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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 18, 2011 12:21:40 GMT -5
Alright, so everyone knows how strongly I feel about my spirituality and God.
I've been working for the same place for about 3 1/2 years now. Upon hiring me, I stated that under no circumstances could I work on Sundays. I'll do any other day, almost any time of the day. Just not ever on Sunday, because I go to Church for morning and evening service. It's a VERY important part of my week and my life.
So just recently, following a promotion that I'd gotten back in October, they've been pressuring me to work Sundays. Saying thigs like we've done the best would could to accommodate Sundays but we HAVE to schedule you for this Sunday.
Now from what I've witnessed, people compromise on a day that they previously stated could not work, it never ends. There was a guy in same position who did not do Sundays for the same purpose. He gave them ONE Sunday, and they continued to schedule him from then on without even asking.
I'm not gonna be that guy. Sundays are very important to me. I'm just afraid that they'll attempt to hang termination over my head as a possibility if I don't come it. But I think that they're in the wrong. I feel like they're refusing to respect my religion. I was working with a guy who wouldn't shave his beard because he's Musilm, even though policy states that all men are to be clean shaven. So they allowed it because it was for religious purposes. How is me going to Church on Sundays any different in principal?
I know not many of you are religious, and think that believing in God is downright foolish. But this isn't a thread about wheather one believes or not. I think that believing what someone else does, and respecting it are two completely different things.
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Post by slappy on Mar 18, 2011 12:24:04 GMT -5
If they do anything because you won't work Sundays, that is religious discrimination.
You should not have to work Sundays.
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Post by Lewscher on Mar 18, 2011 12:25:21 GMT -5
They should NOT pressure you for work, i believe they have to accomodate for your religious beliefs and such, and it's unethical or whatever to try and compromise you  |
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Post by T R W on Mar 18, 2011 12:30:46 GMT -5
It's a tricky situation, but you are correct. If you do it once, it will give them cause to do it again. Also, if this does end up in court, the fact that you did compromise once or twice could end up hurting your credibility. They hired you knowing this about your availability. So it seems foolish to give in, unless you are willing to give in permanently for job security.
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Post by Keyboard Cat on Mar 18, 2011 12:30:48 GMT -5
For a second I read the title as "I'm a blind"  Anyways, best advice I can currently give is to talk to your boss and maybe work something out. Is there any way you can work and go to church/service? |
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Mar 18, 2011 12:34:54 GMT -5
Best thing to do is not give in. If they want you to work Sundays after church service, that may be one thing, but miss church when that's not what you want or need, then absolutely not.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 18, 2011 12:35:36 GMT -5
For a second I read the title as "I'm a blind" Anyways, best advice I can currently give is to talk to your boss and maybe work something out. Is there any way you can work and go to church/service? Not really. I go to morning worship from 10:30 to about Noon. We get together with the family for the mid day, and go back for evening service from 6pm to 7pm. I work an hour away from work. But even when I was working for the location that was five minutes away from house, I still wouldn't work it. It's not about Sunday being a day of rest for Christians. I've never, nor will I ever bring that up. It's about me taking that day to worship and fellowship with my family. |
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Post by Revvie® on Mar 18, 2011 12:40:34 GMT -5
Honestly, like Slappy said, the really have no grounds...now they can make it rough on you but if you stick to it then they will just let it go after awhile.
I would stick to what you had said. You told them and gave religious reasoning...keep to it.
(now if you had signed a paper stating you could work any and all hours and this was agreed upon separately with no paper work, well that thats different.)
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Post by AdamBomb on Mar 18, 2011 12:40:57 GMT -5
Stick to your guns.
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Post by Keyboard Cat on Mar 18, 2011 12:47:45 GMT -5
For a second I read the title as "I'm a blind" Anyways, best advice I can currently give is to talk to your boss and maybe work something out. Is there any way you can work and go to church/service? Not really. I go to morning worship from 10:30 to about Noon. We get together with the family for the mid day, and go back for evening service from 6pm to 7pm. I work an hour away from work. But even when I was working for the location that was five minutes away from house, I still wouldn't work it. It's not about Sunday being a day of rest for Christians. I've never, nor will I ever bring that up. It's about me taking that day to worship and fellowship with my family. Well then from the sounds of it you really don't have much of a choice. Seem's like the best thing to do is refuse until you can discuses the issue of it, and see where it goes from there. |
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Post by cjskittles4 on Mar 18, 2011 12:49:23 GMT -5
If they do anything because you won't work Sundays, that is religious discrimination. You should not have to work Sundays. basically this |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Mar 18, 2011 12:53:51 GMT -5
Depends on what state you're in. In some states they can fire you for anything other than the religion, race, gender, etc..... stuff. So if you say you won't work Sundays, they can turn around and fire you because your eyes are blue. Or because they aren't blue. Or whatever. You can sue them and claim they fired you because of religious reasons, but they'll just say that it was because you wore blue socks and they like black socks. Then you're screwed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2011 12:58:28 GMT -5
I'm not trying to sound rude or anything, but is it really necessary to go to church twice in one day?
Still, if you wish to take a day off for religious purposes, then the company should fulfil your wishes. They can't force you to work on a day of worship.
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Post by BØRNS on Mar 18, 2011 13:06:47 GMT -5
About the Muslim with the beard, his beard did not affect his productivity of work. If it had, then it would be interferring with the job/company. However, your attendence directly impacts the productivity of your job. You've been loyal to the company for 3 1/2 years, which is great, and shows that you are loyal to your bosses and job.
Indeed this is a sticky situation. The way I see it, not going in to work on any given day with an excuse is the same. What if your child was sick? Would you still go in? Or would you take the day? I view this as a personal choice. Your boss asks, or begs you to work on Sunday, and you refuse for whatever the reason be. The only two scenarios the company cares about is whether your working that day or not. The reason does not make a difference to them. Of course, they can be understanding and everything, but the results will be the same- you're either there, or not.
The ball is in your corner, and you have to make the decision of which is more important. Going to work, or going to church. If you choose to go to church, then you have chosen your religion over work, and must accept the consequences that follow. Likewise, if you go in for work, you must accept the consequences that follow.
If they really NEED you to work on Sunday, could you negotiate with them to pay you overtime, or something like that? See, the problem is that if there are other employees there that typically work Sundays, they'll be bitching about why you'd be getting paid overtime, etc.
I'm really sorry, but ultimately, you have to choose either your religion, or work. I would choose work, because it would solidify my loyalty to the company. You mentioned that you recieved a promotion a while back? Maybe they need someone with experience or a higher level position to work Sunday? What type of job do you have? Where do you work?
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Post by slappy on Mar 18, 2011 13:11:16 GMT -5
About the Muslim with the beard, his beard did not affect his productivity of work. If it had, then it would be interferring with the job/company. However, your attendence directly impacts the productivity of your job. You've been loyal to the company for 3 1/2 years, which is great, and shows that you are loyal to your bosses and job. Indeed this is a sticky situation. The way I see it, not going in to work on any given day with an excuse is the same. What if your child was sick? Would you still go in? Or would you take the day? I view this as a personal choice. Your boss asks, or begs you to work on Sunday, and you refuse for whatever the reason be. The only two scenarios the company cares about is whether your working that day or not. The reason does not make a difference to them. Of course, they can be understanding and everything, but the results will be the same- you're either there, or not. The ball is in your corner, and you have to make the decision of which is more important. Going to work, or going to church. If you choose to go to church, then you have chosen your religion over work, and must accept the consequences that follow. Likewise, if you go in for work, you must accept the consequences that follow. If they really NEED you to work on Sunday, could you negotiate with them to pay you overtime, or something like that? See, the problem is that if there are other employees there that typically work Sundays, they'll be bitching about why you'd be getting paid overtime, etc. I'm really sorry, but ultimately, you have to choose either your religion, or work. I would choose work, because it would solidify my loyalty to the company. You mentioned that you recieved a promotion a while back? Maybe they need someone with experience or a higher level position to work Sunday? What type of job do you have? Where do you work? Then if a company has a problem with gay people. Either choose work or being gay. Either choose work or being black. See how awful the situation could get? |
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Post by Y3RP: LA MARAVILLA!!! on Mar 18, 2011 13:12:06 GMT -5
i do it 1sunday, then if they push u tooo come more sundays. then u have your lawyer step in. i wish i can do this, but my bro would have a bitch fit, if i ever call my lawyer on him! bwhahaha i should now  |
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Mar 18, 2011 13:12:34 GMT -5
About the Muslim with the beard, his beard did not affect his productivity of work. If it had, then it would be interferring with the job/company. However, your attendence directly impacts the productivity of your job and thus. You've been loyal to the company for 3 1/2 years, which is great, and shows that you are loyal to your bosses and job. Indeed this is a sticky situation. The way I see it, not going in to work on any given day with an excuse is the same. What if your child was sick? Would you still go in? Or would you take the day? I view this as a personal choice. Your boss asks, or begs you to work on Sunday, and you refuse for whatever the reason be. The only two scenarios the company cares about is whether your working that day or not. The reason does not make a difference to them. Of course, they can be understanding and everything, but the results will be the same- you're either there, or not. The ball is in your corner, and you have to make the decision of which is more important. Going to work, or going to church. If you choose to go to church, then you have chosen your religion over work, and must accept the consequences that follow. Likewise, if you go in for work, you must accept the consequences that follow. If they really NEED you to work on Sunday, could you negotiate with them to pay you overtime, or something like that? See, the problem is that if there are other employees there that typically work Sundays, they'll be bitching about why you'd be getting paid overtime, etc. I'm really sorry, but ultimately, you have to choose either your religion, or work. I would choose work, because it would solidify my loyalty to the company. You mentioned that you recieved a promotion a while back? Maybe they need someone with experience or a higher level position to work Sunday? What type of job do you have? Where do you work? You are 100% correct. The only thing is that as I said, if I give them one Sunday, they'll take them all. It's not even a maybe. It WILL happen. And yes, my religion is more important than my job, and I understand that I have full control over this and will reap whatever I sew. I've accepted and am ok with this. |
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Post by redypiper on Mar 18, 2011 14:45:24 GMT -5
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Mar 18, 2011 14:49:49 GMT -5
I understand you not wanting to work but in today's economy and most people's job situation, they most likely can and will replace you if you start refusing to work certain days. Granted you might have a case against them if you do, but if they give in to one person who says they can't work Sundays due to religion what about other religions with weirder rules or guidelines. It's a tricky situation, on one hand you're in the right but on the other hand so are they, they have a business to run and they can't let someone wanting to go to church get in the way of their business. I would say do what you feel you need too, but be warned if you refuse to work days it could result in your termination and if that happens you may or may not have a case against them. If they've respected you're religion before they might do it again but if they need someone to work then they need someone to work and religion won't stop them from finding someone who can work Sundays.
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Post by breakthewallsdown on Mar 18, 2011 15:00:30 GMT -5
For a second I read the title as "I'm a blind" Anyways, best advice I can currently give is to talk to your boss and maybe work something out. Is there any way you can work and go to church/service? lol me too |
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