Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Mar 21, 2011 19:41:38 GMT -5
Guys, let's cut back on the name-calling. Disagreeing is one thing because it sparks discussion, but let's not get into personal attacks.
I haven't had to lock anything on this board in a long time, which is very much appreciated. Let's keep that trend going.
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Post by 1992 on Mar 21, 2011 19:54:15 GMT -5
Guys, let's cut back on the name-calling. Disagreeing is one thing because it sparks discussion, but let's not get into personal attacks. I haven't had to lock anything on this board in a long time, which is very much appreciated. Let's keep that trend going. SteveHulk and I sorted out some things via PM about the back and fourth we've been having. No worries, we're all striving to keep this board intelligent and thriving. It's one of, if not THE finest board WF has.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Mar 21, 2011 21:40:44 GMT -5
Man, Shogun got beat up, to say the least. He was beat up and gassed at the end of the 1st and you pretty much knew then that "Bones" Jones had taken the fight right out of Shogun.
The size, reach and striking technique of Jones will be extremely hard for anyone to conquer. His striking with the knees, leg-kicks and spinning-back elbows are freakin' deadly. They all add up and cause massive amounts of damage in short order.
I just don't know who will take the belt from Jones....You just never know who will win in an MMA fight. Lots of people are already doubting Rashad's abilities, but never count him out. He's been the champ before and who knows, he very well could be the champ again.
Any fighter can have a bad night. NO one fighter can go unbeaten. It's just not possible. At least we got our answer as to who would be the first fighter to drop their title in 2011 and that was Shogun Rua.
Congrats to "Bones" Jones for a sweet victory.
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Post by K5 on Mar 24, 2011 0:09:39 GMT -5
both shogun and cro cop's losses were heartbreaking to me.
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Post by 1992 on Mar 24, 2011 0:27:15 GMT -5
both shogun and cro cop's losses were heartbreaking to me. Yup. It's not necessarily that they lost, it's just the fashion in which they lost. Cro Cop - By total KTFO Shogun - 3 round of one of the most one-sided pummelings I've ever seen live, followed by a horrendous knee/strike combo TKO Just not a good night for either. I'm thrilled for Bones, he's been steadily climbing my list since the Bonnar fight, but damn....just hard to see one of my original favorites manhandled and torn apart like that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2011 3:19:03 GMT -5
I'll be pulling for Rashad to beat Jones. I just don't like Jones - he doesn't interest me whatsoever. Yeah, I don't see what's so interesting about a 23 year old, extremely well rounded fighter that FINISHES fights, can take you down and actually impose his will while being able to transition to dominant positions with very few problems; has destroyed EVERYONE that's been put in front of him; can fight both southpaw or regular; will stand and bang; and is very unorthodox to the point of fighters we've never seen. I can see where you're coming from... Give me Jon Fitch, Rashad Evans, Gray Maynard and King Mo ANYDAY over the likes of Jon Jones, Jose Aldo, Frankie Edgar, Urijah Faber, Joseph Benavidez, etc... Don't lower yourself to the guy waiting for a reaction. I agree with all the above sentiments, it was very hard watching Shogun get beaten like that, ring rust is real no matter what way you want to look at it, guys who train or have been out with injuries know this. Agree with Patrick above, Jones is a new breed i just hope he gets some sort of a test and wasn't way before his time.
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Post by Gonzo Customs on Mar 25, 2011 21:50:12 GMT -5
Rashad's only chance is the greco clinch, low single, and leg kicks. He needs to go to Randy for his fight camp.
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Post by Sonnen on Mar 26, 2011 11:02:21 GMT -5
I've heard people been saying, it's Shogun knees, it's ring rust, among other things. There is no excuse making for Shogun, he wasn't good enough on the night. Jones was the better fighter that night. And I think Jones would give a PRIDE Shogun a run for his money. A lot comes down to Jones just being better.
As far as Shogun goes, well we'll see how well he is come the next fight, he'll have had enough time to train, would of come of the fight with Jones and have no excuse or ring rust. There will be no excuse if he loses or put on a crap performance, it will just come down to the Shogun we see now not being that good in this day and age.
Edit: It just pisses me off when people try and make excuses for the guy, it takes away from Jones win, when at the end of the day the reality of it is. Right now he is better than Shogun and earned his title.
I like Shogun, I normally enjoy his fights, but if he isn't in the best shape or condition to fight the opponents put up in front of him, there is no excuse making for him. That's his own problem and if he can't work round them, he should consider quitting. I'm sure I'll get crapfor this, but I don't care, rather be blunt about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2011 15:25:28 GMT -5
I've heard people been saying, it's Shogun knees, it's ring rust, among other things. There is no excuse making for Shogun, he wasn't good enough on the night. Jones was the better fighter that night. And I think Jones would give a PRIDE Shogun a run for his money. A lot comes down to Jones just being better. As far as Shogun goes, well we'll see how well he is come the next fight, he'll have had enough time to train, would of come of the fight with Jones and have no excuse or ring rust. There will be no excuse if he loses or put on a crap performance, it will just come down to the Shogun we see now not being that good in this day and age. Edit: It just pisses me off when people try and make excuses for the guy, it takes away from Jones win, when at the end of the day the reality of it is. Right now he is better than Shogun and earned his title. I like Shogun, I normally enjoy his fights, but if he isn't in the best shape or condition to fight the opponents put up in front of him, there is no excuse making for him. That's his own problem and if he can't work round them, he should consider quitting. I'm sure I'll get poop for this, but I don't care, rather be blunt about it. People have to "Make excuses" for him because sadly the majority of internet forums are populated with guys who wouldn't set foot in a gym to train if you paid them, so you HAVE to explain what ring rust is and it looks like your making excuses. Jones was better on the night, we get that. Does that tarnish Shoguns legacy, not a hope. Does it mean he should quit, not a chance. Fedor was beaten twice in a year, doesn't mean he won't go down as P4P best ever.
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Post by Sonnen on Mar 26, 2011 15:50:51 GMT -5
I've heard people been saying, it's Shogun knees, it's ring rust, among other things. There is no excuse making for Shogun, he wasn't good enough on the night. Jones was the better fighter that night. And I think Jones would give a PRIDE Shogun a run for his money. A lot comes down to Jones just being better. As far as Shogun goes, well we'll see how well he is come the next fight, he'll have had enough time to train, would of come of the fight with Jones and have no excuse or ring rust. There will be no excuse if he loses or put on a crap performance, it will just come down to the Shogun we see now not being that good in this day and age. Edit: It just pisses me off when people try and make excuses for the guy, it takes away from Jones win, when at the end of the day the reality of it is. Right now he is better than Shogun and earned his title. I like Shogun, I normally enjoy his fights, but if he isn't in the best shape or condition to fight the opponents put up in front of him, there is no excuse making for him. That's his own problem and if he can't work round them, he should consider quitting. I'm sure I'll get poop for this, but I don't care, rather be blunt about it. People have to "Make excuses" for him because sadly the majority of internet forums are populated with guys who wouldn't set foot in a gym to train if you paid them, so you HAVE to explain what ring rust is and it looks like your making excuses. Jones was better on the night, we get that. Does that tarnish Shoguns legacy, not a hope. Does it mean he should quit, not a chance. Fedor was beaten twice in a year, doesn't mean he won't go down as P4P best ever. Yes ring rust does exist, did it come in to play? We don't know that, we really won't know that until we see his next performance, if he looks better, stands a chance it was down to ring rust. Otherwise it was down to just not being that good any more. I don't buy in to the crap of his knees being a valid argument in any light. (I know you didn't mention it, I don't think, but many people do) You play with the cards you're dealt with, if his knees are not like they use to be, and it effects his performance, that's just the fighter he is now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking/targeting you. As a whole people jump from the knees argument right over to the ring rust argument. Jones is the better fighter right now or at least on the night. We don't truly know what's up with Shogun's performance right now. So it really is an excuse, or wrong to jump on the ring rust argument until we see more of him. I mean you take a look at Griffin against Franklin, ring rust doesn't always come in to play. I don't see a need to defend Shoguns loss in the slightest, as you said loosing the fight isn't going to effect his legacy and such. As far as quitting goes, if this is a sign of things to come, and it's more than ring rust, and he is going to look like he did, quitting is always a consideration. I'd rather people not look at Shogun like they do at Cro Cop. But yea, I have nothing against Shogun, I think he's awesome, all I think is that it's unfair how heavily the internet is defending Shogun's loss to Jones, almost if there trying to bury the kids dream win as if it was meaningless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2011 16:23:02 GMT -5
People have to "Make excuses" for him because sadly the majority of internet forums are populated with guys who wouldn't set foot in a gym to train if you paid them, so you HAVE to explain what ring rust is and it looks like your making excuses. Jones was better on the night, we get that. Does that tarnish Shoguns legacy, not a hope. Does it mean he should quit, not a chance. Fedor was beaten twice in a year, doesn't mean he won't go down as P4P best ever. Yes ring rust does exist, did it come in to play? We don't know that, we really won't know that until we see his next performance, if he looks better, stands a chance it was down to ring rust. Otherwise it was down to just not being that good any more. I stopped here, why should we have to wait for his next performance to judge if it was ring rust, surely the TIME he spent out and compare it to his last 3 fights. He was a shadow of his former self, of course he had ring rust. Saying , let's wait till his next fight to judge if he had ring rust is one of the stupidest things I've read on this board, and i was here when people thought jsh was a god.
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Post by SteveHulk on Mar 29, 2011 1:32:34 GMT -5
Yes ring rust does exist, did it come in to play? We don't know that, we really won't know that until we see his next performance, if he looks better, stands a chance it was down to ring rust. Otherwise it was down to just not being that good any more. I stopped here, why should we have to wait for his next performance to judge if it was ring rust, surely the TIME he spent out and compare it to his last 3 fights. He was a shadow of his former self, of course he had ring rust. Saying , let's wait till his next fight to judge if he had ring rust is one of the stupidest things I've read on this board, and i was here when people thought jsh was a god. I think Lelouch's statement was fair actually - we won't really know until his next fight whether it was just ring-rust... he looked (physically) out of shape in this fight and was gassed after about 3 minutes - if he's like that in his next fight, then his knees/training are obviously not going to plan - or he's just on a downward spiral. As I said before, I'd love to see a rematch with Forrest or Rampage so we could gauge where he's "at".
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Post by 1992 on Mar 29, 2011 1:38:43 GMT -5
I'll agree with the above sentiment to. I'm in no way, shape, or form denying Shogun was out of the loop due to the prolonged injury, but at the same time, we have to face facts, he looked bloody ing atrocious. And Shogun is one of my favorites...ever, but he just looked bad. Beyond "ring rust" bad. He seemed off, the same way BJ Penn seemed completely off in both of the Edgar fights, the same way Silva looked off in the Sonnen fight(minus the greatest come-from-behind victory in the history of MMA lol) I'm definitely anxious to see what his next big move is for sure.
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Post by Sonnen on Mar 29, 2011 14:22:52 GMT -5
Thanks, nice to see some people who can look at more than one point and not just there own. ^_^
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