MuffFuzz
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Post by MuffFuzz on Mar 20, 2011 1:17:07 GMT -5
This really proved that Shogun's knees are too much of a factor. I said win or lose he will not last too much longer and tonight just proved it. He is beyond inconsistent, 3-3 in his last six fights, not good. I was so damn tired of the Shogun fans crying about him not being respected and counted out for this fight and even more tired when his manager was complaining about it too. How can you put a guy like Shogun as the favorite on the betting lines when in his last six fights he has been so inconsistent? I favored Rua in tonight's fight, but c'mon he held the belt up for a year after a dominating and quick win over Lyoto Machida. Getting injured in that fight was unacceptable IMHO.
And he tapped to strikes!
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Post by Neos on Mar 20, 2011 1:25:51 GMT -5
This really proved that Shogun's knees are too much of a factor. I said win or lose he will not last too much longer and tonight just proved it. He is beyond inconsistent, 3-3 in his last six fights, not good. I was so damn tired of the Shogun fans crying about him not being respected and counted out for this fight and even more tired when his manager was complaining about it too. How can you put a guy like Shogun as the favorite on the betting lines when in his last six fights he has been so inconsistent? I favored Rua in tonight's fight, but c'mon he held the belt up for a year after a dominating and quick win over Lyoto Machida. Getting injured in that fight was unacceptable IMHO. And he tapped to strikes! This. I was watching the countdown and all Shogun's manager could whine about was how he wasn't respected enough which got super annoying super fast. He used to be a huge name but ever since joining the UFC without his soccer kicks and stomps, he just isn't the same.
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Post by Overnight Sensation on Mar 20, 2011 1:44:53 GMT -5
Jon Jones will go down as the greatest fighter of all time...calling it now
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Post by 1992 on Mar 20, 2011 2:54:31 GMT -5
Yup. PRIDE and it's fighters are always looked at through rose-tinted glasses by some people - but they're not these best-in-the-world/unbeatable fighting machines most of the fanboys like to think (or thought...). Tonight just proved it again... man, Cro-Cop and Shogun getting owned in the same night - double whammy, lol. If only a new user could luckily join at this exact moment to reinforce your opinion further.
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Post by Kliquid on Mar 20, 2011 3:09:52 GMT -5
You know what I ing hate? These PRIDE-haters who come into these threads and bash the guys who were competing at a high level what was now six years ago and claiming "oh yeah, these guys were never THAT good." Seriously, shut the up. The rules were completely different (Shogun was THE BEST at soccer kicks, knees to downed opponents, face stomps, etc.), there weren't guys cutting down 40 pounds for fights, and the sport wasn't as evolved as it is today. Look, I'm not even trying to defend Shogun or Cro Cop. The better fighters won the fights tonight. There are no excuses. I figured Schaub would win, and I did think Shogun would put up more of a fight, but what I'm saying has nothing to do with that... The fact is that both Shogun and Cro Cop were in the top two in the world in their weight class for something like half a decade. That doesn't happen by accident. One could easily still make the case that Shogun is the No. 2 LHW in the world right now, so to downplay his capabilities is ing absurd. We may be looking at the best fighter of all time in Jon Jones, so let's calm down before we bash Shogun for looking like a lost puppy in the cage tonight.
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Post by 1992 on Mar 20, 2011 3:13:19 GMT -5
DOUBLE WHAMMY! LOLZ!
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Post by PdW2kX on Mar 20, 2011 3:26:08 GMT -5
Ariel Helwani posted a video up on MMA Fighting where Rashad Evans said "I'm done with Jackson's".
Wow, is all I can think. I wonder where Rashad goes from here.
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Post by 1992 on Mar 20, 2011 3:31:47 GMT -5
Ariel Helwani posted a video up on MMA Fighting where Rashad Evans said "I'm done with Jackson's". Wow, is all I can think. I wonder where Rashad goes from here. The hospital.
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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 20, 2011 4:34:52 GMT -5
I love how pretty much 100% of your replies (weather it has to do with it or not), is directed at PRIDE and PRIDE fans. Dude... PRIDE died years ago. I get it. I understand fighters now are more evolved. Shogun is the #2 LHW in the world right now, and just got beat by the better guy. I KNOW Cro Cop is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY passed his prime, but I also know he does possess the skills to defeat guys, but he lacks the real motivation for fighting, which he has even said himself that he lacks numerous times. I know PRIDE is dead, bro. Stop making every ing reply about PRIDE, when no one is even really bringing it up but you. And by the way, Fedor is STILL the greatest MMA fighter of all time. Say whatever the you want, but you CANNOT deny what he has done. He also still possesses skills, but lacks the real fundamentals to hang with some of the Heavyweights today. It's also REAL disrespectful to Werdum and Silva that defeated him because THEY WERE BETTER THAN HIM ON THAT NIGHT. Dissing Fedor is one thing, but don't diss the guys who beat him, because they deserve credit as well. Your whole demeanor is pretty disrespectful, as a matter of fact. Like I said, ALL YOU DO IS REPLY to EVERY thread and just HAVE to mention PRIDE. Please, shut the up man. I get it already.
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Post by 1992 on Mar 20, 2011 5:17:17 GMT -5
You know what I hate? People who religiously follow PRIDE fighters Like you do? In every other post? To bash them? Even going as far as to make fake accounts that you can agree with yourself on while you're pretending to be another poster? Yeah, I hate that too. Alot of other members are also getting really fed up with it. You can sit here and toss out "nuthugger, nuthugger, fanboy, nuthugger" 16 times like you will, but that little pretend account thing was extremely pathetic, and it's even worse that after completely humiliating yourself, being made a fool of, you still continue to drag out with this flawed, uneducated logic of yours. You know. I'll get this off my chest now before sh*t gets any worse...which I'm sure it will due yo you persistent Type A personality you carry yourself on here with, but the MMA boards were some of WF's finest. EVERY OTHER BOARD... Figures TNA WWE Sports Lounge Entertainment etc. Is plagued with non-stop fighting, fighting, fighting. Every other thread ends up derailed, usually thanks to the same handful of EXTREMELY annoying, dis-likable posters who like a broken record spout the same lines, repeatedly, usually just reworded, in every thread. And now, since you've started up with your whole "anti-PRIDE" gimmick, I've literally lost a desire to even post here anymore. In the 2 years I've posted on here, I cannot recall a MMA thread being locked due to fighting. Go take a look at the SF: Fedor vs. Bigfoot thread. And now, because you have to toot your own horn like a cocky 13 year old and continue, again after completely embarrassing yourself the first time, this thread is probably on the same track that the SF thread is on. That's a crying ing shame that these boards are being spoiled because one person chooses to, what was it? Religiously follow something around, bash it consistently in completely unnecessary way, knowing it's gonna cause arguments and rub EVERYONE else the wrong way, then have the audacity to claim that other "can't accept things". Oh yeah...mandatory emoticon...
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Post by PrideFcF on Mar 20, 2011 5:27:39 GMT -5
I love you Kliquid, 1991, and James.
The biggest problem I have with Stevehulks posts (outside of what James pointed out towards the men who defeated Fedor) is that he acts as if just because some of us aren't "fair weather" fans towards the ex-Pride guys, we're delusional. We loved these guys in their prime, and still support them today, regardless of their struggles.
I don't give a f*ck how bad my favorite fighters are doing, I'll always support them if they fight. If they lose, they lose. I still respect them for what they've done in the past, and for what they tried to do in the present, even if in a losing effort. Another huge misconception on your behalf is that we're supporting Pride itself through Rua, Wandy, Fedor, etc, and clinging onto something. The only aspects of Pride I miss are the production values and the announcers. Other than that, me loving the fighters that came from there is irrelevant to the brand name itself. They were fighting in MMA, and did damn well at the time. That's why I love(d) them.
We're not in some special, elitist club for loving old Pride guys, and neither are you for constantly calling out people who support its old fighters. It seems like the types of fans you're attacking aren't really found on this site, so you're rants are getting pretty old. On top of that, the repetition and tone of your comments also kinda makes you sound just as closed minded as the fans you're criticizing.
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Post by Kliquid on Mar 20, 2011 5:32:30 GMT -5
You know what I hate? People who religiously follow PRIDE fighters, won't admit their short-comings and are blind to what most other people can see... a perfect example is those who continued to rank Fedor as the best P4P fighter in the world - after he'd just LOST IN 1 MINUTE to Werdum. ing ridiculous. Not to mention the blind nuthuggery (for want of a much better word) that goes along with fighters like Cro-Cop and Shogun... it's no wonder so many people are pleased when they lose. PRIDE was yesteryear and fighters have evolved - it's just a shame the PRIDE fans can't except it. You do realize that Anderson Silva fought five times (and lost twice) in Pride, right? You're right in that many of the Pride fighters HAVEN'T adapted. If Cro Cop wanted to be competitive nowadays, he SHOULD be cutting to 205. But he doesn't. That's his fault. But NO ONE in their right mind has him anywhere near the top 10 in the world, or even in the UFC's heavyweight division alone. So I don't understand what your issue is. If you're saying that Shogun isn't any good, and wasn't ever any good, then I have nothing else to say to you because you clearly have absolutely no ing idea what you're talking about. The dude has beat Rampage Jackson, Antonio Rogerio Nogueira, Alistair Overeem (twice), Ricardo Arona, Chuck Liddell, AND he ended the undefeated streak of Lyoto Machida. He has EARNED his spot at the top of the light heavyweight division. Did Jon Jones prove he is better than Shogun tonight? Yes. But that doesn't mean Shogun is some scrub fighter who "doesn't adapt." In fact, Shogun is probably the best example of a fighter who HAS adapted his style, given that like half of his wins in Pride were with strikes that are illegal in the UFC; yet he was still able to win the UFC title in what is arguably the most competitive division in the company.
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Post by SteveHulk on Mar 20, 2011 5:41:19 GMT -5
OK, I don't want the thread to be locked - so I'll just say: sorry... I didn't realize it was that bad. The stupid thing is that I do actually like PRIDE itself (I have ALL the DVDs and figures) and I LOVE guys like Rampage, Nogueira and Wandy... I just get fed up with the die-hard fans sometimes (admittedly mainly on other forums). I'll try and reign it in though... sorry if I've offended anyone - I don't mean to be disrespectful.
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Post by 1992 on Mar 20, 2011 5:46:31 GMT -5
Anyways...lol
Trying to inch back on topic...kind of irrelevant and all, but did anyone else notice Jones walked out to Empire State of Mind? After he won and was posing down with his corner and the belt, it was playing in the background. Seriously insane to see live. I remember jumping up and freaking out when they offered Jones the title shot and thought that was a moment in itself, but to actually see him, still stunned, actually holding the belt, plus that song...
Damn, surreal. Hell of a moment. That's the kind of sh*t that really makes me love this sport. I mean I leaned over to my friend and said "And this guy is 2 years older than we are..." That's unreal. This guy just beat one of the greatest LHW fighters of all time, is the champion of the biggest MMA promotion in the world today, and yet I could have had high school classes with him a few years back. Unbelievable.
He also set the record for youngest title holder in any weight class in UFC history.
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Post by Kliquid on Mar 20, 2011 5:59:07 GMT -5
There are definitely Pride nuthuggers everywhere who claim that the guys from that promotion can basically do no wrong... But I really can't think of any who post here. This really isn't a big MMA board, though.
Like you said, 1991, it was spectacular to see Jones become champion tonight. Truly the dawning of a new era.
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Post by 1992 on Mar 20, 2011 6:10:32 GMT -5
PRIDE had it's short-comings just like UFC, StrikeForce, DREAM, Bellator, and every other MMA promotion out there. No company is perfect. PRIDE it's share of sh*t fights and sh*t fighters. But it also really changed the overall sport and practically multiplied the UFC's talent pool when it was absorbed. That's where the respect for the name and company comes from. Fedor, Cro Cop, Shogun, Wanderlei...etc. I could care less about banners, I would cheer for regardless because I like them. pridefc put it best, we don't cheer for them in some " YEAH! PRIDE VS. UFC!" way, we cheer for them because we're just fans. I also pull for BJ Penn, Nick Diaz, Stephan Bonnar, Jose Aldo, and Randy Couture(to name a few, and I stress few) each and every time they fight. I don't give a sh*t where they use to fight or what company they're most affiliated with, I just like them. I find them exciting and want them to continue to be relevant so I can watch them again in a few months. Although I'll be the first to say that Cro Cop needs to hang em up, and do it now. I say that about him, Ken Shamrock, Mark Coleman, Andre Arlovski, Tito Ortiz, and after the duel loses to Edgar, I thought Penn too. When you're done, you're done. Leave the memories alone, and move on.
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Post by Sandy on Mar 20, 2011 6:52:44 GMT -5
did anyone else feel a little sad during the main event?
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Post by sandmanecw on Mar 20, 2011 8:49:00 GMT -5
Ariel Helwani posted a video up on MMA Fighting where Rashad Evans said "I'm done with Jackson's". Wow, is all I can think. I wonder where Rashad goes from here. The hospital. lmao sweet I'm happy for Shogun and Cro Cop, they deserved this tonight. Good for them! But seriously, congrats to my hometown hero. I look forward to becoming the second UFC champ from this area.
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MuffFuzz
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Post by MuffFuzz on Mar 20, 2011 14:11:31 GMT -5
did anyone else feel a little sad during the main event? lol no. I was beyond elated. But honestly I didn't expect Rua to get destroyed like that but I enjoyed every single moment of that fight.
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Post by BasedGod on Mar 20, 2011 14:25:52 GMT -5
Cant believe Shogun just got ing destroyed like that. Jones was so explosive and impressed me tonight. Wasn't a huge fan of his but he definitely won me over with such a dominant win over a guy like Rua. Its nice that Jones got to showcase all of his skills too with that flying knee and spinning elbow, plus dominated the ground game. Shogun literally couldnt land anything on jones with that reach either.
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