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Post by McBlake on Dec 10, 2010 11:20:52 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me really. Was watching the riots live with my Product Design teacher He was telling me that he fears that Scotland may copy though, but I doubt it.
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Post by Terrys Wrestling Figures on Dec 10, 2010 11:56:27 GMT -5
Yes you should have to pay. 15 years of free education is enough. It isn't ever free, havn't you ever heard of tax? Your tax money goes to fund stuff like schools. but those years of school aren't a choice on weather or not you want to go, college & uni are a choice you make to do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 14:00:38 GMT -5
For sake... Thats like... Over £30,000 if you want to spend 4 years at uni... I'll have a ing mortgage before I own a home
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Post by jonmc999 on Dec 10, 2010 14:46:48 GMT -5
So people are unhappy that they have to pay more money to study, so the best thing they can do is smash up London how mature, (not all students I admit) but how does spraying paint over the Supreme Court, Cenotaph, Topshop and smashing up every phone box in sight,
Regarding people who have said they are never voting Lib Dems again, well they were never ever going to get in to power and the other Two main parties Labour and Conservative stated that the fees would rise, Labour were the ones who bought in the fees and Conservatives stated that they wanted the fees to rise yet people still voted for them so it would not have made any difference who got in,
I find it disgusting that these people were out fighting the police they are supposed to be the future of this country, I dread to think what state this country will be in, in 30 years.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Dec 10, 2010 15:16:25 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me really. Was watching the riots live with my Product Design teacher He was telling me that he fears that Scotland may copy though, but I doubt it. You'll have a load of pressure to start charging, Westminster won't let Scotland carry on with free university without making budget cuts in other areas.
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Post by totti on Dec 10, 2010 17:05:21 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me really. Was watching the riots live with my Product Design teacher He was telling me that he fears that Scotland may copy though, but I doubt it. You'll have a load of pressure to start charging, Westminster won't let Scotland carry on with free university without making budget cuts in other areas. doubt anything will happen.
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Post by Eat Defeat. on Dec 10, 2010 18:18:07 GMT -5
There was supposedly protests and riots by students yesterday in Glasgow's city centre. I was slightly worried because the ing students where smashing shop windows and my gf works in a restaurant in the area. Thankfully nothing happened where she was. the students. I'm not at college and couldn't give a about their fees.
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Post by GBGav on Dec 10, 2010 18:29:52 GMT -5
I think most of the violence came from people who may not be students, but were just hooligans looking for an excuse to cause damage. Any self respecting person hoping to get into university would not have trashed war memorials. When they get caught on camera doing it, no university will accept them if they know what they've done. The Newcastle demos went on without an incident.
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Post by Joe CR on Dec 11, 2010 9:04:34 GMT -5
So people are unhappy that they have to pay more money to study, so the best thing they can do is smash up London how mature, (not all students I admit) but how does spraying paint over the Supreme Court, Cenotaph, Topshop and smashing up every phone box in sight, Regarding people who have said they are never voting Lib Dems again, well they were never ever going to get in to power and the other Two main parties Labour and Conservative stated that the fees would rise, Labour were the ones who bought in the fees and Conservatives stated that they wanted the fees to rise yet people still voted for them so it would not have made any difference who got in, I find it disgusting that these people were out fighting the police they are supposed to be the future of this country, I dread to think what state this country will be in, in 30 years. Another who has fallen straight into the belief that all the protests were violent. If you actually watched the news closely you'd realise that at the same time there were tens of thousands of peaceful students making their point known. As Gavska said, even the violent ones were mostly not done by students instead others just wanting to smash things up for the sake of it. And the police are far from perfect. A friend of mine went up to the protests, didn't put a hand on anyone and was hit by a policemen for absolutely no reason. Anyone remember the G20 protests? Perfect example.
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Post by dimshady on Dec 11, 2010 11:17:19 GMT -5
So people are unhappy that they have to pay more money to study, so the best thing they can do is smash up London how mature, (not all students I admit) but how does spraying paint over the Supreme Court, Cenotaph, Topshop and smashing up every phone box in sight, Regarding people who have said they are never voting Lib Dems again, well they were never ever going to get in to power and the other Two main parties Labour and Conservative stated that the fees would rise, Labour were the ones who bought in the fees and Conservatives stated that they wanted the fees to rise yet people still voted for them so it would not have made any difference who got in, I find it disgusting that these people were out fighting the police they are supposed to be the future of this country, I dread to think what state this country will be in, in 30 years. Another who has fallen straight into the belief that all the protests were violent. If you actually watched the news closely you'd realise that at the same time there were tens of thousands of peaceful students making their point known. As Gavska said, even the violent ones were mostly not done by students instead others just wanting to smash things up for the sake of it. And the police are far from perfect. A friend of mine went up to the protests, didn't put a hand on anyone and was hit by a policemen for absolutely no reason. Anyone remember the G20 protests? Perfect example. If i was a copper id punch the lot of em first too, other wise they might end up with a fire extinguisher on there head. (he was exposed as a student too btw.) No excuse, there a disgrace, but il pick up the bill for the damage thats been caused through tax, thanks again.
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Post by noir on Dec 11, 2010 21:58:30 GMT -5
Being in my second year at uni, I kind of consider myself lucky although I may have to consider not doing post grad now . I know that the effects of the cuts are definitely being inflated (although many university staff still face losing their jobs, with departmental cuts everywhere but in the field of science and I believe maths) and many are using this as an excuse to simply 'fight the man' without having any real knowledge towards the issue. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for anarchy but be honest about it However, it's said to be around £25 billion in tax that has been avoided by big companies (Topshop, Boots to name a few) and guess what? it's been written off! This money could protect jobs and reduce service cuts. Instead, of course, anyone who isn't the upper class that has to pay for it. There's also too much of a 'well that's just the way things are' attitude. Way too much indifference. Way too many people who care more about who will win X factor than their own socio-economic futures.
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Post by cheecheung on Dec 12, 2010 1:01:41 GMT -5
I absolutly ing hate students. I don't mean every single student, but I mean the ones who act like their opinion is the only one that matters and they hide behind their human rights and say phrases like "it's my right to do this and that". The ones that wear those stupid, tight, girly clothes and claim they're "individuals" while prancing around in their mass produced clothing. Some of the states I've seen on the TV, I just can't take their argument seriously. They just ing anger me so much. The only reason they're against the fees rising is because it means in the long run they have to pay more money. "Education should be free"... ok then, in the future, when you have all your information, why don't you spend 4 years teaching the same group of people everything YOU know for free, because that's what you're basically asking Universities to do now.They're so ignorant, stupid and bigoted to understand that it's a better deal. It'll help with reducing the national debt and take the strain off the tax payers. Plus, you don't even need to pay back a single penny until you're earning over £20,000 a year which is about £1,500 a month. That's minimum, too. With the education you're scoring, you could easily get a £40,000 job if he opportunity arose. Like I said perviously, it's not like the government claim back every penny until you've repaid in full. They take a little bit of your huge salary and pay it back over time. To summerise, those who oppose the fees clearly don't understand the deal on the table and are just being selfish and childish believing that they're being ripped off and then trying to throw the Human Rights card in there. Pathetic. Going to University isn't free. Most students currently have to pay £3,000+ each year with it going up slightly the following year. Universities do not teach students for free. Even before the uni fees came into place the teachers were not teaching for free since the government pays their salary so I do not understand what you're arguing about. When it comes to 2012 and Universities are charging £9,000 or whatever they like, it's a bit extreme. Just because once students have graduated and they start working where they don't have to pay it all back at once, they're still going to be in debt for the rest of their life. It's not as easy as you think getting a £40,000+ job. You're lucky to be able to get a graduate job right now. How many of your friends/family do you honestly know that are earning that much a year? Not trying to have a go at you, just trying to make you see both sides.
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Post by cheecheung on Dec 12, 2010 1:02:55 GMT -5
Being in my second year at uni, I kind of consider myself lucky although I may have to consider not doing post grad now . I know that the effects of the cuts are definitely being inflated (although many university staff still face losing their jobs, with departmental cuts everywhere but in the field of science and I believe maths) and many are using this as an excuse to simply 'fight the man' without having any real knowledge towards the issue. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for anarchy but be honest about it However, it's said to be around £25 billion in tax that has been avoided by big companies (Topshop, Boots to name a few) and guess what? it's been written off! This money could protect jobs and reduce service cuts. Instead, of course, anyone who isn't the upper class that has to pay for it. There's also too much of a 'well that's just the way things are' attitude. Way too much indifference. Way too many people who care more about who will win X factor than their own socio-economic futures. If you choose to do a post grad, it's not going to affect you. The increase in fees only affects 1st year students, not current students.
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Post by jonmc999 on Dec 12, 2010 2:17:27 GMT -5
So people are unhappy that they have to pay more money to study, so the best thing they can do is smash up London how mature, (not all students I admit) but how does spraying paint over the Supreme Court, Cenotaph, Topshop and smashing up every phone box in sight, Regarding people who have said they are never voting Lib Dems again, well they were never ever going to get in to power and the other Two main parties Labour and Conservative stated that the fees would rise, Labour were the ones who bought in the fees and Conservatives stated that they wanted the fees to rise yet people still voted for them so it would not have made any difference who got in, I find it disgusting that these people were out fighting the police they are supposed to be the future of this country, I dread to think what state this country will be in, in 30 years. Another who has fallen straight into the belief that all the protests were violent. If you actually watched the news closely you'd realise that at the same time there were tens of thousands of peaceful students making their point known. As Gavska said, even the violent ones were mostly not done by students instead others just wanting to smash things up for the sake of it. And the police are far from perfect. A friend of mine went up to the protests, didn't put a hand on anyone and was hit by a policemen for absolutely no reason. Anyone remember the G20 protests? Perfect example. I think you need to read my post again, I did not say that it was every student, but i bet you that over 75% were students, I admit there were ones that wanted to prostest peacefully. Regarding the G20 prostest, Once again people only see what they wanted to see OK someone died, what you dont hear is how is was swearing at the police and laid his hands on a copper first. If students want to protest do it in Hyde park where they cant do any damage, If violence breaks out and you truly are peacefull student leave or get to a place where you wont be classed as being involved, will they do that, no they wont because everyone wants something for nothing and wants to blame everyone else. Yea the polic emight have seem to be heavy handed but that is what was needed, If i was in charge I would have bought out the Water Cannons like in other countries
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Post by noir on Dec 12, 2010 15:32:24 GMT -5
If you choose to do a post grad, it's not going to affect you. The increase in fees only affects 1st year students, not current students. Are you sure of this? I'm not exactly that knowledgeable about the situation but so as far as I know, I will have to pay more to do post grad study in 2012 than I would have to if I were to take it next year? It's as if I were 'starting over'. Either way - I'll be in a ton of debt when I graduate.. what difference does a few thousand more make
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Post by hbkjason on Dec 13, 2010 4:03:38 GMT -5
This is a tough one its easy for me as I graduated a few years back, but I can't tell you how many people I knew at Uni who simply went there for as many put it something to do. I think the higher fees will put of these kind of people. A lot of people go to Uni for the lifestyle rather than education or a couple of guys I knew even said going to Uni was better than getting a jo. Its not as if the government is asking for the fees up front like any thing in life if you really want it you have to sacrifice for it. The higher fees may also put a stop to these people who do pointless "Mickey Mouse" degrees for example ( no offence intended) media studies they spend 3 years at Uni then go and get a job in a shop somewhere not that there is anything at all wrong in working in retail but why go to Uni for 3 years and not do anything with it.
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