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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2011 15:51:17 GMT -5
Just read the results, they pretty much went the way I thought the would (for the most part). Am a big Shogun fan, but Jones has impressed the hell out of me for a while now, congrats to him on becoming new LHW champ.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Mar 20, 2011 16:08:43 GMT -5
The volume was screwed up in the Applebees where I watched it.
What was the story with Jones disarming a robber?
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Post by SteveHulk on Mar 20, 2011 17:40:36 GMT -5
The volume was screwed up in the Applebees where I watched it. What was the story with Jones disarming a robber? Apparently, he was meditating in the park and saw/chased-down a mugger and held him until the police arrived. All in all, a pretty good day for Mr Jones...
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Post by Gonzo Customs on Mar 20, 2011 17:56:40 GMT -5
I was definitely rooting for Shogun in this one. However I knew the fight would either go very one sided, or would be an all out brawl with Shogun coming out on top. As the fight progressed, I was hoping Shogun would pull out a swift one punch KO.
But to be honest, was this really all that an impressive showing by Jones? Did anybody else notice that Shogun was gassed about 1 minute into the fight? Not to take away from the fact that Shogun has never been ko'd and Jones rocked him 6 or 7 times in the fight. Jones has brutal striking spawned by a uniquely lanky body. He has no muscular build to his entire body at all, just skin and bones, long limbs and tight ligaments.
I felt Shogun didn't even show up. This reminded me a lot of the Mir/Nog fight where everybody went nuts over Mir destroying Nog, come to find out Nog had staph or mono or some crapafterwards. Anybody who has seen a good number of Shogun or Nog fights should know that those were one off fights, where there bodies just couldn't take it. In this case, I don't think Shogun was sick, I think he was just too out of shape coming into the fight. Somebody mentioned a few weeks go(maybe 4-6 weeks out) that Shogun was still 20-30 lbs over weight. I don't know if this is true or not, but it seems so to see how sluggish he was after only a couple minutes in.
While I in no way mean to take away from the fact that Jones did really destroy Shogun, I just don't think if the Shogun we know had shown up it'd have been as one sided. The simple concept of striking is, you can't land punches(or kicks) that you don't throw. We saw very few punches and maybe 2 kicks from Shogun, both mid to high range, both stuffed and caught. Had we seen Shogun go out and leg kick the crap out of Jones, this might have been a different fight.
Grats to Jones for this tremendous victory. Jones won me over when he fought Hamil, he has a lot going for him and might be the one to finally hold on to the title for a few fights. We'll have to wait and see. Shogun will make another come back, he just needs to get his craptogether, I blame Shogun and Shogun alone for his lackluster effort and gassing.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 20, 2011 18:07:47 GMT -5
Jones is only 23. I honestly believe that he was simply in a state of complete shock after finishing Shogun. I mean, he's only a year older than me. Guys like me literally have dreams about knocking out the best fighters in the world and holding a belt over our heads. This guy actually did it, not even five years after graduating high school. THAT is quite literally, what dreams are made of.
Shogun didn't look himself tonight, but there's honestly nothing anyone can say to detract from Jone's win in such a fashion. I honestly feel like we may be looking at a new P4P king in the coming years.
Btw, I'm totally pulling for Rashad, but won't be surprised to see him staring at the lights when he fights Jones.
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Post by MuffFuzz on Mar 20, 2011 18:12:50 GMT -5
I was definitely rooting for Shogun in this one. However I knew the fight would either go very one sided, or would be an all out brawl with Shogun coming out on top. As the fight progressed, I was hoping Shogun would pull out a swift one punch KO. But to be honest, was this really all that an impressive showing by Jones? Did anybody else notice that Shogun was gassed about 1 minute into the fight? Not to take away from the fact that Shogun has never been ko'd and Jones rocked him 6 or 7 times in the fight. Jones has brutal striking spawned by a uniquely lanky body. He has no muscular build to his entire body at all, just skin and bones, long limbs and tight ligaments. I felt Shogun didn't even show up. This reminded me a lot of the Mir/Nog fight where everybody went nuts over Mir destroying Nog, come to find out Nog had staph or mono or some poop afterwards. Anybody who has seen a good number of Shogun or Nog fights should know that those were one off fights, where there bodies just couldn't take it. In this case, I don't think Shogun was sick, I think he was just too out of shape coming into the fight. Somebody mentioned a few weeks go(maybe 4-6 weeks out) that Shogun was still 20-30 lbs over weight. I don't know if this is true or not, but it seems so to see how sluggish he was after only a couple minutes in. While I in no way mean to take away from the fact that Jones did really destroy Shogun, I just don't think if the Shogun we know had shown up it'd have been as one sided. The simple concept of striking is, you can't land punches(or kicks) that you don't throw. We saw very few punches and maybe 2 kicks from Shogun, both mid to high range, both stuffed and caught. Had we seen Shogun go out and leg kick the crap out of Jones, this might have been a different fight. Grats to Jones for this tremendous victory. Jones won me over when he fought Hamil, he has a lot going for him and might be the one to finally hold on to the title for a few fights. We'll have to wait and see. Shogun will make another come back, he just needs to get his poop together, I blame Shogun and Shogun alone for his lackluster effort and gassing. Shogun should retire. No one fully grasps the concept of his knees being a liability. He doesn't have very many fights left because of that fact. It's a shame too, I mean really! But what the hell do you expect?
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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 20, 2011 19:27:12 GMT -5
"Shogun should retire"
I stopped after reading that.
Ring rust is real, man. Jones had a huge advantage of being in a fight just 6 weeks ago. Shogun was out 10 months.
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Post by Sonnen on Mar 20, 2011 19:52:58 GMT -5
There is a lot of reasons people are coming up with for Shoguns lost. Let us see Shogun fight again, then make up our minds.
But as far as I am an concerned, there is no excuse, Jones > Shogun as a fighter.
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Post by MuffFuzz on Mar 20, 2011 19:58:15 GMT -5
"Shogun should retire" I stopped after reading that. Ring rust is real, man. Jones had a huge advantage of being in a fight just 6 weeks ago. Shogun was out 10 months. I didn't need to elaborate, but I did!
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Post by 1992 on Mar 20, 2011 21:55:55 GMT -5
"Shogun should retire" I stopped after reading that. Ring rust is real, man. Jones had a huge advantage of being in a fight just 6 weeks ago. Shogun was out 10 months. I didn't need to elaborate, but I did! Wow. Can you act like a bigger douche?
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Post by PrideFcF on Mar 20, 2011 22:10:32 GMT -5
If every fighter retired after the first devastating losses of their career, there wouldn't be many guys competing today. Wandy would have stopped after the Vitor fight, Chuck would have quit after his first fight with Rampage, Penn would have hung them up after the 2nd GSP fight, Franklin would have walked away after the Machida loss, and so on.
Shogun definitely has something to consider with his knee, but it's not like he took one leg kick, crumbled, and couldn't get up. He just got beat up by a better fighter. Until we've seen his next couple of fights, there's no reason to assume he's suddenly washed up.
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Post by MuffFuzz on Mar 20, 2011 22:12:54 GMT -5
I didn't need to elaborate, but I did! Wow. Can you act like a bigger douche? Easily. But in all honesty I'm not the bad guy here. You want to know bad? Some people trolled Eduardo Alonso's thread over at the sherdog messageboards since Shogun Vs Jones with GIFS from the fight, now that's bad! And no, I wasn't one of the said trolls . Anyways, who should Shogun face next? Forrest rematch? Winner of Rampage Vs Hamill? Winner of Lil Nog Vs Davis?
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Post by Neos on Mar 20, 2011 22:19:54 GMT -5
"Shogun should retire" I stopped after reading that. Ring rust is real, man. Jones had a huge advantage of being in a fight just 6 weeks ago. Shogun was out 10 months. Oh no, Shogun fanboy to the rescue! Even if it was "ring rust", he should at least try to counter. All he did was hold his arms up and wait to get punched in the face. He really should retire at this rate. I mean, 3/6 wins is just not impressive. Pride Shogun was a monster but UFC Shogun is just overated.
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Post by PrideFcF on Mar 20, 2011 22:33:10 GMT -5
"Shogun should retire" I stopped after reading that. Ring rust is real, man. Jones had a huge advantage of being in a fight just 6 weeks ago. Shogun was out 10 months. Oh no, Shogun fanboy to the rescue! Even if it was "ring rust", he should at least try to counter. All he did was hold his arms up and wait to get punched in the face. He really should retire at this rate. I mean, 3/6 wins is just not impressive. Pride Shogun was a monster but UFC Shogun is just overated. Your being unimpressed with Shogun in the UFC doesn't make anyone who likes him some brain dead "fanboy". Stop throwing that word around. So he's 3-3 in the UFC. One of those wins was for the title, so that should be considered. There are guys who have twice as many wins in the octagon and still haven't managed to win a belt in their division. The guy is 29 and has only lost to good fighters. He lost a tough fight to Forrest, a close (controversial) decision to Machida, and got blown out by someone who could very well be the next big thing. He wasn't randomly KO'd by lower tier competition, so why the hell should he suddenly quit? I really don't understand this logic.
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Post by 1992 on Mar 20, 2011 22:48:16 GMT -5
Apparently that's the new thing around here...
"I don't have a solid grasp of or respect for the sport so I'll just call everyone I disagree with a nuthugger or fanboy."
I swear to God I feel like I'm back at the bar sitting next to Johnny McDoucheburger and David Meathead in their ED Hardy and Tapout gear talking about how much of a p*ssy (insert top tier, veteran fighter) is for tapping out to a perfectly executed kneebar and how they would have kicked them off and KTFO'd them in like 5 seconds.
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Post by Hawks_NFC West Champions on Mar 20, 2011 22:58:31 GMT -5
Wow, just posting to say this: Everyone has their own opinions, no need to rub a win or loss in someones face. I predicted Jones to win, but you don't see me bad mouthing them in this thread. These athletes are some of the toughest in the world and Jones and Shogun both deserve props for last night. Shogun took a beating but kept never giving up, and Jones absolutely proved he was a top fighter.
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Post by PrideFcF on Mar 20, 2011 23:08:10 GMT -5
I hear ya. I just really hate the fair-weather type fans and the people who emerge with the "HAHA TOLD YA SO" antics when fighters lose. And when you point it out the immaturity, you're just some fan boy. So I'm a fan boy for wanting to have a logical discussion about what could be next for Shogun instead of pointing and laughing at him? Come on now.
And well said Hawks.
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Post by 1992 on Mar 20, 2011 23:20:17 GMT -5
See to me the last two posts have been some of the purest logic possible. To me, that's like 2 + 2 = 4.
And it boggles my mind that by the time I check back tomorrow afternoon, at least 1 person will argue against it.
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Post by roddypiper on Mar 20, 2011 23:26:45 GMT -5
Apparently that's the new thing around here... "I don't have a solid grasp of or respect for the sport so I'll just call everyone I disagree with a nuthugger or fanboy." I swear to God I feel like I'm back at the bar sitting next to Johnny McDoucheburger and David Meathead in their ED Hardy and Tapout gear talking about how much of a p*ssy (insert top tier, veteran fighter) is for tapping out to a perfectly executed kneebar and how they would have kicked them off and KTFO'd them in like 5 seconds. I hear ya, that Johnny McDoucheburger is a real A-hole. Now, Shogun came of a knee repair and a already in shape Bones Trained for six more weeks. What the hell did you think was going to happen? I bet Shogun will be more prepared for his next fight. Personally I would like to see him fight Phil Davis. I don't see Rampage taking a fight against him. And I say that not seeing Matt Hamill beating Rampage.
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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 20, 2011 23:32:37 GMT -5
Not sure why everyone is on the Phil Davis boat. A guy who's best win is over Tim Boetsch isn't that quite impressive to me. See how he does against Nogueira before they start putting him in the top 10.
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