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Post by extreme on Feb 23, 2011 16:27:45 GMT -5
If D-Will decides to not sign an extension with NJ, I'd say NJ got the shorter end of the stick since there may be more of an incentive for him to leave NJ after next season. I expect him to get a crazy offer this summer.
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Post by Jamal on Feb 23, 2011 16:28:19 GMT -5
Holy shit. Poor Jazz fans. First Boozer, than Sloan and now D-Will?
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Post by BV on Feb 23, 2011 16:41:30 GMT -5
Portland close to getting Gerald Wallace for Przybilla, picks and cash apparently. If that goes down then dayum.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 23, 2011 16:55:15 GMT -5
If D-Will decides to not sign an extension with NJ, I'd say NJ got the shorter end of the stick since there may be more of an incentive for him to leave NJ after next season. I expect him to get a crazy offer this summer. He has more incentive to resign with NJ now: Longer deal, more money, move to Brooklyn. He wont get more $ elsewhere, NJ can offer him the most, hence why Anthony going to NY was key.
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Post by twinn on Feb 23, 2011 17:04:37 GMT -5
Noah starting tonight for the Bulls. Boner time!
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Post by user9327 on Feb 23, 2011 18:54:50 GMT -5
Give the Nets credit for trying.
But this is not the greatest of moves. It's too risky.
The Nets are giving up a lot of their future for a guy they don't have under contract after next season... anyone who calls this a great move has to question the great possibility that he leaves.
NJ has nothing else to build around and this guy wants to play with stars. The stars are all tied down to other teams now.
I would have still done it if I were NJ, but it's by no means a great move until you get him extended. Until then it's nothing more than a risk.
As for anyone who thinks Williams or CP3 staying where they are is likely. Hey it may be... but these are the same people that were trying to sell the idea of LeBron staying in Cleveland and Melo staying in Denver.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 23, 2011 19:01:57 GMT -5
from march stein's twitter: RT @lockedonsports: Deron Williams told me it was not his choice. He's stunned. Declined interview until he figures out what it all means. don't think theres gonna be a happy camper in NJ He'll be fine, this is what he gets though. Obviously the Jazz didnt wanna deal with his nonsense. Williams will be fine on a bigger stage and eventually with a huge deal. Bigger stage? He went from Western playoffs to worst team in the league with an impulsive and unproven owner who's already rocked the boat enough to apologize. Eventually with a huge deal? He said he's extending or resigning? NJ may have just set their Franchise back by 5 years if he skips town. It's one of the more risky moves I've ever seen. They essentially traded their future for a guy who has one year left on his current contract who may be even more miserable this time next year when they suck. There is one positive, if Williams asks for a trade next season; the Nets control where he ends up for a few months.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 23, 2011 19:10:16 GMT -5
Bigger stage as in Brooklyn > Salt Lake City Utah.
The Nets have the money and cap room to add another star this upcoming offseason.
It wasnt like he was flush with superstars in Utah, ya boy Jefferson was there adn who else? Gordon Hayward?
He has a better supporting cast in NJ already, he will be in NY in 2 years and has a billionaire owner who will pay him what he wants, plus NJ can offer him more years and money than any other team.
It makes sense, its risky but not too risky.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 23, 2011 19:18:09 GMT -5
Yea I agree it makes sense in theory but on paper it's a potential disaster.
This is a great move for the Jazz though. They ripped them off if you figure: Carmelo is the better player and the Knicks got him extended, Williams was facing Free Agency and you got more for him than Denver did for Melo.
Great move for Utah but could set NJ back by 5 years if Williams wants out.
Think about this time next year if Williams wants out and NJ has to trade him? If they get anything back that is less than 2 first round picks and a coveted rookie; they're idiots. We all saw what Melo eventually went for.
NJ looks in over their head, impulsive and potentially disasterous. Prokhorov in a few hours sent all his prized trade pieces he wouldn't trade for a non extended Melo for a non extended Deron Williams.
I think Prokhorov is turning out to be a disaster. I mean seriously he's failed at everything. Even the Knicks knew about Mozgov before he did and Mike D'Antoni loves Italian's, not Russians.
Seriously is anybody really bashing James Dolan (rightfully so) and not seeing through this Prokhorov crap.
How is giving up your lottery rookie and two first round picks for a guy not under contract after you wouldn't do it for Melo not under contract anything short of an Isiah move?
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Post by user9327 on Feb 23, 2011 19:25:50 GMT -5
Seriously Prokhorov is the new Isiah.
Isiah would have done this if he missed out on Melo. He would have traded their best rookie and all their picks for a guy not extended...
after failing to trade those guys for an extended Carmelo.
That's the same kind of crap Isiah used to do.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 23, 2011 19:29:09 GMT -5
Isiah never acquired one of the 3 best players at his position though, thats the difference. Hate all you want on "potentially" what might happen, but Deron Williams is arguably the best PG in the league, Chad Ford and others are saying he's a better get than Melo.
In 2012, will be a great deal? Who knows, but elite PG's in their primes, and a year away from FA, usually dont get traded very often, unless you are Jason Kidd.
Prokhov is taking a chance on building around Deron Williams, I admire that.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 23, 2011 19:39:15 GMT -5
Isiah never acquired one of the 3 best players at his position though, thats the difference. Hate all you want on "potentially" what might happen, but Deron Williams is arguably the best PG in the league, Chad Ford and others are saying he's a better get than Melo. In 2012, will be a great deal? Who knows, but elite PG's in their primes, and a year away from FA, usually dont get traded very often, unless you are Jason Kidd. Prokhov is taking a chance on building around Deron Williams, I admire that.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 23, 2011 19:50:29 GMT -5
My God this is like a wet dream right now...
Billups is facilitating, Knicks up 12-6. Amare has more space.
All this and these guys haven't even had a practice together.
(now watch them lose)
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 23, 2011 20:25:43 GMT -5
Welcome to Hotlanta Kirk Hinrich!
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Post by user9327 on Feb 23, 2011 20:37:22 GMT -5
MSG was talking about how Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook said Billups tremendously helped them this Summer on Team USA and made them better mentally.
Hopefully he can help Douglas too.
Everybody knows I've been a big supporter of Billups for years; I'm just as excited about Melo as I am Billups.
The Knicks are a terrible rebounding team but I've seem shades of the defense showing vast improvement on ability. Between Fields, Billups and Douglas; the guards are all good on defense. But down low there's no rebounding that is above average.
Screw Chris Paul, keep Billups and sign Marc Gasol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2011 20:47:55 GMT -5
billups has been so underrated in this trade. obviously and rightfully, melo has been the focal point in all of this but billups is an extremely good point guard and his ability is definitely overlooked.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 23, 2011 20:55:16 GMT -5
billups has been so underrated in this trade. obviously and rightfully, melo has been the focal point in all of this but billups is an extremely good point guard and his ability is definitely overlooked. Hey the fact that Rose and Westbrook said that and both started out great this year is good news. Westbrook was arguably playing the best ball for OKC to start the season before Durant got going. On top of that, I'll say that with 3 minutes of watching Billups (without any practice experience with the team) that I was more confident in his play than Felton... and Felton was great at times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2011 21:15:55 GMT -5
well like the announcers are talkin about now, billups has a lot of experience so the transition to the knicks system won't be as tough where he should become rather comfortable fairly quickly.
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Post by user9327 on Feb 23, 2011 21:36:55 GMT -5
This is ugly offense out there. I know it's been effective but they aren't running anything sets wise. Just small packages.
Outside of Melo shooting poorly on his jumper, he's played good.
Overall not too bad for a freelance game.
I can't wait to see how this looks if Billups comes back and they get a training camp together.
Toney Douglas has been the best player tonight.
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Post by T R W on Feb 23, 2011 21:41:58 GMT -5
Save_Us.Hinrich
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