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Post by Bartman on Feb 12, 2011 15:27:43 GMT -5
"Bones" Jones is great, don't get me wrong, but I don't think he's good enough to beat Shogun yet. There's alot of great Light-Heavyweights I would think he should go through to get that shot. Forrest, Rampage, Machida, and Wanderlei are all top-tier fighters and I think he should've went through at least one of those guys to prove that he's ready to be at that top level. I wouldn't mind seeing "Bones" Jones win it, but I'm picking Shogun in this one. I think it'll be a great fight no matter what. I think you mean Thiago.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Feb 12, 2011 17:38:29 GMT -5
"Bones" Jones is great, don't get me wrong, but I don't think he's good enough to beat Shogun yet. There's alot of great Light-Heavyweights I would think he should go through to get that shot. Forrest, Rampage, Machida, and Wanderlei are all top-tier fighters and I think he should've went through at least one of those guys to prove that he's ready to be at that top level. I wouldn't mind seeing "Bones" Jones win it, but I'm picking Shogun in this one. I think it'll be a great fight no matter what. I think you mean Thiago. Yep, you are right. Duh...Had a brain fart there.. ;D I knew it was one of the many "Silva's" in the sport.
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Post by Neos on Feb 12, 2011 19:47:35 GMT -5
Jon Jones will beat Shogun then his nuthuggers will be like "Oh he just has ring rust so it doesn't count,Shogun is reallly still the best" But if Shogun wins, his nuthuggers would say "Oh hes the best LHW right now and hes invicible" and all that crap. Honestly I hate Shogun fanboys.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 12, 2011 20:07:09 GMT -5
Shogun is the champion for a reason. If he wins, why the hell can he NOT say that he's the best Light Heavyweight around? Makes no sense.
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Post by Neos on Feb 12, 2011 20:09:40 GMT -5
Shogun is the champion for a reason. If he wins, why the hell can he NOT say that he's the best Light Heavyweight around? Makes no sense. true but if he loses, his fans will still say he's the best and just say that he had ring rust. Shogun is good, but he's not a MMA god.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 12, 2011 20:19:45 GMT -5
Ring rust is real. I expect him to be more prepared than he was before his previous layoffs. He's one of the best fighters of all time, like it or not. There's no reason not to like him. He was the first guy to expose the "unbeatable" Lyoto Machida, and knocked him out. Come on, bro. Show respect to this guy.
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Post by Neos on Feb 12, 2011 20:24:10 GMT -5
Ring rust is real. I expect him to be more prepared than he was before his previous layoffs. He's one of the best fighters of all time, like it or not. There's no reason not to like him. He was the first guy to expose the "unbeatable" Lyoto Machida, and knocked him out. Come on, bro. Show respect to this guy. I respect Shogun. Heck he has beaten Rampage Jackson,Chuck Liddell,Lyoto Machida,Lil Nog,and Alistair Overeem. But I hate people who feel that anything Rua does is right. He's human, just like eveybody else.
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Post by SteveHulk on Feb 13, 2011 0:55:00 GMT -5
Shogun is the champion for a reason. If he wins, why the hell can he NOT say that he's the best Light Heavyweight around? Makes no sense. ...like you did when Brock was HW champion...?
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Feb 13, 2011 0:59:31 GMT -5
Shogun is the champion for a reason. If he wins, why the hell can he NOT say that he's the best Light Heavyweight around? Makes no sense. I disagree with that. I don't think if he beats Jones, he is the number one Light Heavyweight. Right now, I think Rashad Evans is the number one Light Heavyweight. And I do believe Rashad WOULD have beaten Shogun. If Jones wins tomorrow, are you gonna say he's the best Light Heavyweight? I sure as hell won't.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 13, 2011 4:20:35 GMT -5
Shogun is the champion for a reason. If he wins, why the hell can he NOT say that he's the best Light Heavyweight around? Makes no sense. I disagree with that. I don't think if he beats Jones, he is the number one Light Heavyweight. Right now, I think Rashad Evans is the number one Light Heavyweight. And I do believe Rashad WOULD have beaten Shogun. If Jones wins tomorrow, are you gonna say he's the best Light Heavyweight? I sure as hell won't. Yes, I will. Shogun is the #1 heavyweight in the world right now, and if Jones beats him, Jones will be #1. Simple.
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Feb 16, 2011 0:19:11 GMT -5
I disagree with that. I don't think if he beats Jones, he is the number one Light Heavyweight. Right now, I think Rashad Evans is the number one Light Heavyweight. And I do believe Rashad WOULD have beaten Shogun. If Jones wins tomorrow, are you gonna say he's the best Light Heavyweight? I sure as hell won't. Yes, I will. Shogun is the #1 heavyweight in the world right now, and if Jones beats him, Jones will be #1. Simple. I disagree, if Jones beats Shogun, he beats Shogun. Jones is the replacement fighter for Rashad so I wouldn't consider Jones to be the #1 Fighter in Light Heavyweight. Right now, it looks like this IMO: 1) Shogun 2) Rashad Evans 3) Rampage ( I can't stand him, but he did beat Lyoto) 4) Lyoto Machida 5) Jon Jones
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Post by K5 on Feb 16, 2011 21:55:56 GMT -5
yea faber!
and shogun will down jones easily.
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Post by DWright on Feb 17, 2011 4:29:54 GMT -5
Yes, I will. Shogun is the #1 heavyweight in the world right now, and if Jones beats him, Jones will be #1. Simple. I disagree, if Jones beats Shogun, he beats Shogun. Jones is the replacement fighter for Rashad so I wouldn't consider Jones to be the #1 Fighter in Light Heavyweight. Right now, it looks like this IMO: 1) Shogun 2) Rashad Evans 3) Rampage ( I can't stand him, but he did beat Lyoto) 4) Lyoto Machida 5) Jon Jones The people at MMAweekly.com would appreciate it if you didn't plagiarize their website. You say Rashad is #1 (which is ridiculous...Shogun is obviously the #1 LHW in the world, bare none) and then claim he's #2 in your very next post. Heh.
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Post by hammer on Feb 17, 2011 12:19:25 GMT -5
jon jones is my favorite fighter in the game right now, but if he beats shogun, i wouldnt neccessarily consider him the number 1 lhw in the world. jones' wins are not exactly a whos who... solid fighters sure, but not top of the division. matyushenko, vera, hamill (dq loss sure, but he was dominating), bonnar. bader is a nice win, but bader didnt exactly have a whos who win list either aside from lil nog.
i think bones is the most electric fighter in the game... his offense comes from anywhere, his striking is solid and his gnp is real good. enough to beat shogun? hes still only 23, lot of time to be a champion, not sure if its now though. a top 5 lhw in the division right now? not even sure of that, honestly. though rashad being the number 1 contender for laying on thiago silva, and more or less doing the same to rampage, is up for debate too.
on the other hand though... i cant put together a solid list of the top 5 lhw's without considering jones, thiago, rampage and evans. probably go... rua, machida, evans (meh), rampage and griffin (dominated by anderson silva, but he fed right into what silva loves to do, counter strike... that jardine fight really sucked for him too honestly, but yea). thiago and jones are on the cusp, but me personally... and yea, who am i but a drunken idiot... i think griffin has a much better resume than jones and thiago.
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Feb 18, 2011 0:57:42 GMT -5
I disagree, if Jones beats Shogun, he beats Shogun. Jones is the replacement fighter for Rashad so I wouldn't consider Jones to be the #1 Fighter in Light Heavyweight. Right now, it looks like this IMO: 1) Shogun 2) Rashad Evans 3) Rampage ( I can't stand him, but he did beat Lyoto) 4) Lyoto Machida 5) Jon Jones The people at MMAweekly.com would appreciate it if you didn't plagiarize their website. You say Rashad is #1 (which is ridiculous...Shogun is obviously the #1 LHW in the world, bare none) and then claim he's #2 in your very next post. Heh. I don't even know what mmaweekly.com is...? Yes, I obviously made a mistake. I do see personally, Rashad as the best Light Heavyweight in the world as of now. HOWEVER, Shogun is the champ so I'm giving Rashad number two spot. If Jones beats Shogun, Rashad will be number one IMO. Jones hasn't faced that tough of competition honestly.
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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 14, 2011 22:16:45 GMT -5
Updated the main post with my predictions and thoughts on some of the fights.
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Post by Adam235 on Mar 15, 2011 9:15:22 GMT -5
My picks Shogun Faber Marquardt Schaub Luiz Cane
Almeida and Pyle is a toss up for me. Also I'll be rooting for Cro Cop over Schaub and in the title fight, I like both a lot but I think Shogun right now is the better fighter so that's why I picked him to win..
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Post by MuffFuzz on Mar 15, 2011 17:01:36 GMT -5
Mauricio Rua Vs Jon Jones - Via Second Round Submission
Urijah Faber Vs Eddie Wineland - Via Second Round TKO
Jim Miller Vs Kamal Shalorus - Via Unanimous Decision
Dan Miller Vs Nate Marquardt - Via Unanimous Decision
Mirko Cro Cop Vs Brendan Schaub - Via First Round TKO
Even though I'm picking Shogun, I'm hoping Jones tools him. But I feel Rua's experience as a vet, superior striking and slick BJJ will get him the win.
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Post by jbarqu88 on Mar 15, 2011 17:26:39 GMT -5
Mauricio Rua Vs Jon Jones
Urijah Faber Vs Eddie Wineland
Jim Miller Vs Kamal Shalorus
Dan Miller Vs Nate Marquardt
Mirko Cro Cop Vs Brendan Schaub
I totally forgot that this was this Saturday. Hopefully Schaub wins, he seems to have a lot of potential and I would assume the winner of that fight, fights the winner of Nelson/Mir.
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Post by SteveHulk on Mar 15, 2011 22:11:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd quite like Schaub to win too. I know Cro-Cop still has a lot of (mainly diehard Pride) fans but he's been pretty poor in the UFC... like a lot of the Pride guys, his style hasn't transitioned particularly well in the cage. If he does lose to Schaub though, it's probably time to call it a career.
And I'd love Jones to beat Shogun - it might be a little too soon, but I still think he can pull it off... this could be the start of something special.
Mauricio Rua Vs Jon Jones
Urijah Faber Vs Eddie Wineland
Jim Miller Vs Kamal Shalorus
Dan Miller Vs Nate Marquardt
Mirko Cro Cop Vs Brendan Schaub
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