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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Mar 18, 2011 16:00:19 GMT -5
What's next? WWE is going to partner with a "no violence" organization? If WWE was a company promoting homosexual and lesbian characters, that joke would make sense. You act like you can't believe a WWE program in 2011 stopping the gay jokes/insults is something going against what the company is all about. Good move by WWE. I thought some of the jokes were funny (Well, the Brokeback one, kinda'), but no matter the intent, especially on a TV-PG show, you can't use gay remarks as an insult to someone, even more-so when you don't have a character fighting that or saying using homosexuality as an insult is wrong, but instead have all of your Announcers cackle with laughter.
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Post by DMO™ on Mar 18, 2011 16:42:34 GMT -5
Cena isn't anti-gay, he's just wanting whoever he's feuding with to suck his dick. "Nothing gay bout getting your d*ck sucked"
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Post by No Brokeback on Mar 18, 2011 16:52:36 GMT -5
People are really pissed about the gay jokes? Really? ... Really? I also like how the article is saying the RAW is a kids show. It may be aimed towards kids, but it's not a ing kids show. If it was a ing kids show there'd be tickle fights etc. Dude..Raw IS a kid's show, it's not that hard to see...ya know, Power Rangers was a kids show as well, and it probably had better storylines then Raw's had in awhile.
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Post by Guy Incognito on Mar 18, 2011 17:15:44 GMT -5
Hopefully Cena become BULLY JOHN! They essentially wear the same thing and have the same in ring ability so WHY THE HELL NOT? Mate, I wouldn't even dare say that they have the same ability. Bully Ray is obviously better. He has talent.
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Post by King Silva on Mar 18, 2011 17:48:18 GMT -5
I thought the brokeback one was pretty funny but okay someone got mad..
So now they have to please them which isn't a really bad thing I just didn't feel it was that big of an issue.
I swear they just did an anti-bullying storyline with Morrison saving Santino from Sheamus a month ago..?
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Post by Robert69 on Mar 18, 2011 18:48:01 GMT -5
People are too damn touchy. Smart business move by the 'E though.
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Post by scoobypat on Mar 18, 2011 20:31:26 GMT -5
It's not touchy it's smart, of course wrestling fans are probably the last to get on board with stuff like this but when you have role models using it as insults it perpetuates the issue. Kids repeat what they think is cool, these wrestlers do have a responsibility so to speak.
Not to go off on a tangent but the treatment of gays these days is horrendous, I can't think of another group of people in which it's cultural acceptable to mock. If Cena had been like "Well at least I'm not mixed race" then this board would be on a full out war path, so why is it acceptable to belittle another group of people?
Business wise its simply stupid to allow this practice to continue, while the fans may think it's PC when you do things like this you allow yourself to appeal to a broader audience.
I've enjoyed wrestling for a good portion of my life and I have been to tons and tons of live events and sometimes I just have to sigh because there are fans who do embody the stereotypical wrestling fan. What I mean is I just shake my head when I see beer swelling, loud mouthed swearing, ignorant fans. I shutter when I hear fans swearing a live events with kids all around. Whether smarks want to admit it or not wrestling's first audience is in fact kids. Ask anyone on this board when they started watching and 99% of the time they'll say in their child hood, get a kid as a fan and they will stick around for a while. So with that in mind I get a chuckle out of people saying it's not meant for kids, because this is a forum dedicated to the business of wrestling toys.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Mar 18, 2011 20:43:16 GMT -5
Lame. Cena actually became loose and entertaining... and its ripped away. John Cena has been a squeaky clean Company Robot for at least 3 years since WWE went PG, he gets to be himself again and suddenly its time to put the hammer down? This whole thing is gonna be just a faint memory anyway in 3 weeks. I get it, "promote equality, blah blah blah"... So they dont want emotional bullying happening, but then they have a match and men and women beat the hell out of each other until one temporarily incompacitated. Simply put, a mountain is being made out of a mole. Emotional Bullying = BAD! Physical Bullying = GOOD!
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Post by scoobypat on Mar 18, 2011 21:27:10 GMT -5
Emotional Bullying = BAD! Physical Bullying = GOOD! I don't really see it this way. For the most part WWE is presented as a sport, it's violent but all competitors voluntarily engage in said violence. When WWE does use violence outside of the ring the heel is always the one committing the unprovoked violence, the face never engages in bullying. Hell even in the attitude era where faces so typically engaged in heel behavior you rarely got a face attacking a smaller, weaker, or unprotected wrestler with out prior provocation. WWE is violent but it has it's own sense of morality to it which is why it's somewhat enjoyable to watch. We enjoy seeing things tied up nicely how we wish they would in real life. The bad guys usually gets what's coming to them and the good guys don't do bad things. It's pretty black and white even when it's pretending it's not say like ECW used to do.
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Post by Squirrel Lips on Mar 18, 2011 21:39:53 GMT -5
Lame. Cena actually became loose and entertaining... and its ripped away. John Cena has been a squeaky clean Company Robot for at least 3 years since WWE went PG, he gets to be himself again and suddenly its time to put the hammer down? This whole thing is gonna be just a faint memory anyway in 3 weeks. I get it, "promote equality, blah blah blah"... So they dont want emotional bullying happening, but then they have a match and men and women beat the hell out of each other until one temporarily incompacitated. Simply put, a mountain is being made out of a mole. Emotional Bullying = BAD! Physical Bullying = GOOD! I agree. How can WWE launch an "Anti Bullying Message" when the whole show is basically people beating up each other, back-stage attacks, 4,5, or 6 on one or 2 (Nexus), etc. You can't have one without the other. Physical or Emotional bullying are both real and should be taken seriously, but the gay jokes used by Cena weren't going too far. I have friends that are of different color, gay, different religions, fat, skinny, etc, who all (for the most part) joke with each other about almost any subject to an extent with out getting upset with each other. I am a huge wrestling fan in general, but I really get a kick out of them having these anti bullying campaigns, to me, it's kind of weird. It's like fast food joints having weight loss campaigns. Take a company for what it is, I hate when they try to be something they are not.
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Post by bubbalhunt on Mar 18, 2011 22:51:55 GMT -5
I am iffy on the Cena topic. Cena is just not funny gay jokes or not. But this isn't the only time he used these jokes. Remember back durring the Wade Barrett and Nexus feud when he used these "jokes" on Justin Gabriel. It is just painful to hear anything come out of Cena's mouth post Word Life days. I back up what WWE are doing with the anti-bully thing. Yeah, it may seem a bit picking in Cena's case, but everyone will have their opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2011 22:56:33 GMT -5
I think this is bullpoop WWE shouldn't have to kiss their ass because of what cena said. Jokes are made all of time and they don't bother anyone until overly sensitive people make a big deal out of them.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Mar 18, 2011 23:35:08 GMT -5
It's not so much just the jokes themselves, even though they obviously are what started this, but the context they're used within. You have John Cena, the role-model to kids and leader of the TV-PG stance going out on National Television in front of probably 20-million people worldwide telling you "Hey, I'm calling you gay, aren't you offended and upset I would suggest you're such such an evil thing?" every week. If you're the show who promotes your not for families and your an 'Everything goes' type of show, like South Park, you know what to expect and know if it's something to ignore, fight or laugh at, but a show aimed at kids shouldn't be highlighted by John Cena, the uber-face, using homosexuality and lesbianism as derogatory subjects to insult someone with who has never once said anything negative about gays, at least anything that was notable, from what I can remember.
If you want to use Sheamus' heel character being beaten up by Morrison's face character for attacking Santino after Matches as a way to say "Bullying is bad", okay, that's logical, but don't have a face, let alone your top face using sexual orientations as insults to someone who never delves into that subject and is a heel. Wrestling is entertainment, they make that clear, but promos, while still entertainment, are things people in the real World will imitate more than a Piledriver. If you're a super-John Cena fan who heard him use gay jokes, even if your parents told you not to listen to that and never repeat it, if you dislike someone so much, like Rock and Cena portray they do, odds are they're going to at least try and make a gay joke, which, in the end, are jokes that shouldn't be used as insults, but if they are, make them teach a lesson or use them in private and admit it's a "guilty pleasure", so to speak.
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Post by jfinnomore on Mar 19, 2011 10:32:46 GMT -5
WWE doesn't make WWE suck... Overly sensitive parents and overly sensitive people make WWE suck. Parents complain, WWE is backed into a corner by the media (WWE can hardly say "We're going to do NOTHING to achknowledge your complaints ") . It's forced to change to a more family friendly product. Now the gays are complaining because John Cena is promoting gay hatred, which is going to happen anyway, regardless of whether John Cena makes gay jokes or not. I'm gay, myself, and I didn't take offence. Flamboyant, camp homosexuals do more damage for the acceptence homosexuality in society than John Cena saying The Rock is gay. QFT, perfectly put. W
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