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Post by LA Times on Feb 21, 2011 23:59:34 GMT -5
lakers? knicks won't even get past the heat, celtics, or bulls And Carmelo wont even sniff a championship until Kobe retires.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 22, 2011 0:01:04 GMT -5
I just hope this opens the flood gates now, I want more ing trades!
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Post by BASTARDKING on Feb 22, 2011 0:06:09 GMT -5
Ughhhh... There goes the Knick's bench
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Post by christianedge on Feb 22, 2011 0:08:34 GMT -5
I was psyched for something else on 2-21-11 lol
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Post by Nash on Feb 22, 2011 0:13:42 GMT -5
Ahh well I'm glad its finally over. Not so glad about another possible super-team after next years free agency, but I guess we'll deal with that when it gets here.
I think they did give up slightly too much. It was too bad they couldnt get the gurantee that he would sign for sure in the summer and then they would be a reallyyy legit team come next year. They are obviously a much better team, maybe they'll overtake the Hawks this year. But in the years to come...yeah its not going to be pretty for Bulls/Celts fans especially with Heat having more years under their belt.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 22, 2011 0:16:21 GMT -5
The move for Melo isn't to try and compete for a title this season.
It's to start over with a new core of Melo and Amare because Amare alone wasn't going to get very far with superteams in the league.
I mean they essentially traded a few Honda's for a Ferrari.
This move might be the one that helps lead to Deron Williams or something but that's all pie in the sky.
Although at the all star game when Kobe held up the MVP; Williams, Amare and Melo were in the background in a triangle together talking obviously trying to get on TV.
If they can get some role players this Summer they will be a dangerous team.
But right now the one-two punch of Amare and Melo is better than any Eastern team not named Miami, Boston or Chicago.
I'll tell you this much, Boston's road out of the East just became the hardest path to the Finals that I've ever seen. If they have to play all of Miami, Chicago and NY or swap out one for Orlando... yikes.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 22, 2011 0:23:29 GMT -5
Ahh well I'm glad its finally over. Not so glad about another possible super-team after next years free agency, but I guess we'll deal with that when it gets here. I think they did give up slightly too much. It was too bad they couldnt get the gurantee that he would sign for sure in the summer and then they would be a reallyyy legit team come next year. They are obviously a much better team, maybe they'll overtake the Hawks this year. But in the years to come...yeah its not going to be pretty for Bulls/Celts fans especially with Heat having more years under their belt. Yea really, I forgot about Atlanta. The Eastern playoffs should have Boston, Miami, Chicago, Orlando, Atlanta and NYK. If the Bucks ever get their crap straight they could be a hassle, too. I think it's safe to say there is no clear cut favorite in the East... it's going to come down to who the top two seeds draw. If they have to go through any 3 combinations of those teams it's gonna wear a team down. For a veteran team like the Celtics, it's not ideal. I still think Chicago could pull off a Finals run and is built to TRY and take on LA. But the Spurs could even be there in theory.
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Post by Nash on Feb 22, 2011 0:23:40 GMT -5
Hahaha Melo on Conan was hilarious
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Post by user9327 on Feb 22, 2011 1:06:20 GMT -5
The Bulls should try to get Danilo.
If they could do it by only losing a little, I think he's perfect for Chicago.
He obviously shoots, he is an effective driver from the perimeter. This would all play perfectly with Derrick Rose.
Danilo gets fouled a lot or puts up shots off the drive that are offensive rebounds waiting to happen for Noah and Boozer.
Boozer also likes the short-mid range... danilo knows how to flip it off the drive or spot up.
Just sayin... he gave the Celtics trouble as a second option. Just think as a 3rd option with Rose running the show.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 22, 2011 1:12:52 GMT -5
Chad Ford said that the Knicks will not be able to sign anyone or "beat anyones" offer for a big time FA in 2012, fwiw
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Post by Hollywood Asia on Feb 22, 2011 1:21:34 GMT -5
Hope Houston makes ANY trade....
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Post by Nash on Feb 22, 2011 1:25:08 GMT -5
The Bulls should try to get Danilo. If they could do it by only losing a little, I think he's perfect for Chicago. He obviously shoots, he is an effective driver from the perimeter. This would all play perfectly with Derrick Rose. Danilo gets fouled a lot or puts up shots off the drive that are offensive rebounds waiting to happen for Noah and Boozer. Boozer also likes the short-mid range... danilo knows how to flip it off the drive or spot up. Just sayin... he gave the Celtics trouble as a second option. Just think as a 3rd option with Rose running the show. Yeah I mean I wouldnt mind it terribly. Deng has been really good for us this year, and after all this time when he's having a really good year...might be hard to part with him. But yeah I could see it working at the same time. I really think they should be focusing primarily on the 2 guard until Thursday, but yeah we'll see.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 22, 2011 2:54:23 GMT -5
Chad Ford said that the Knicks will not be able to sign anyone or "beat anyones" offer for a big time FA in 2012, fwiw I'm used to all the pessimistic ESPN and Yahoo Sports views on the Knicks and accepted they will always have their negative moments. I mean for crying out loud, ESPN said nearly all season that the Knicks weren't likely to land Melo because they didn't have enough and NJ was the "better deal" and the favorite. It was never happening. ESPN also had us picked as long shots in the Summer of 2010 for anything. They regularly picked us to "strike out." Then there's Yahoo Sports who keep insisting Isiah Thomas is running the Knicks right now through James Dolan. Yea, I bet. That's why the trade had Donnie Walsh written all over it in his contacts with Minnesota and Golden State... along with the Knicks waiting and never looking like they were panicking. The Isiah thing is so atrocious for any professional media to claim, it's completely meritless. They make Donnie Walsh into a stooge for the sake of just putting their negative spin on the Knicks success because they don't like it. It is what it is. I've had to hear the pessimism from the media forever. But look at the bigger picture. They said we'd bust in 2010, we got Amare. They were negative about our chances in Carmelo for 4 months, we got him. They're doing it again about Deron Williams and whoever else may come here. I've said it before and I'll say it again; we'll see where those guys really want to end up.
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Post by BasedGod on Feb 22, 2011 3:21:13 GMT -5
Why are people sleeping on Billups?
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Post by user9327 on Feb 22, 2011 3:28:10 GMT -5
Why are people sleeping on Billups? Trust me, I'm not. I am counting on him to pretty much be the defensive motivator. If he and Landry can develop good defensive chemistry as Billups has in the past with others, it helps a lot.
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Post by BasedGod on Feb 22, 2011 4:59:12 GMT -5
I was going to say IMO NY has a legit BIG 3 now too. Billups might not be on Melo/Amare status but he is a playmaker who can play d and shoot the ball well. Hes underrated behind the arc IMO too. With that being said, Im a Celtics fan and I still dont think you guys can hang with the big boys just yet. I agree with everything you said earlier though. They made this trade knowing that they probably wouldnt be contenders this year. Heck, their team is not even as depleted as people claim. The only problem I really see is that they're broke as now and cant afford a big FA next year.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Feb 22, 2011 9:01:43 GMT -5
I was certainly shocked to see it confirmed that 'Melo was off to the Knicks. I heard the entire time that he wanted to play in New York, and wouldn't sign for NJ. @ Nash, I thought any deal for Carmelo from either team was contingent on him guaranteeing that he'll sign the 3yr/$65M that Denver threw at him to stay there? Maybe I'm just pulling things out that I never heard, but pretty sure that was the main stip. In any case, the Knicks just got better. Not as good as Boston ...but a legit threat to Miami now and I see them getting in the Playoffs this year, for sure. They are seeded 6th right now - if the season were to end this minute - but I see them getting to 5th or possibly even the 4th seed.
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Post by T R W on Feb 22, 2011 14:03:42 GMT -5
I hate this Hawks team. They have a terrible coach, and selfish, undisciplined players. They are so boring to watch, and nobody believes they will even win a first round series. I wish they would have let JJ go, and blown it all up except for Horford.
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Post by Quanthor on Feb 22, 2011 14:29:49 GMT -5
The only negative thing about this trade on the Knicks side of things is that they probably could have gotten Carmelo as a FA for a cheaper price tag and kept all their guys too. Now they have no depth and no ability to sign another big star. Miami pulled it off because their guys took less money and they did it before the new CBA which is suppose to be brutal. NY maxed out Amare and signed Melo to a more expensive extention. That's pretty much all they can do short of trading Fields and Billups deal for a player.
Also, no way does NY leap frogs any teams this year. There's not enough time or games to do that, if anything they have a lock on the 6th seed which at one point was looking in doubt due to the Knicks fall and Sixers rise.
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Post by Chicago on Feb 22, 2011 14:36:19 GMT -5
I like the Melo trade for both teams long term, and no one should really expect anything to come out of the rest of this season.
A few first round victories, maybe even a second round appearance, in the playoffs for the Knicks is sufficient enough.
The team as it was shaped before was never going to compete with the best of the East, but trading for Carmelo ensures a better chance at it in the next 2-3 seasons with additional FAs.
I also really like Billups coming over in the deal; he might be well past his prime, but all great teams need a high character/born leader/proven winner guy to build for the future.
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