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Post by wccwfan4life on Dec 10, 2010 19:05:56 GMT -5
Bret wrestled alright this past year, his stroke was a work. yea, real witty. the guy never took a bump his entire run. I've been checking out these boards for awhile now, i've never liked Slappy or his posts. Such a  ing idiot. Plenty of people here i've never cared for, but he really ing sucks. |
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Post by slappy on Dec 10, 2010 20:34:17 GMT -5
yea, real witty. the guy never took a bump his entire run. I've been checking out these boards for awhile now, i've never liked Slappy or his posts. Such a ing idiot. Plenty of people here i've never cared for, but he really ing sucks. I wasn't being serious, I was being as outlandish as he was being saying HBK's back injury was more work than real. Let me just add you to the list of people who don't like me. Ah yes, number 1,932.  |
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Post by k5 on Dec 11, 2010 17:34:11 GMT -5
I've been checking out these boards for awhile now, i've never liked Slappy or his posts. Such a ing idiot. Plenty of people here i've never cared for, but he really ing sucks. I wasn't being serious, I was being as outlandish as he was being saying HBK's back injury was more work than real. Let me just add you to the list of people who don't like me. Ah yes, number 1,932. oh for chrissake, outlandish? it's basically public knowledge that he'd dodge out of different situations with faked injuries, particularly the knee injury of 97. i don't believe someone who suffered a 'career ending' back injury goes on to moonsault and jump off ladders a couple times a month for 7 years. THAT is outlandish, to me. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Dec 12, 2010 2:30:49 GMT -5
I wasn't being serious, I was being as outlandish as he was being saying HBK's back injury was more work than real. Let me just add you to the list of people who don't like me. Ah yes, number 1,932. oh for chrissake, outlandish? it's basically public knowledge that he'd dodge out of different situations with faked injuries, particularly the knee injury of 97. i don't believe someone who suffered a 'career ending' back injury goes on to moonsault and jump off ladders a couple times a month for 7 years. THAT is outlandish, to me. This is a large part of why he worked a part-time schedule when he returned. He still suffered effects of the ruptured discs. Watch some of his matches (especially '02-'04) and you will noticed that he always twists to take monster bumps on his side rather than lower back. I also noticed his back locking up on him during some DX tag matches in '06. Ruptured/hernied discs usually heal within a year but it is easy to inflame the problem again, which is what I believe happened to HBK often between '02 and '10. |
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Post by k5 on Dec 12, 2010 2:50:14 GMT -5
i've ruptured a disc in my back, and obviously not all injuries nor people are the same, but that's why i have the basis that i do (plus the fact that michael's notorious for being untrustworthy in his claims).
i'm not saying i'm definitely right, i'm only saying i'm critical of the whole thing. he obviously had some back issues, to what degree is what i really question.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Dec 12, 2010 7:18:36 GMT -5
i've ruptured a disc in my back, and obviously not all injuries nor people are the same, but that's why i have the basis that i do ( plus the fact that michael's notorious for being untrustworthy in his claims). i'm not saying i'm definitely right, i'm only saying i'm critical of the whole thing. he obviously had some back issues, to what degree is what i really question. Yet another thing that is far from certain. Shawn had a huge ego but so did the main people, Bret Hart and Shane Douglas, who accused the faking of knee injuries. Whatever Bret and Shawn have said about one another over the years should always be taken with a grain of salt. Their animosity might stretch back as far as 1990 so the "controversy" over WM 19 might be a product of Bret's dislike of Michaels. In the case of Douglas, he was a mediocre performer who thought he was special but time proved that he wasn't. He is still bitter and lashing out at people like the Kliq and Ric Flair. It is hard for me to take anything he says seriously. I think the most likely case of HBK refusing to job was his tiff with Vader, though that wasn't injury related. |
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Post by gordon on Dec 12, 2010 10:54:40 GMT -5
I don't believe someone at the top of his game, WWF Champion, in one of the hottest stables in wrestling would suddenly just think "I'm a little banged up, I think I'm gonna go away for 4 years."
This isn't like the knee injury. They're completely different circumstances. Do I think he faked the knee injury in 97? Yes. Do I think he faked his back injury? Hell no. Do I think the diagnosis wasn't as bad as they thought? Maybe. That's probably why he decided to return full time.
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Post by slappy on Dec 12, 2010 16:50:51 GMT -5
I wasn't being serious, I was being as outlandish as he was being saying HBK's back injury was more work than real. Let me just add you to the list of people who don't like me. Ah yes, number 1,932. oh for chrissake, outlandish? it's basically public knowledge that he'd dodge out of different situations with faked injuries, particularly the knee injury of 97. i don't believe someone who suffered a 'career ending' back injury goes on to moonsault and jump off ladders a couple times a month for 7 years. THAT is outlandish, to me. Yes, he did it before, doesn't mean he did it again. Why would he miss out of 4 years of huge pay days just to sell a fake injury? Ric Flair was in a "career ending" plane crash or at least that is what the doctors said. He's still going 30 years later. |
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Dec 12, 2010 21:46:18 GMT -5
oh for chrissake, outlandish? it's basically public knowledge that he'd dodge out of different situations with faked injuries, particularly the knee injury of 97. i don't believe someone who suffered a 'career ending' back injury goes on to moonsault and jump off ladders a couple times a month for 7 years. THAT is outlandish, to me. Yes, he did it before, doesn't mean he did it again. Why would he miss out of 4 years of huge pay days just to sell a fake injury? Ric Flair was in a "career ending" plane crash or at least that is what the doctors said. He's still going 30 years later.  |
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Dec 13, 2010 0:52:49 GMT -5
oh for chrissake, outlandish? it's basically public knowledge that he'd dodge out of different situations with faked injuries, particularly the knee injury of 97. i don't believe someone who suffered a 'career ending' back injury goes on to moonsault and jump off ladders a couple times a month for 7 years. THAT is outlandish, to me. Yes, he did it before, doesn't mean he did it again. Why would he miss out of 4 years of huge pay days just to sell a fake injury? Ric Flair was in a "career ending" plane crash or at least that is what the doctors said. He's still going 30 years later. I remember watching on a DVD (McMahon, I believe) with Shawn saying Vince was a great man and he thanked him because the whole (or most of) 4 years, he was still getting payed. |
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Post by k5 on Dec 13, 2010 2:22:31 GMT -5
i've ruptured a disc in my back, and obviously not all injuries nor people are the same, but that's why i have the basis that i do ( plus the fact that michael's notorious for being untrustworthy in his claims). i'm not saying i'm definitely right, i'm only saying i'm critical of the whole thing. he obviously had some back issues, to what degree is what i really question. Yet another thing that is far from certain. Shawn had a huge ego but so did the main people, Bret Hart and Shane Douglas, who accused the faking of knee injuries. Whatever Bret and Shawn have said about one another over the years should always be taken with a grain of salt. Their animosity might stretch back as far as 1990 so the "controversy" over WM 19 might be a product of Bret's dislike of Michaels. In the case of Douglas, he was a mediocre performer who thought he was special but time proved that he wasn't. He is still bitter and lashing out at people like the Kliq and Ric Flair. It is hard for me to take anything he says seriously. I think the most likely case of HBK refusing to job was his tiff with Vader, though that wasn't injury related. the proof is there. one minute he's lost his smile, a month later he's bouncing around again. and as for not jobbing, he tried to get out of jobbing to austin at wrestlemania 14, but taker started rolling his knuckles in a menacing form and michaels got the picture. pretty sure taker verified that story. |
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Post by k5 on Dec 13, 2010 2:25:09 GMT -5
oh for chrissake, outlandish? it's basically public knowledge that he'd dodge out of different situations with faked injuries, particularly the knee injury of 97. i don't believe someone who suffered a 'career ending' back injury goes on to moonsault and jump off ladders a couple times a month for 7 years. THAT is outlandish, to me. Yes, he did it before, doesn't mean he did it again. Why would he miss out of 4 years of huge pay days just to sell a fake injury? Ric Flair was in a "career ending" plane crash or at least that is what the doctors said. He's still going 30 years later. ric flair also evidently shows it. he's never taken a bump properly since. and why would michaels dodge out of the wwf at this time? political reasons. he was probably losing his top spot and new it. that's just one perfectly feasible possibility that comes to mind. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Dec 13, 2010 3:38:10 GMT -5
the proof is there. one minute he's lost his smile, a month later he's bouncing around again. and as for not jobbing, he tried to get out of jobbing to austin at wrestlemania 14, but taker started rolling his knuckles in a menacing form and michaels got the picture. pretty sure taker verified that story. Actually, both Taker and HBK have said the story is BS. Honestly, it does a disservice to Taker. He has a rep for being a legit tough guy as well as a locker room leader. Threatening a much smaller, injured guy wouldn't have done anything to enhance either of those reps. Moreoever, I've never heard anyone say that HBK didn't plan to job. He was upset about having to step away from the spotlight and was upset about the supposed "double cross" spot with the SCSA shirt, but he was only there to job to Austin. In fact, his doctors told him to cease wrestling immediately after RR for fear of paralysis and he told them, "I can't stop. I have to have one more match." If you look at the RAWs leading up to WM 14, HBK was having problems just walking. Most people, himself included, thought his career was over. I don't think he was making any future plans to be an active wrestler at that point. He was lucky to survive WM without crippling himself. |
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Post by slappy on Dec 13, 2010 4:42:56 GMT -5
Yes, he did it before, doesn't mean he did it again. Why would he miss out of 4 years of huge pay days just to sell a fake injury? Ric Flair was in a "career ending" plane crash or at least that is what the doctors said. He's still going 30 years later. ric flair also evidently shows it. he's never taken a bump properly since. and why would michaels dodge out of the wwf at this time? political reasons. he was probably losing his top spot and new it. that's just one perfectly feasible possibility that comes to mind. But he has still taken a ton of bumps. No, he's not doing a moonsault to the outside of the ring, but he's fallen off ladders. |
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Post by slappy on Dec 13, 2010 4:43:32 GMT -5
Yes, he did it before, doesn't mean he did it again. Why would he miss out of 4 years of huge pay days just to sell a fake injury? Ric Flair was in a "career ending" plane crash or at least that is what the doctors said. He's still going 30 years later. I remember watching on a DVD (McMahon, I believe) with Shawn saying Vince was a great man and he thanked him because the whole (or most of) 4 years, he was still getting payed. Well that was extremely nice of him. |
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Post by k5 on Dec 13, 2010 16:46:59 GMT -5
ric flair also evidently shows it. he's never taken a bump properly since. and why would michaels dodge out of the wwf at this time? political reasons. he was probably losing his top spot and new it. that's just one perfectly feasible possibility that comes to mind. But he has still taken a ton of bumps. No, he's not doing a moonsault to the outside of the ring, but he's fallen off ladders. yes, and he will gravely pay for it as he already is. |
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Post by k5 on Dec 13, 2010 16:50:23 GMT -5
the proof is there. one minute he's lost his smile, a month later he's bouncing around again. and as for not jobbing, he tried to get out of jobbing to austin at wrestlemania 14, but taker started rolling his knuckles in a menacing form and michaels got the picture. pretty sure taker verified that story. Actually, both Taker and HBK have said the story is BS. Honestly, it does a disservice to Taker. He has a rep for being a legit tough guy as well as a locker room leader. Threatening a much smaller, injured guy wouldn't have done anything to enhance either of those reps. Moreoever, I've never heard anyone say that HBK didn't plan to job. He was upset about having to step away from the spotlight and was upset about the supposed "double cross" spot with the SCSA shirt, but he was only there to job to Austin. In fact, his doctors told him to cease wrestling immediately after RR for fear of paralysis and he told them, "I can't stop. I have to have one more match." If you look at the RAWs leading up to WM 14, HBK was having problems just walking. Most people, himself included, thought his career was over. I don't think he was making any future plans to be an active wrestler at that point. He was lucky to survive WM without crippling himself. not sure about that story, but i'll take your word on it. i'm not disputing anything you said there, but i still think what i do. that information about michael's doctor means nothing to me, such things are easily, easily staged. i simply don't believe someone can suffer a career ending back injury and go on to wrestle like he did. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 12:49:05 GMT -5
nice to see a well worked out & civil discussion lads.....well done
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Dec 16, 2010 5:23:49 GMT -5
nice to see a well worked out & civil discussion lads.....well done Thanks. I enjoy an intellectual conversation over a flame war typed in the kind of style that..well, the kind of style that HBK uses on his Twitter. ;D |
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Post by Chip on Dec 16, 2010 15:36:53 GMT -5
its a shame HBK never got a proper WWE title run after his return...actually ANY WWE title run.
he only had the WHC for a short time.
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