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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 7:55:34 GMT -5
Many people I talk to say Tupac is/was the greatest rapper of all time because of the deep issues that he delved into, and while I do agree that he was fantastic, does it really get any deeper and darker than Immortal Technique? Perhaps the most political rapper I've ever heard, and darkest. I think, if serious topics are what makes a rapper great, Immortal Technique has to surpass Shakur. What do you folks think?
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Post by cjskittles4 on Feb 8, 2011 8:17:18 GMT -5
As far as lyrical skill, then yes...Immortal Technique surpasses Tupac. Actually, there were a lot of better lyricists than Tupac... it's just what and how Tupac said what he said.
Tupac, Eminem, Jay-Z, Nas, Andre 3000, BIG, etc. all fall into that "what and how" category. It's not only what you say but how you say it... Tupac was very emotional in his message, you could tell what kind of mood he was in by the way he spoke... his flow, his delivery...it all made you feel what Pac was saying or how he was feeling
IT is more or less, in the "what" category. I like Technique, but his flow, his delivery sucks ass tbh. He's so standard and dull and with all these different beats he never seems to change tempo. His emotion doesn't connect like Pacs, his words do though.
So basically, Technique is the better overall lyricist but Pac is the better overall package. So, Technique is not better than Pac imo
Seriously, listen to "You Never Know" and tell me that guy has any kind of flow lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 8:32:12 GMT -5
As far as lyrical skill, then yes...Immortal Technique surpasses Tupac. Actually, there were a lot of better lyricists than Tupac... it's just what and how Tupac said what he said. Tupac, Eminem, Jay-Z, Nas, Andre 3000, BIG, etc. all fall into that "what and how" category. It's not only what you say but how you say it... Tupac was very emotional in his message, you could tell what kind of mood he was in by the way he spoke... his flow, his delivery...it all made you feel what Pac was saying or how he was feeling IT is more or less, in the "what" category. I like Technique, but his flow, his delivery sucks ass tbh. He's so standard and dull and with all these different beats he never seems to change tempo. His emotion doesn't connect like Pacs, his words do though. So basically, Technique is the better overall lyricist but Pac is the better overall package. So, Technique is not better than Pac imo Seriously, listen to "You Never Know" and tell me that guy has any kind of flow lol That does make sense. Do you think Immortal Technique is the greatest lyricist in rap history? |
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Post by cjskittles4 on Feb 8, 2011 8:39:30 GMT -5
As far as lyrical skill, then yes...Immortal Technique surpasses Tupac. Actually, there were a lot of better lyricists than Tupac... it's just what and how Tupac said what he said. Tupac, Eminem, Jay-Z, Nas, Andre 3000, BIG, etc. all fall into that "what and how" category. It's not only what you say but how you say it... Tupac was very emotional in his message, you could tell what kind of mood he was in by the way he spoke... his flow, his delivery...it all made you feel what Pac was saying or how he was feeling IT is more or less, in the "what" category. I like Technique, but his flow, his delivery sucks ass tbh. He's so standard and dull and with all these different beats he never seems to change tempo. His emotion doesn't connect like Pacs, his words do though. So basically, Technique is the better overall lyricist but Pac is the better overall package. So, Technique is not better than Pac imo Seriously, listen to "You Never Know" and tell me that guy has any kind of flow lol That does make sense. Do you think Immortal Technique is the greatest lyricist in rap history? Nope These guys are imo Everybody has their own opinion but I think these guys are ahead of Technique when it comes to lyrical skill |
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Post by K5 on Feb 8, 2011 9:37:19 GMT -5
immortal technique is kind of like listening to an educated intellectual on ecstasy. he tackles so much at once and with the same attitude throughout it all.
tupac began a movement and very much had an overall goal or purpose to his music that was more than self righteously trying to educate the mass public about political deceivings etc.
don't get me wrong, i enjoyed immortal technique quite a bit initially, but i grew weary quickly.
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Post by King Clayton of the MidWest on Feb 8, 2011 9:54:42 GMT -5
Easily Tupac
Easily Big L
Easily Biggie
Easily Nas
Over Immortal Technique ANY GIVEN DAY.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Feb 8, 2011 13:16:33 GMT -5
Immortal Technique is like listening to an activist lecture you with some drum kicks underneath him. I won't deny that he's a better lyricist than Tupac, but in my opinion Tupac was a better rapper. Tupac would talk about some real socio-political issues, but his perspective was that of an average kid from the streets which made it easy for people to relate to him and what he was going through. Just because you're good with words and can rhyme them doesn't mean you are a great rapper.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 13:16:52 GMT -5
Are there any good political rappers aside from Immortal Technique?
Also, who do you guys prefer between Immortal Technique and Lupe Fiasco?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 13:19:32 GMT -5
Immortal Technique is like listening to an activist lecture you with some drum kicks underneath him. I won't deny that he's a better lyricist than Tupac, but in my opinion Tupac was a better rapper. Tupac would talk about some real socio-political issues, but his perspective was that of an average kid from the streets which made it easy for people to relate to him and what he was going through. Just because you're good with words and can rhyme them doesn't mean you are a great rapper. That does make sense too. Kind of like how folk music is called so because it is supposed to be the voice of the average person, the average "folk," the same carries over into rap. Shakur was intelligent and had a message but was not overtly political with it. |
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Post by cjskittles4 on Feb 8, 2011 13:21:10 GMT -5
Are there any good political rappers aside from Immortal Technique? Also, who do you guys prefer between Immortal Technique and Lupe Fiasco? Lupe easily |
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Post by Himmy! on Feb 8, 2011 13:43:12 GMT -5
Nas is the best lyricist ever IMO. I like Technique and what he's about but there's only so much you can take in one sitting, he gives you so much the hook lines are kinda hard to remember.
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Post by motleyspoisongun on Feb 8, 2011 16:50:01 GMT -5
2Pac
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Post by Happy Pizza on Feb 8, 2011 17:46:14 GMT -5
Are there any good political rappers aside from Immortal Technique? Also, who do you guys prefer between Immortal Technique and Lupe Fiasco? Lupe, easily. He has arguably the best wordplay of any mainstream rapper, but his songs are still fun to listen to. Making a serious song catchy and memorable is a difficult task. For example: I'd much rather listen to that than Immortal Technique ramble about global politics, which frankly don't directly affect my day to day affairs and thus I don't want to hear about when I listen to music, which I do for fun. |
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Post by AONI on Feb 8, 2011 22:09:21 GMT -5
Are there any good political rappers aside from Immortal Technique? Also, who do you guys prefer between Immortal Technique and Lupe Fiasco? Lupe, easily. He has arguably the best wordplay of any mainstream rapper, but his songs are still fun to listen to. Making a serious song catchy and memorable is a difficult task. For example: I'd much rather listen to that than Immortal Technique ramble about global politics, which frankly don't directly affect my day to day affairs and thus I don't want to hear about when I listen to music, which I do for fun. thats apples and oranges. the song you show is not even really hip-hop...more pop-hop, like the stuff B.o.B. and Kid Cudi are putting out now. and PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE... if youre looking for lyricism in HIP-HOP press play Jay Electronica is the best rapper right now...in MY OPINION. even though id bet a ton a money that hed eat Lupe/ Cudi/ Lil Wayne/ all of them in a battle |
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 8, 2011 22:30:37 GMT -5
Love Immortal Technique. The man is straight nasty.
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Post by The Immortal Antichrist on Feb 8, 2011 22:54:29 GMT -5
for me it would be Rakim then 2pac followed by Biggie,Eminem,Andre 3000,Jay Z,Nas,
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Post by BasedGod on Feb 8, 2011 22:56:29 GMT -5
If you guys like immortal technique, then you should check out this dude PRINCE EA. Same kind of political rapping style.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Feb 9, 2011 0:06:27 GMT -5
thats apples and oranges. the song you show is not even really hip-hop...more pop-hop, like the stuff B.o.B. and Kid Cudi are putting out now. and PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE... if youre looking for lyricism in HIP-HOP press play Jay Electronica is the best rapper right now...in MY OPINION. even though id bet a ton a money that hed eat Lupe/ Cudi/ Lil Wayne/ all of them in a battle I used that particular song just to show that Lupe can make catchy music, or more specifically music with more mass appeal. I wouldn't go so far as to call it pop, but it's definitely more mainstream. I agree on Jay Elec though, dude's got skills. While we're on the subject of lyrical rappers, ya'll still sleepin on Homeboy Sandman? |
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Post by AONI on Feb 9, 2011 2:06:35 GMT -5
I used that particular song just to show that Lupe can make catchy music, or more specifically music with more mass appeal. I wouldn't go so far as to call it pop, but it's definitely more mainstream. i guess im just stingy. Lupe, B.o.B., and CuDi...hell, even Wayne, they seem to put out alotta out-there, spacy type music that looks to fuse various genres in the interest of broadening their audience in order to fatten their pockets. you say hip-hop and De La comes to mind...Gang Starr, Nas, Tupac, Cube, Souls of Mischief and People Under the Stairs. you know, where the subject matter is gritty and hard in a sense, and in turn, the beat takes on that same kind of life. yes, they all have their party tracks as well but they still gave you that sense of hip-hop. i think im just stuck in the 90s though dont get me wrong though, i enjoy B.o.B. and CuDi. Dont Let Me Fall, although cheesy, is enjoyable. its just that i personally dont consider it hip-hop |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2011 1:32:05 GMT -5
Love Immortal Technique. The man is straight nasty. A Ron Paul Libertarian loves a socialist like IT?! LOL JK, I can appreciate good lyrics regardless of actual political views. Plus, Libertarians agree with liberals on some issues (anti-war, social issues, etc.). |
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