|
Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 9, 2011 23:59:04 GMT -5
Which is also the point of a message board, to debate and discuss. As long as people can be mature about it, it doesn't turn into fighting and a bad thing. Haha. Hardy can go as long as he did with Angle, but can't take one Mic Check from Anderson? I could get it if Hardy had nagging neck injury or something going into the match, but that's not the case. - Triple S It's all about what the audience wants to see. When Jeff is a face, people want to see him have an epic battle with Angle. When he's heel, they want to see the face make him look weak. It's a traditional battle of good vs. evil, and what society expects from such a confrontation. Not talking about kayfabe. Talking about how the match was put together.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 13:16:54 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2011 23:59:49 GMT -5
Just like CM said... nowhere did either of us say that Hardy needed to win, or look strong. It just makes Hardy look weak, that he couldn't put down a beaten and tired Anderson with THREE finishers. Yet Anderson laid Hardy out with ONE finisher.
- Triple S
|
|
|
Post by SodaGuy on Jan 10, 2011 0:00:58 GMT -5
It's all about what the audience wants to see. When Jeff is a face, people want to see him have an epic battle with Angle. When he's heel, they want to see the face make him look weak. It's a traditional battle of good vs. evil, and what society expects from such a confrontation. Not talking about kayfabe. Talking about how the match was put together. And how many wrestling fans do that? I'm not sitting there going "Man, that makes no sense psychology wise". I'm sitting there watching it from a fans perspective and that might be why I don't think Hardy looked weak. I watch as a fan, not as someone who looks who how to put a match together. I'm not a pro-wrestler or in the "business", maybe that's why I enjoy so much.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 13:16:54 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 0:01:21 GMT -5
OTE... I HAVE three green plywood circles, just for this occasion!
- Triple S
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 13:16:54 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 0:02:25 GMT -5
You could also make the argument that Anderson caught Hardy off-guard with the Mic Check. Where-as Anderson was prepared for all of Jeff's signatures. I don't think Hardy looked weak, I think Anderson looked strong. That's all that matters... people are supposed to want the face to overcome the odds and beat the heel. And it's funny cause I always read posts about how people don't know who is a face and who is a heel in TNA. Then when we finally get a good battle of good vs evil, we complain about the evil looking bad.
Groannnn, I have nothing left to contribute.
|
|
|
Post by Gore on Jan 10, 2011 0:02:40 GMT -5
Maybe Evan Karagias should've been a trending topic instead of Tyler Reks.
|
|
|
Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Jan 10, 2011 0:02:55 GMT -5
Lol, didn't TNA recently trademark "3 Count"?
|
|
|
Post by SodaGuy on Jan 10, 2011 0:03:01 GMT -5
Well, I'm done with this discussion. It's not going anywhere as none of us will change our viewpoint on it. Been a fun one!
The rest of the pay-per-view I enjoyed, thought it was a good way to start the year. Yeah, there were to many screwy finishes but it fit the shorelines. Madison and the loaded glove was great.
Matt Hardy can screw off.
|
|
|
Post by SodaGuy on Jan 10, 2011 0:03:40 GMT -5
Lol, didn't TNA recently trademark "3 Count"? It's for a diet supplement thing.
|
|
|
Post by jfinnomore on Jan 10, 2011 0:04:16 GMT -5
people kick out of finishers all the time in WWE. . . No, they don't... Wrestlemania is pretty much the only time somebody kicks out of a finisher in WWE. on the last Raw Miz kicked out of Starship Pain and Big Show kicked out of both The Future Shock and the ZigZag on SD so maybe you just don't watch WWE enough cause it certainly happens a lot.
|
|
WFK
Main Eventer
Leave The Memories Alone
Joined on: Oct 27, 2004 17:56:58 GMT -5
Posts: 4,632
|
Post by WFK on Jan 10, 2011 0:05:26 GMT -5
Not talking about kayfabe. Talking about how the match was put together. And how many wrestling fans do that? I'm not sitting there going "Man, that makes no sense psychology wise". I'm sitting there watching it from a fans perspective and that might be why I don't think Hardy looked weak. I watch as a fan, not as someone who looks who how to put a match together. I'm not a pro-wrestler or in the "business", maybe that's why I enjoy so much. I'm the same way SG. It's makes being a wrestling fan so much easier. Haha.
|
|
|
Post by SodaGuy on Jan 10, 2011 0:06:56 GMT -5
And how many wrestling fans do that? I'm not sitting there going "Man, that makes no sense psychology wise". I'm sitting there watching it from a fans perspective and that might be why I don't think Hardy looked weak. I watch as a fan, not as someone who looks who how to put a match together. I'm not a pro-wrestler or in the "business", maybe that's why I enjoy so much. I'm the same way SG. It's makes being a wrestling fan so much easier. Haha. Exactly, and maybe that is why I get so much flack around here regarding the stuff I enjoy in TNA. I watch it the same way I always have, in the eyes of a fan. Not someone who thinks they're in the "know" or in the "business".
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 13:16:54 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 0:07:31 GMT -5
No, they don't... Wrestlemania is pretty much the only time somebody kicks out of a finisher in WWE. on the last Raw Miz kicked out of Starship Pain so maybe you just don't watch WWE enough cause it certainly happens a lot. Touche. I'll give you that one, but you can hardly say that this happens alot. It's happened maybe twice in the past year, not counting Wrestlemania.
|
|
|
Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 10, 2011 0:08:05 GMT -5
Not talking about kayfabe. Talking about how the match was put together. And how many wrestling fans do that? I'm not sitting there going "Man, that makes no sense psychology wise". I'm sitting there watching it from a fans perspective and that might be why I don't think Hardy looked weak. I watch as a fan, not as someone who looks who how to put a match together. I'm not a pro-wrestler or in the "business", maybe that's why I enjoy so much. I'm sure Hardy fans are sitting there going...wow. Anderson kicked out of 3 finishers of Jeff's and Jeff couldnt even kick out of 1 Anderson finisher? WTF? You being an Anderson fan and trying to enjoy the match are looking for the positiveness only and there are positives. But there are negatives too. No, they don't... Wrestlemania is pretty much the only time somebody kicks out of a finisher in WWE. on the last Raw Miz kicked out of Starship Pain and Big Show kicked out of both The Future Shock and the ZigZag on SD so maybe you just don't watch WWE enough cause it certainly happens a lot. It does and we know it. I dont know why that guy would even say that.
|
|
|
Post by jfinnomore on Jan 10, 2011 0:08:42 GMT -5
on the last Raw Miz kicked out of Starship Pain so maybe you just don't watch WWE enough cause it certainly happens a lot. Touche. I'll give you that one, but you can hardly say that this happens alot. It's happened maybe twice in the past year, not counting Wrestlemania. it happened on SD too Big Show kicked out of Drew's and Dolph's finishers. It happens more often in title matches and PPV's rather then just basic Raw/SD matches.
|
|
|
Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Jan 10, 2011 0:09:29 GMT -5
Lol, didn't TNA recently trademark "3 Count"? It's for a diet supplement thing. Maybe Matt, Shane, and Shannon can do like a cross between 3 Count and Simon Dean. Oh hell, who am I kidding, who's going to believe Matts on a diet?! If its a powder, maybe Jeff can store his coke in there and not get caught this time.
|
|
|
Post by SodaGuy on Jan 10, 2011 0:14:31 GMT -5
And how many wrestling fans do that? I'm not sitting there going "Man, that makes no sense psychology wise". I'm sitting there watching it from a fans perspective and that might be why I don't think Hardy looked weak. I watch as a fan, not as someone who looks who how to put a match together. I'm not a pro-wrestler or in the "business", maybe that's why I enjoy so much. I'm sure Hardy fans are sitting there going...wow. Anderson kicked out of 3 finishers of Jeff's and Jeff couldnt even kick out of 1 Anderson finisher? WTF? You being an Anderson fan and trying to enjoy the match are looking for the positiveness only and there are positives. But there are negatives too. on the last Raw Miz kicked out of Starship Pain and Big Show kicked out of both The Future Shock and the ZigZag on SD so maybe you just don't watch WWE enough cause it certainly happens a lot. It does and we know it. I dont know why that guy would even say that.[/quote] I'm not just "looking at the positives", dude. I just don't sit there and watch a match to ponder about how it was put together. There's no reason to say I'm only looking at the "positives" as a Ken Anderson fan, I'm not. I'm looking at it as a wrestling fan who bought the pay-per-view because he wanted to see the show, not to watch matches and how they were put together.
|
|
|
Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 10, 2011 0:16:20 GMT -5
I'm sure Hardy fans are sitting there going...wow. Anderson kicked out of 3 finishers of Jeff's and Jeff couldnt even kick out of 1 Anderson finisher? WTF? You being an Anderson fan and trying to enjoy the match are looking for the positiveness only and there are positives. But there are negatives too. on the last Raw Miz kicked out of Starship Pain and Big Show kicked out of both The Future Shock and the ZigZag on SD so maybe you just don't watch WWE enough cause it certainly happens a lot. It does and we know it. I dont know why that guy would even say that. I'm not just "looking at the positives", dude. I just don't sit there and watch a match to ponder about how it was put together. There's no reason to say I'm only looking at the "positives" as a Ken Anderson fan, I'm not. I'm looking at it as a wrestling fan who bought the pay-per-view because he wanted to see the show, not to watch matches and how they were put together. [/quote] No, but a Hardy fan is sitting there scratching his head and wondering why Hardy couldnt kick out of a Mic. Check by a guy who was wrestling his 2nd consecutive match and is suffering from a concussion.
|
|
|
Post by SodaGuy on Jan 10, 2011 0:18:31 GMT -5
It does and we know it. I dont know why that guy would even say that. I'm not just "looking at the positives", dude. I just don't sit there and watch a match to ponder about how it was put together. There's no reason to say I'm only looking at the "positives" as a Ken Anderson fan, I'm not. I'm looking at it as a wrestling fan who bought the pay-per-view because he wanted to see the show, not to watch matches and how they were put together. No, but a Hardy fan is sitting there scratching his head and wondering why Hardy couldnt kick out of a Mic. Check by a guy who was wrestling his 2nd consecutive match and is suffering from a concussion.[/quote] Okay, I'm not going to get into this discussion anymore. It's useless.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Sept 27, 2024 13:16:54 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 0:20:13 GMT -5
Touche. I'll give you that one, but you can hardly say that this happens alot. It's happened maybe twice in the past year, not counting Wrestlemania. it happened on SD too Big Show kicked out of Drew's and Dolph's finishers. It happens more often in title matches and PPV's rather then just basic Raw/SD matches. No, it pretty much RARELY ever happens anymore. Not even on PPVs or in big title matches... Like I said, it happened maybe three times in the past year, not including Wrestlemania. I remember Wade Barrett doing it, and Miz but that's it.
|
|