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Post by James Hetfield on Nov 6, 2010 10:57:54 GMT -5
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Post by 1992 on Nov 6, 2010 14:22:11 GMT -5
Just can't argue with that. Brilliant.
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 6, 2010 14:26:27 GMT -5
As long ad Scotty J doesn't get lost in the shuffle, I'm more than OK with this. ;D
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Post by That 80s Guy on Nov 12, 2010 12:28:46 GMT -5
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It's a sad move for MMA!
UFC swallowed Pride instead of bringing that atmosphere to the States full time, thus creating more jobs and opportunities for those in the MMA community.
And now they're doing the samething with WEC. They could've revamped the company by adding the original 5 weight divisions plus the Feathers and Bantoms for a total of 7 - meanwhile UFC creates their own Feathers & Bantoms, and uses WEC as a stomping ground for guys before they hit the big time with UFC.
Now the WEC crew like Todd Harris, that hot chick who hosted the pre-show last night, and the WEC ring announcer (can't remember his name), will more than likely be out of work and out of the national spotlight.
It's very reminicant of WWF buying out WCW, then buying out ECW's assets. Seperating the companies and keeping competition alive is always the smarter move because the fans win, and there's more places for guys to work. Vince dropped the ball with this sometime ago, and now Dana's dropped the ball with this. Had he kept Pride and WEC alive and all 3 of his companies competing against eachother, sure it's major invenstment for each, but the rewards would be tripled than what he's garnering now.
Again, a bad business move.
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Post by ville on Nov 12, 2010 15:32:06 GMT -5
-- It's a sad move for MMA! UFC swallowed Pride instead of bringing that atmosphere to the States full time, thus creating more jobs and opportunities for those in the MMA community. And now they're doing the samething with WEC. They could've revamped the company by adding the original 5 weight divisions plus the Feathers and Bantoms for a total of 7 - meanwhile UFC creates their own Feathers & Bantoms, and uses WEC as a stomping ground for guys before they hit the big time with UFC. Now the WEC crew like Todd Harris, that hot chick who hosted the pre-show last night, and the WEC ring announcer (can't remember his name), will more than likely be out of work and out of the national spotlight. It's very reminicant of WWF buying out WCW, then buying out ECW's assets. Seperating the companies and keeping competition alive is always the smarter move because the fans win, and there's more places for guys to work. Vince dropped the ball with this sometime ago, and now Dana's dropped the ball with this. Had he kept Pride and WEC alive and all 3 of his companies competing against eachother, sure it's major invenstment for each, but the rewards would be tripled than what he's garnering now. Again, a bad business move.
First "UFC" didn't by PRIDE Zuffa did, Zuffa already owned WEC so why try to establish Two brands when all the "casual" fans only watch UFC anyway? Dana said all they employees from WEC will now be UFC employees. WEC wasn't making much money in the first place, had he had "all 3 of his companies competing against each other" as you put it he would lose money. Zuffa will be making more money with the merger, coming from a fans perspective it sucks but from a business perspective its a very smart move. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Nov 12, 2010 16:45:32 GMT -5
It was a smart idea. It's hard enough to develop one brand, so why bother with developing two? Zuffa already owned WEC, so how is this REALLY any different? All fighters are in the UFC now and will get some attention. Trust me the letters "WEC" and "UFC" are completely different in the eyes of casual fans who don't know much about the sport.
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Post by WCWA Online on Nov 12, 2010 19:10:00 GMT -5
I think it was Ben Henderson who said he had to constantly explain to people what the WEC was, and is gracious for the simpler life of "I fight for the UFC"
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Post by That 80s Guy on Nov 13, 2010 13:08:25 GMT -5
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@ ShogunStomp:
Yeah Dana says all WEC employees will be UFC employees, but you watch, 1 year from now, maybe half of them will still be with the company. If every single WEC employed worker joins the UFC organization, it's going to create a clusterf*** and names will eventually have to go - this includes fighters unfortunately. That's classic example with ANY merger that takes place. But you're right, the casual fan only knows about (or watches) the UFC. But having that "developemental system" I guess you can call it, would be ideal for guys who arn't quite ready for the big time, but just good enough for guys say ready for TUF or let those fans who follow WEC get used to seeing those fighters and seeing who's on their way up to the UFC. If you invest the money properly, I don't see how you lose money, and I'm pretty sure by now, Zuffa has a good grasp on how to handle their funds.
@ James Hetfield:
The UFC is already a well-established oil machine for Dana and Zuffa lol. It's almost like, "We got UFC over, we're making milllions of dollars, why not expand out?!" - to me, that should've been their mentality when contomplating what to do with WEC, then while maintaining the UFC as the dominate company, like I said before, revamp WEC by re-adding the lights-welters-middles-light Hvywts, and creating a Hvywt division, on top of their Bantom & Feathers and push WEC like they did with the UFC, more fans would begin taking notice and those 2 acranyms WOULD be different in the eyes of the fans, 'UFC' & 'WEC'. Like I said to ShogunStomp, Zuffa has a great mindset when pushing a company to heights like they did with the UFC, what difference would it make if they pushed WEC to similar heights ?!
The sad thing with PRIDE is that PRIDE I believe came to the states a few rare times in the past, so we didn't get more than a glimpse what it would've been like had PRIDE came to America full time. Instead, UFC handpicked a select few fighters then shelved the company permanently. Had Zuffa kept PRIDE open and Dana made the announcement that PRIDE would continue opperations here in the US, I guarantee PRIDE would have a better shot at shooting high up in mainstream status than WEC were to've. Maybe not as big as the UFC, but if you have a company that has the potential to come close, then why not pull the trigger ?!?! It would be generating more money for Zuffa, giving the fans an alternative, and whoever from Japan wanted to stay in Japan, those job spots would open up as I'm sure more spots on the fight roster for each division would open up aswell. The bottom line is: the more places fighters can go in the big time, the better. When competition is created, the public notices and THAT'S what makes business exciting, not just in MMA but any businesses around the world, especially in our free-capital market here in the US.
The MMA community, and the fans ALL win in the end, if there were more competition, that's all I'm saying.
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Post by James Hetfield on Nov 13, 2010 14:19:34 GMT -5
PRIDE came to the U.S. and lost money. They should have never came and changed their rules.
And its better for the fighters to just come to the UFC. Better paydays, and more exposure. It was a great idea. WEC would NOT have been competition to the UFC, because they are all under one banner anyway. It would be like if UFC brought PRIDE back. That's not real competition.
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