasnt even grown into his body yet. I mean you dont take someone #3 overall unless there is insane upside and you think he can turn into a superstar, but no one in the rookie class, sans Wall at times and Landry Fields out of nowwhere has lit up the screen this year. It has been a pretty under the radar class, so saying no one sees the potential out of Favors is silly to me. He has more upside and talent than anyone being offered....Gallinari, Kevin Martin, Fields, Walker, Devin Harris. I mean, when he gets himself matured and comfortable, he is going to be a beast. I mean he is averaging 19 minutes a game on a bad team, plus hes dealing with constant trade rumors, I cant imagine that is helping him too much..... he is going to get better. And for going after Melo, the Nets had to give up something of value, all the teams are going to hafta do that. Anyways, Chad Ford says the Nuggets/Nets talks arent dead and expects it to pick up again....aka posturing. insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MeloNets-110120My colleague Chris Sheridan is reporting that the Nuggets are acting as if they are moving on as well and spent Wednesday evening and Thursday morning contacting a host of other teams to see what other deals are available. But the Nuggets have been doing that for months and here's what they've found -- no one has a better offer than the Nets. No one. So even if they put on a brave face and say, "Don't worry, there's plenty of interest in Melo," they know they just lost their best chance at a reasonable trade. Carmelo is in a similar bind. His desire is to play in New York, or, if the Knicks don't come through, in Chicago. But neither the Knicks nor the Bulls are willing to gut their team to get him, especially now that their top competition for Anthony has just publicly pulled out of the bidding. If Walsh wasn't willing to give up Landry Fields and if John Paxson wasn't willing to give up Joakim Noah before, do you think they're willing to do so now? If there's not a great trade for the Nuggets to make, Denver could very well decide to hang onto Anthony and negotiate a sign-and-trade this summer or hope that owners get a franchise player tag as part of the new collective bargaining agreement. Since Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke didn't really love the New Jersey offer, he's not likely to suddenly fall in love with players like the Bulls' Luol Deng or the Knicks' Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari. I have yet to come across anyone in the league -- owners, GMs, player agents, players -- who thinks that Melo will turn down an extension just to be free to go take less money to play for the Knicks next season. That includes sources inside the Knicks. So if Melo is faced with losing perhaps $40 million-plus or signing with a team that isn't the Knicks, everyone I've spoken with believes he'll sign the extension. So all of this talk about the Nets calling the news conference because they found out Melo was refusing to sign with them is shortsighted. Melo himself has said he had agreed to meet with the Nets. Prokhorov could've had his meeting. But if he went, he'd be coming from the weakest possible negotiating position. So he called off the meeting, told the Nuggets and Anthony to take a hike and in so doing, gained the upper hand. I am not saying any of this is true or will happen, but it makes a ton of sense, you dont call off a year long pursuit of someone 5 weeks before the trade deadline. Especially when you know you have the best package. Unfortunately, this nonsense is gonna go all of February.
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Post by BuckDenaro7: Elite Trader on Jan 20, 2011 22:15:00 GMT -5
Anyone else pay attention to the Bobcats recent surge over the last few games. They are a talented young team, but they have to be on the same page.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 20, 2011 22:25:58 GMT -5
Yes I have noticed they seem to be OK (still lost when Wallace was out) but I still question their ability to score in the halfcourt in the first round.
I think Wallace is still a mystery. Like the other night he rebounded and didn't go to the hole as much, then some nights like that in the loss against Boston he was able to get to the line but that's a tough defense he was going at.
There's talent there but I don't know how much consistency that offense has. But it's an interesting situation to watch (losing their starting PG to free agency) because you really see what some guys are made of and in my opinion we're starting to see that Wallace may not be the player we thought a year ago.
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Post by BuckDenaro7: Elite Trader on Jan 20, 2011 22:34:25 GMT -5
I think that Jackson and Augustin are talented players that have bright futures. I think they are overlooked as they are on the Bobcats. DJ scored 31 tonight. Hes a great player night in, night out.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 20, 2011 22:43:46 GMT -5
yea but as a point guard I am not sold on Augustine. He still can turn it over a lot when you consider he's not the most consistent with impacting games with his assists. He also isn't the greatest 3 point shooter.
I agree he's young and has a nice skill set and window to improve but we've seen players like Jameer Nelson and Mike Conley never really cross that line to where Rondo has (make an offense consistent because of your passing). Although Rondo had a dream situation for any point guard and it's not really a fair comparison, he still has improved his court vision obviously.
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Post by BuckDenaro7: Elite Trader on Jan 20, 2011 22:45:33 GMT -5
I dont think DJ can control the offense though. I still think Wallace is the most mature on the team considering his time in the NBA. I think DJ can be a great player, but he does have to work on his outside shots and turnovers.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 20, 2011 22:46:23 GMT -5
Last night when the Mavs beat the Lakers I caught some of it and I gotta say Jason Kidd is still a good player. He was really good defensively at times, helping on Gasol. He's just pesky, knows how to alter a shot before they go up and that's a huge intangible.
Kidd is so past his prime it's not even funny but he still brings a lot to the floor.
Also, they are well coached for what they are (score it up team). I bought into what Carlisle was selling during time out's about just creating problems, not trying to shut them down. I thought it was brilliant against LA.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 20, 2011 22:47:21 GMT -5
I dont think DJ can control the offense though. I still think Wallace is the most mature on the team considering his time in the NBA. I think DJ can be a great player, but he does have to work on his outside shots and turnovers. yea exactly, also the stuff I said about Wallace dropping off a bit after losing Felton. Augustine's scoring is appreciated but setting Wallace up or clearing the floor for him 2-3 times a game is gonna do more in the long run.
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Post by BuckDenaro7: Elite Trader on Jan 20, 2011 22:47:46 GMT -5
Kidd brings a lot as does the Dallas bench. They seem to be a different team when they are given a challenge. They werent too good while without Dirk and can make a mid season run from here on.
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Post by Cult Member BriGuy on Jan 20, 2011 23:51:00 GMT -5
Bulls beat Mavs without Boozer and Noah. Total team effort as Rose was the only Bull scoring in double figures. Defense played great as they held Dallas to 20 points below their average.
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Post by Cult Member BriGuy on Jan 21, 2011 11:34:06 GMT -5
This happened at the Bulls game last night. I couldn't tell if it was real or fake. I've been going to Bulls games for a couple of years now and had never seen something like this.
What happened was Benny the Bull was walking down the aisle with a cake for a 10 year anniversary for this couple. He was on the big screen. Well this guy in a Dallas jersey and hat stands up and is showing off his jersey in front of Benny. It looked like the usher or someone told the Dallas guy to sit down. The guy didn't, kept flashing his jersey, then had a confrontation with Benny and knocked the cake down. He just sort of hit it out of Benny's hands and it fell on the ground. Everyone booed him, and the guy just sat back down in his seat. This was in the 1st quarter.
He was shown on the big screen a few times during breaks, receiving more boos. Well then in the 2nd quarter, Benny shows up with a bunch of balloons. He goes down the aisle and grabs the guy's Dallas hat and runs to the next aisle. The guy goes after him. Benny ties the hat to the balloons and let go, sending the balloons and hat up to the roof of the United Center. The guy seemed pissed off and looked like he was yelling. He goes back to his seat, grabs his coat and leaves. His friend leaves with him.
Anybody familiar with this type of mascot antics? I feel dumb having to ask if it was real or not.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 21, 2011 12:36:19 GMT -5
I always liked DJ Augustin, but whenever people really start to like him and see him rising up the PG ranks he goes into spells of being awful and benched/possibly traded etc.
It's good to see him finally mature and start turning himself into a solid PG
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Post by BV on Jan 21, 2011 21:06:03 GMT -5
Hornets actually just went on a 31-5 run on the Hawks.
WESTERN CONFERENCE, WE COMMIN FOR YOU *****
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Post by user9327 on Jan 21, 2011 22:06:09 GMT -5
Hornets actually just went on a 31-5 run on the Hawks. WESTERN CONFERENCE, WE COMMIN FOR YOU ***** That's crazy how they still perform at high levels like early in the season. I started to think that maybe CP3 is falling off but he always shows that he is actually making the team better than 99% of point guards could.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 21, 2011 22:07:27 GMT -5
I always liked DJ Augustin, but whenever people really start to like him and see him rising up the PG ranks he goes into spells of being awful and benched/possibly traded etc. It's good to see him finally mature and start turning himself into a solid PG He's never really been a full time starter before this season. If anything he hasn't regressed or gone into awful spells, we're just still waiting to see what he is.
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