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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 7, 2011 4:06:00 GMT -5
GSP will have cleaned out his division when he beats Shields. He will be a champion and deserves to get the Middleweight title shot, because (like GSP) there are no challenges for Anderson. It works out for both guys.
Why would Silva be the favorite? He looked awful against the wrestler Chael Sonnen, and GSP is the best wrestler in MMA. I would say it would be pretty even as far as odds go.
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Post by SteveHulk on Mar 7, 2011 4:36:35 GMT -5
GSP will have cleaned out his division when he beats Shields. He will be a champion and deserves to get the Middleweight title shot, because (like GSP) there are no challenges for Anderson. It works out for both guys. Well ideally, Silva still has the Sonnen rematch... there are still questions there. And that would give GSP a time to have a fight at MW too. Oh I'm not writing GSP off - but he is smaller and not as powerful as Sonnen (...plus Silva wouldn't go into the fight with a rib injury...  ). |
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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 7, 2011 5:10:19 GMT -5
"not as powerful"
Hmmmmmm.
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Post by Sandy on Mar 7, 2011 16:39:46 GMT -5
oi vey...
does Anderson really have to do the rematch with Chael to say that he cleaned out his division....
...once Anderson faces Okami (and if Anderson wins) I think it is only right to say he cleaned out his division.
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Post by SteveHulk on Mar 7, 2011 18:18:46 GMT -5
does Anderson really have to do the rematch with Chael to say that he cleaned out his division.... He doesn't have to - but it would be cool if it happened. Do you not think a Silva/Sonnen rematch is warranted?  |
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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 7, 2011 18:25:14 GMT -5
No, because Chael was on roids.
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Post by SteveHulk on Mar 7, 2011 19:23:55 GMT -5
No, because Chael was on roids. Well, he says it was all prescribed etc. But whatever, a rematch would be really interesting (the best fight in the MW division, IMO). I'd love to see if he could do as well and how Silva would handle him the second time around... |
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Post by Sandy on Mar 8, 2011 1:22:57 GMT -5
I think it would be an amazing rematch no doubt but I think Okami is Andersons last challenge at MW.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Mar 8, 2011 3:32:49 GMT -5
oi vey... does Anderson really have to do the rematch with Chael to say that he cleaned out his division.... ...once Anderson faces Okami (and if Anderson wins) I think it is only right to say he cleaned out his division.Has Anderson beaten Bisping or Wanderlei? No, so he hasn't "cleaned out his division". Besides, there's been reports that Anderson wants to fight Bisping. |
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Post by Sandy on Mar 8, 2011 3:38:35 GMT -5
lol....
how did I know a post from you would have SOMETHING to do with Bisping. It is real cute that you think Bisping can hang with an elite fighter but how about he actually beats someone with a name before feeding him to Anderson Silva...
let Bisping fight (and beat decisively) Marquardt, Sonnen, or Belfort....then we will talk.
...and as much as I love Wanderlei his style is perfectly suited for Anderson.
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Post by Kliquid on Mar 8, 2011 3:45:30 GMT -5
Has Anderson beaten Bisping or Wanderlei? No, so he hasn't "cleaned out his division". Besides, there's been reports that Anderson wants to fight Bisping. Neither Wanderlei or Bisping deserve a title shot, so no, he hasn't beat them.  |
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Post by SteveHulk on Mar 8, 2011 3:47:25 GMT -5
Has Anderson beaten Bisping or Wanderlei? No, so he hasn't "cleaned out his division". Besides, there's been reports that Anderson wants to fight Bisping. Heck, everyone wants to fight Bisping... it sends out a great message to other contenders: "spit at your opponent's corner, and you too can be the most sought after fighter in your division...".  FWIW, I think Silva easily beats Bisping, Okami, W.Silva, and Brian Stann. There's only really question marks around Sonnen and (obviously) GSP - although I'd prefer a Silva Vs Jones Super-fight at LightHW, once Jones beats Shogun. |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Mar 8, 2011 5:06:02 GMT -5
Has Anderson beaten Bisping or Wanderlei? No, so he hasn't "cleaned out his division". Besides, there's been reports that Anderson wants to fight Bisping. FWIW, I think Silva easily beats Bisping, Okami, W.Silva, and Brian Stann. There's only really question marks around Sonnen and (obviously) GSP - although I'd prefer a Silva Vs Jones Super-fight at LightHW, once Jones beats Shogun. The reports came out before UFC 127. I also forgot about Stann... Silva will need to beat him too, before people say he's cleaned out the division. Has Anderson beaten Bisping or Wanderlei? No, so he hasn't "cleaned out his division". Besides, there's been reports that Anderson wants to fight Bisping. Neither Wanderlei or Bisping deserve a title shot, so no, he hasn't beat them. Did Sonnen really deserve a title shot? Did Belfort? I don't see the harm in giving Bisping a title shot, because he'll either pull off the shock win, or he will get beaten easily. In all likelihood, it will be the latter and it will be the only title shot he's ever likely to get, and Silva wants the fight, so why not just make the match and get it out the way? |
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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 8, 2011 5:18:05 GMT -5
None of those fighters are exciting match-ups.
By that account, GSP has to beat Sanchez, Condit, and Kampmann before he's "cleaned out the division". There is a huge gap between the rest of the top Middleweights and Anderson. There is also a huge gap between the top Welterweights and GSP. It's been proven time and time again.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Mar 8, 2011 5:25:06 GMT -5
None of those fighters are exciting match-ups. By that account, GSP has to beat Sanchez, Condit, and Kampmann before he's "cleaned out the division". There is a huge gap between the rest of the top Middleweights and Anderson. There is also a huge gap between the top Welterweights and GSP. It's been proven time and time again. Yes, he does. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Mar 8, 2011 6:06:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2011 7:46:58 GMT -5
GSP will beat Shields. He then wants to put on the lean muscle. Had Bisping not behaved in such a reprehensible manner the other night, he would be fighting Silva for the title. I believe that, they can't have both these guys sitting on the shelf for too long. If you give Silva to Sonnen or Okami a strong powerful wrestler who has seen his weakness... there's a chance the superfight becomes less marketable. Silva would be going into it on a loss.
I wanted Silva vs Bisping in the summer in the UK to give Europe a decent card for once , or a decent headliner . This would give GSP ample time to bulk up and would keep both Silva fit and his record intact.
Bisping doesn't deserve it, but i don't think that would matter to such an ego driven persona.
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Post by Kliquid on Mar 8, 2011 11:35:48 GMT -5
Did Sonnen really deserve a title shot? Did Belfort? I don't see the harm in giving Bisping a title shot, because he'll either pull off the shock win, or he will get beaten easily. In all likelihood, it will be the latter and it will be the only title shot he's ever likely to get, and Silva wants the fight, so why not just make the match and get it out the way? Chael Sonnen actually has wins over top competition (Nate Marquardt, Yushin Okami, Paulo Filho. Yes, he deserved a shot way more than Bisping or Wanderlei. Vitor Belfort was on a five fight win streak and had beat Matt Lindland and Rich Franklin in back-to-back fights. Yes, he deserved a shot way more than Bisping or Wanderlei. Who has Michael Bisping beat? Who has WANDERLEI beat, besides Bisping (who's not in title contention) since like 2006? Keith Jardine? Wanderlei is 2-5 in his last seven fights. Giving him a title shot would be SOLELY based on name value. He's not deserving at all. |
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Post by sean™ on Mar 8, 2011 11:48:41 GMT -5
But Chael lost. Why should he get another shot, after losing to the champ in a definitive manner and hasn't done anything since then besides get suspended?
In the course of 4 rounds, Chael took Silva down several times, had the mount at one point and almost had back mount. He was constantly punching and putting on the pressure. And at the very end, he got caught in not only the number 1 submission that a wrestler should look out for beyond the guillotine, but also a submission that he's tapped to before.
So why even bother with a rematch? That clearly says to me "Chael did everything he could to win the fight, couldn't pull the trigger to actually end it, and in the end tapped to a submission." There's no draw or judges call. Chael tapped. He quit. He said "I can't take it anymore."
Back of the line.
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Post by Kliquid on Mar 8, 2011 12:07:44 GMT -5
He didn't lose in a definitive manner. In fact, he completely dominated the first 20 minutes of the fight. Yes, he was submitted. Yes, he gave up. But he was BY FAR the closest person to beat Silva and fans have it in their mind that he might actually beat Silva in the rematch, which is what the UFC needs to sell. Putting Anderson Silva against Michael Bisping is a  ing joke. The only chance in hell that has of happening is if the UFC is trying to promote another U.K. card. There's no way he gets a shot in America unless he starts actually beating fighters that are in the top ten. If the rumors of Bisping/Belfort are true, that would be a good chance for Bisping to prove that he's worthy of a top ten spot. As of right now, though, he's borderline at best. |
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