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Post by DMO™ on Feb 14, 2011 15:46:35 GMT -5
What the was the point of this.....They should have gave Hardy a longer reign a little bit passed AAO and then should have had Anderson win it and give him a long 5-6 month reign.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Feb 14, 2011 15:47:02 GMT -5
For those talking about his legal troubles, a deal has assumedly been worked out, so no jail time would be involved, so it apparently wouldn't be a problem anyways. Not saying I like Hardy as champion, but saying legal standing is a non-issue. ...He still was busted with a crap-load of drugs and still has legal issues regardless if he "goes to jail or not", he is being rewarded for bad behavior. TNA is telling the TNA locker room that they don't give a damn about hard work, go get busted with a felonies worth of drugs and then we'll push you. That's the lesson they're handing on. Hardy doesn't deserve the spot he has and he hasn't done anything for the company. I don't care how many times people want to say "HE IS DA TOP DRAW", obviously not because ratings, buyrates, and attendance numbers are the same. He has done nothing for the company. He is getting credit for something... he hasn't done. Hardy doesn't deserve the spot at all. Biggest exaggeration I've heard all day. They didn't "reward him" for doing drugs. Sheesh. And Anderson wasn't exactly raising ratings either. Doesn't matter who the champ is, that's not happening. Not to mention, its my guess they want to put the belt on AJ, and having the belt on Hardy makes sense, otherwise you'd have AJ going after Anderson and disregarding the new Immortal/Fortune feud. Storyline wise, it makes sense, whether you like him being champ or not.
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Post by SodaGuy on Feb 14, 2011 15:50:25 GMT -5
Anderson deserves a lengthy and credible run with the title. That being said....he shouldnt have won the title at Genesis anyway. There was no need for that. Have him go over Hardy at Lockdown, after an extensive feud. Jeff being given back the title with his looming legal issues? Clearly this shows, which was inevitable, that the legal issues arent much of anything that will not be resolved in a manner that allows Jeff to continue his full time duties for TNA. Ideas that Jeff shouldnt be rewarded for his "bad behavior" is ridiculous. TNA isnt worried about PR. They are worried about putting a product out that can generate money. Do you realize how many guys have been "rewarded for bad behavior"? Every HHH reign is just that. Jeff is the most over performer TNA has and generates the most dollars. Of course he should be World Champion. He shouldnt have lost it at Genesis. SG complains that Anderson looked weak. Fair and valid. Yet refuses to acknowledge that Jeff looked weak at Genesis. Not saying 2 wrongs make a right. - TNA needs to be worried about PR, they need to be very worried about that. TNA shouldn't have a world champion with legal problems regardless if there was some kind of deal made or not. The dude still had drugs on him including enough that had he been a non-celebrity, he would have been jailed months ago. TNA is pushing someone that has drug problems and that's pretty obvious. I can't wait until Hardy screws TNA over... again and no-shows a show. Just because it'll be well-deserved for TNA. - Jeff is not the most "over performer" TNA has. That is a joke! TNA are drawing the same number of fans in ratings, buyrates, and attendance they were before they blew money on Jeff Hardy. You can't sit here and say "Oh, he is the person who generates the most dollars" because that is beyond a joke. He has done nothing to deserve his spot nor his pay in the company. - Mr. Anderson looked way worse than Hardy did. Anderson didn't even get to have a freaking clean championship match! There was interference at "Genesis", he had Fortune's help to beat Hardy on iMPACT, and then only beat Morgan because of Hernandez. How does Hardy losing one match stand up to that? It doesn't. Hardy looked weak but Anderson was buried this past month. I think from now on, I'm just going to not even bother to post on this forum because I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. I get complained about being "pro-TNA" and "never calling TNA out on crap", then when I do people make it seem like I"m wrong. I also love how I was told last month that the only reason I didn't think Hardy looked weak was because I'm a fan of Mr. Anderson, some of you need to look in the mirror.
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Post by LtD73 on Feb 14, 2011 15:53:33 GMT -5
Anderson deserves a lengthy and credible run with the title. That being said....he shouldnt have won the title at Genesis anyway. There was no need for that. Have him go over Hardy at Lockdown, after an extensive feud. Jeff being given back the title with his looming legal issues? Clearly this shows, which was inevitable, that the legal issues arent much of anything that will not be resolved in a manner that allows Jeff to continue his full time duties for TNA. Ideas that Jeff shouldnt be rewarded for his "bad behavior" is ridiculous. TNA isnt worried about PR. They are worried about putting a product out that can generate money. Do you realize how many guys have been "rewarded for bad behavior"? Every HHH reign is just that. Jeff is the most over performer TNA has and generates the most dollars. Of course he should be World Champion. He shouldnt have lost it at Genesis. SG complains that Anderson looked weak. Fair and valid. Yet refuses to acknowledge that Jeff looked weak at Genesis. Not saying 2 wrongs make a right. - TNA needs to be worried about PR, they need to be very worried about that. TNA shouldn't have a world champion with legal problems regardless if there was some kind of deal made or not. The dude still had drugs on him including enough that had he been a non-celebrity, he would have been jailed months ago. TNA is pushing someone that has drug problems and that's pretty obvious. I can't wait until Hardy screws TNA over... again and no-shows a show. Just because it'll be well-deserved for TNA. - Jeff is not the most "over performer" TNA has. That is a joke! TNA are drawing the same number of fans in ratings, buyrates, and attendance they were before they blew money on Jeff Hardy. You can't sit here and say "Oh, he is the person who generates the most dollars" because that is beyond a joke. He has done nothing to deserve his spot nor his pay in the company. - Mr. Anderson looked way worse than Hardy did. Anderson didn't even get to have a freaking clean championship match! There was interference at "Genesis", he had Fortune's help to beat Hardy on iMPACT, and then only beat Morgan because of Hernandez. How does Hardy losing one match stand up to that? It doesn't. Hardy looked weak but Anderson was buried this past month. I think from now on, I'm just going to not even bother to post on this forum because I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. I get complained about being "pro-TNA" and "never calling TNA out on crap", then when I do people make it seem like I"m wrong. I also love how I was told last month that the only reason I didn't think Hardy looked weak was because I'm a fan of Mr. Anderson, some of you need to look in the mirror. Ok then Bye, nice knowing ya
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Post by SodaGuy on Feb 14, 2011 15:54:05 GMT -5
...He still was busted with a crap-load of drugs and still has legal issues regardless if he "goes to jail or not", he is being rewarded for bad behavior. TNA is telling the TNA locker room that they don't give a damn about hard work, go get busted with a felonies worth of drugs and then we'll push you. That's the lesson they're handing on. Hardy doesn't deserve the spot he has and he hasn't done anything for the company. I don't care how many times people want to say "HE IS DA TOP DRAW", obviously not because ratings, buyrates, and attendance numbers are the same. He has done nothing for the company. He is getting credit for something... he hasn't done. Hardy doesn't deserve the spot at all. Biggest exaggeration I've heard all day. They didn't "reward him" for doing drugs. Sheesh. And Anderson wasn't exactly raising ratings either. Doesn't matter who the champ is, that's not happening. Not to mention, its my guess they want to put the belt on AJ, and having the belt on Hardy makes sense, otherwise you'd have AJ going after Anderson and disregarding the new Immortal/Fortune feud. Storyline wise, it makes sense, whether you like him being champ or not. I didn't say he was being rewarded for doing drugs, read what I said again: Bad Behavior. You're the one who is exaggerating what I say. Again, this is the hypocritical ways of this forum: I praise TNA; "OH MY GOD! YOU ARE SUCH A MARK FOR TNA!" I bash TNA; "OH MY GOD! YOU ARE WRONG! IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE". No, killing the credibility of your world title... doesn't make perfect sense. VACANT Jeff hardy - 3 months Mr. Anderson - 1 Month Jeff Hardy - TBD Who would want to hold that belt over that? It's a hot potato now. Where's the complaints on tha? Oh, nevermind... Jeff Hardy is the champion and will save TNA. You can't compare Anderson and Hardy's ratings because Anderson wasn't even given a CHANCE. He wasn't even centered around on iMPACT like Hardy. He played second fiddle to Karen/Jeff Jarrett [which isn't really a problem] and was made to look like a joke in each defense. Hardy is NOT the biggest draw in TNA and hasn't done anything for the company to make him worth the money they're paying him. Hey, maybe he will learn how to swing a chair now and not try to end someone's career with a concussion.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Feb 14, 2011 16:51:19 GMT -5
For those talking about his legal troubles, a deal has assumedly been worked out, so no jail time would be involved, so it apparently wouldn't be a problem anyways. Not saying I like Hardy as champion, but saying legal standing is a non-issue. ...He still was busted with a crap-load of drugs and still has legal issues regardless if he "goes to jail or not", he is being rewarded for bad behavior. TNA is telling the TNA locker room that they don't give a damn about hard work, go get busted with a felonies worth of drugs and then we'll push you. That's the lesson they're handing on. Hardy doesn't deserve the spot he has and he hasn't done anything for the company. I don't care how many times people want to say "HE IS DA TOP DRAW", obviously not because ratings, buyrates, and attendance numbers are the same. He has done nothing for the company. He is getting credit for something... he hasn't done. Hardy doesn't deserve the spot at all. Thats ridiculous. TNA is saying, sell all this merch and we will push you. Thus why Anderson got to the spot he was at and why Jeff continues to reign supreme at the top. If you think ANYONE is more over or sells more merchandise than Jeff Hardy you are in denial. Even as a freaking heel, he is the most over babyface. Anderson deserves a lengthy and credible run with the title. That being said....he shouldnt have won the title at Genesis anyway. There was no need for that. Have him go over Hardy at Lockdown, after an extensive feud. Jeff being given back the title with his looming legal issues? Clearly this shows, which was inevitable, that the legal issues arent much of anything that will not be resolved in a manner that allows Jeff to continue his full time duties for TNA. Ideas that Jeff shouldnt be rewarded for his "bad behavior" is ridiculous. TNA isnt worried about PR. They are worried about putting a product out that can generate money. Do you realize how many guys have been "rewarded for bad behavior"? Every HHH reign is just that. Jeff is the most over performer TNA has and generates the most dollars. Of course he should be World Champion. He shouldnt have lost it at Genesis. SG complains that Anderson looked weak. Fair and valid. Yet refuses to acknowledge that Jeff looked weak at Genesis. Not saying 2 wrongs make a right. - TNA needs to be worried about PR, they need to be very worried about that. TNA shouldn't have a world champion with legal problems regardless if there was some kind of deal made or not. The dude still had drugs on him including enough that had he been a non-celebrity, he would have been jailed months ago. TNA is pushing someone that has drug problems and that's pretty obvious. I can't wait until Hardy screws TNA over... again and no-shows a show. Just because it'll be well-deserved for TNA. - Jeff is not the most "over performer" TNA has. That is a joke! TNA are drawing the same number of fans in ratings, buyrates, and attendance they were before they blew money on Jeff Hardy. You can't sit here and say "Oh, he is the person who generates the most dollars" because that is beyond a joke. He has done nothing to deserve his spot nor his pay in the company. - Mr. Anderson looked way worse than Hardy did. Anderson didn't even get to have a freaking clean championship match! There was interference at "Genesis", he had Fortune's help to beat Hardy on iMPACT, and then only beat Morgan because of Hernandez. How does Hardy losing one match stand up to that? It doesn't. Hardy looked weak but Anderson was buried this past month. I think from now on, I'm just going to not even bother to post on this forum because I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. I get complained about being "pro-TNA" and "never calling TNA out on crap", then when I do people make it seem like I"m wrong. I also love how I was told last month that the only reason I didn't think Hardy looked weak was because I'm a fan of Mr. Anderson, some of you need to look in the mirror. TNA needs to be worried about PR? If that was true, that would have instigated a drug policy. They havent. They arent and really should not be at this point in time. Fair or unfair, when a wrestling death occurs b/c of drugs people say WWE Star or former WWE star, even if its a current or more recently a TNA star. Its how it is. Your second comment is beyond intellectually- disabled. Yeah.....I guess Jeff gets pushed b/c he is the model employee or maybe he is sleeping with Dixie or maybe Hulk is a Hardy Mark. Your favorite gets dethroned so all of a sudden its full on hate on Jeff Hardy. I'm not gonna debate who looked weaker, Hardy or Anderson? Mainly b/c you have made several strong points and for all accounts are probably right. However, its not the issue. You refuse to admit that Jeff looked weak at all. Your inner Anderson mark wont allow you to. You calling foul on TNA this time has nothing to do with you calling it like it is and has everything to do with you being an Anderson Mark. The only reason you are raising a stink is b/c its Anderson. Oh and do you have issue with RVD being champion? Or would that just be another druggie being rewarded for his bad behavior? Anderson might be clean now.....but he wasnt always. See steroid scandal several years back.
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Post by LtD73 on Feb 14, 2011 16:57:12 GMT -5
I havent seen the ladder match yet so i dont know how buried anderson was, but jeff did get buried at genesis, the guy got beat in his ing boxers
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Post by SodaGuy on Feb 14, 2011 17:02:29 GMT -5
...He still was busted with a crap-load of drugs and still has legal issues regardless if he "goes to jail or not", he is being rewarded for bad behavior. TNA is telling the TNA locker room that they don't give a damn about hard work, go get busted with a felonies worth of drugs and then we'll push you. That's the lesson they're handing on. Hardy doesn't deserve the spot he has and he hasn't done anything for the company. I don't care how many times people want to say "HE IS DA TOP DRAW", obviously not because ratings, buyrates, and attendance numbers are the same. He has done nothing for the company. He is getting credit for something... he hasn't done. Hardy doesn't deserve the spot at all. Thats ridiculous. TNA is saying, sell all this merch and we will push you. Thus why Anderson got to the spot he was at and why Jeff continues to reign supreme at the top. If you think ANYONE is more over or sells more merchandise than Jeff Hardy you are in denial. Even as a freaking heel, he is the most over babyface. - TNA needs to be worried about PR, they need to be very worried about that. TNA shouldn't have a world champion with legal problems regardless if there was some kind of deal made or not. The dude still had drugs on him including enough that had he been a non-celebrity, he would have been jailed months ago. TNA is pushing someone that has drug problems and that's pretty obvious. I can't wait until Hardy screws TNA over... again and no-shows a show. Just because it'll be well-deserved for TNA. - Jeff is not the most "over performer" TNA has. That is a joke! TNA are drawing the same number of fans in ratings, buyrates, and attendance they were before they blew money on Jeff Hardy. You can't sit here and say "Oh, he is the person who generates the most dollars" because that is beyond a joke. He has done nothing to deserve his spot nor his pay in the company. - Mr. Anderson looked way worse than Hardy did. Anderson didn't even get to have a freaking clean championship match! There was interference at "Genesis", he had Fortune's help to beat Hardy on iMPACT, and then only beat Morgan because of Hernandez. How does Hardy losing one match stand up to that? It doesn't. Hardy looked weak but Anderson was buried this past month. I think from now on, I'm just going to not even bother to post on this forum because I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. I get complained about being "pro-TNA" and "never calling TNA out on crap", then when I do people make it seem like I"m wrong. I also love how I was told last month that the only reason I didn't think Hardy looked weak was because I'm a fan of Mr. Anderson, some of you need to look in the mirror. TNA needs to be worried about PR? If that was true, that would have instigated a drug policy. They havent. They arent and really should not be at this point in time. Fair or unfair, when a wrestling death occurs b/c of drugs people say WWE Star or former WWE star, even if its a current or more recently a TNA star. Its how it is. Your second comment is beyond intellectually- disabled. Yeah.....I guess Jeff gets pushed b/c he is the model employee or maybe he is sleeping with Dixie or maybe Hulk is a Hardy Mark. Your favorite gets dethroned so all of a sudden its full on hate on Jeff Hardy. I'm not gonna debate who looked weaker, Hardy or Anderson? Mainly b/c you have made several strong points and for all accounts are probably right. However, its not the issue. You refuse to admit that Jeff looked weak at all. Your inner Anderson mark wont allow you to. You calling foul on TNA this time has nothing to do with you calling it like it is and has everything to do with you being an Anderson Mark. The only reason you are raising a stink is b/c its Anderson.Oh and do you have issue with RVD being champion? Or would that just be another druggie being rewarded for his bad behavior? Anderson might be clean now.....but he wasnt always. See steroid scandal several years back.[/quote] Are you kidding me? That is the total definition of the pot calling the kettle black. You are honestly sitting there say that to me? Come on, give me a break. It has zero to do with the fact that I'm a fan of Mr. Anderson. I'm calling it because it's freaking stupid! I'm calling it like it is because it's stupid to destroy the credibility of your already weak championship by having another title change. I said in an earlier post that Hardy did look weak, but Anderson looked weaker in the end [worse off in the end] because Hardy now looks strong while Anderson looks like a fluke champion and a chump. You must have missed that part, it's okay. The fact you are sitting here saying I am bashing this because it involves Anderson is a joke, you're the same person that a few weeks back was saying that the charges against Hardy was "bullcrap" all out of your Hardy fandomship. Mr. Pot really needs to learn how to stop calling the Kettle black. EDIT: You can't even compare Van Dam smoking pot or Anderson's doctors buying illegal steroids to Hardy fighting a legal battle over drugs he had on him... including a felony charge if he wasn't a celebrity.
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Post by the hell demon on Feb 14, 2011 17:10:45 GMT -5
Super excited for him. I hope he gets a long reign this time. You really need to watch the match already, MOTY contender.
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Post by LtD73 on Feb 14, 2011 17:11:16 GMT -5
Im starting to regret making this thread now ugh. SG, just grow the up ok, one of your favourite wrestlers lost, big ing deal, it's not affecting your life. Not many other people bitch and complain and get into arguments when their favourites lose but youre always near the topof the list. God help us when Madison loses her belt to Mickie, you just start bashing Mickie because she won the belt from your favourite then proclaim that madison gets buried
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Post by LtD73 on Feb 14, 2011 17:13:02 GMT -5
Super excited for him. I hope he gets a long reign this time. You really need to watch the match already, MOTY contender. I still haven't seen impact yet but impact and the ppv air here tomorrow and wednesday so
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Post by SodaGuy on Feb 14, 2011 17:17:10 GMT -5
Im starting to regret making this thread now ugh. SG, just grow the up ok, one of your favourite wrestlers lost, big ing deal, it's not affecting your life. Not many other people bitch and complain and get into arguments when their favourites lose but youre always near the topof the list. God help us when Madison loses her belt to Mickie, you just start bashing Mickie because she won the belt from your favourite then proclaim that madison gets buried It has nothing to do with Anderson being my favorite, I would be making the same argument had the roles been reversed. I'm a fan of Rob Van Dam too but was bashing Styles dropping the belt to him back last year, did you just decide to ignore that little fact? I don't care if my favorite is or isn't champion, is it cool? Yes. But, there was zero need for Hardy to win back the championship because the storyline could have been just as a good with Immortal not having the belt. If you didn't want my opinion the matter, then you shouldn't have made a thread asking for others opinions. Again, nothing to do with my favorite losing the belt or not, more so the fact that a talent that had many miles ahead of him as World Champion looks like chump. He never had a clean title match and then loses the belt a month later. Jeff Hardy looked stronger as a champion than Anderson was given the chance too which is why they should had held the title switch until Victory Road, to give Anderson a more credible run. It's not about my "favorite" losing the belt nor Hardy even winning it. Plus, Anderson isn't even my top favorite in wrestling, AJ Styles is followed by Jeff Jarrett followed by Ken Anderson. So, yeah... has nothing to do with Anderson being one of my favorites.
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Post by SodaGuy on Feb 14, 2011 17:18:11 GMT -5
Super excited for him. I hope he gets a long reign this time. You really need to watch the match already, MOTY contender. Agree, besides the blown spot at the end with them both falling off the top, I agree. TNA already has two MOTYCs with Anderson/Hardy and Jarrett/Angle.
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Post by LtD73 on Feb 14, 2011 17:20:41 GMT -5
Fair enough, next time i make a thread ill ask for everyones opinion except yours, if youre gonna argue about it
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Post by Joey Cush on Feb 14, 2011 18:29:28 GMT -5
Wooo Hardy! Suck it bitches.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Feb 14, 2011 18:59:16 GMT -5
I'm happy to see Hardy with the title. Thing is I am in agreeance with those that think he should not have dropped the belt to Anderson in the first place. I mean I think that they should have let Anderson get the title around Lockdown.
Yes, I understand his win at Genesis was shock value but I think they should have just left it like it was and let Anderson gain the title at a bigger event.
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Post by jfinnomore on Feb 14, 2011 23:50:06 GMT -5
Hardy is the suck, Hardy's belt is the suck, finally they are back together to bore me again. ah TNA has nothing worth me tuning into since they refuse to give Daffney air time. yep the world seems right again.
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