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Post by No Brokeback on Mar 26, 2011 16:22:09 GMT -5
I was just thinking back to these times while watching the latest episodes of TNA, and how WWE fans and WWE completely overlook WCW. WCW gets A LOT of crap because 'their business folded' and was sold. People also give them crap for not making new stars. But man, I don't think anything can beat the days of WCW. The excitement every Monday night, the Nitro theme, seeing some of the craziest stuff you could ever imagine a Nitro show. Man, the feeling of just remembering that makes me an excited wrestling fan. People can say 'Eric Bischoff didn't know what he was doing" but I don't even think the attitude era touches was WCW had going for it during that time. The only reason I started watching WWE is because it started going downhill around 99. DX was nothing more than WWE's version of the NWO, except trying to cross the line with sex, rather than purely being badass. So, although it's probably been done to death. Post your favorite WCW moments you can find on youtube  |
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Post by Rule 30 on Mar 26, 2011 16:26:19 GMT -5
I found it hard to enjoy WCW back then, and I still do today.
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Post by No Brokeback on Mar 26, 2011 16:28:40 GMT -5
I found it hard to enjoy WCW back then, and I still do today. Well, I'm curious...how old were you and how was it hard to enjoy? It had everything WWE had in the 80's, except those wrestlers were acting like 'men' rather than the gimmicks I enjoyed while I was younger. |
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Post by ztj_wwf on Mar 26, 2011 16:28:44 GMT -5
I think you mean WWE 1997-2002 trampled anything WCW has ever done.
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Post by No Brokeback on Mar 26, 2011 16:31:53 GMT -5
I think you mean WWE 1997-2002 trampled anything WCW has ever done. No, not even close. WWE was absolutely atrocious after 96. Was that Wrestlemania 12 Bret Hart vs Michaels? Ugh...that was a terrible Wrestlemania as well. Then Bret Hart went heel and hated America with the Hart Foundation? It was all just dumb. I think Referee Nick Patrick was more entertaining than WWE at that time all by himself. |
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Post by BV on Mar 26, 2011 16:34:03 GMT -5
To be fair, WWF was completely awful around 95-96. Once 97 hit the product got a lot better and wasn't as bad as you are saying.
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Post by No Brokeback on Mar 26, 2011 16:42:28 GMT -5
To be fair, WWF was completely awful around 95-96. Once 97 hit the product got a lot better and wasn't as bad as you are saying. I think I stopped watching in 96, just after Bret Hart lost at Wrestlemania. Because that ending was bullcrap, even to me as a kid. I can still remember how disappointed I was. However, as a kid, I didn't know why Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels were main eventing. I never cared for either of them. Shawn Michaels was great, but he was no 80's Hulk Hogan type of awesome main eventer, nor was he on par with how cool Sting was. So, with those 2 in WCW at the time and WWF having Bret Hart and Michaels in the main event, it was an easy choice as to which show I was going to watch. I still don't know why the IWC loves Bret Hart so much. Sure, he was a solid wrestler, but man...he was SOOOO boring outside of the 80's/ early 90's Hart Foundation. Even in WCW he was a bore. |
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Post by Rule 30 on Mar 26, 2011 16:47:04 GMT -5
I found it hard to enjoy WCW back then, and I still do today. Well, I'm curious...how old were you and how was it hard to enjoy? It had everything WWE had in the 80's, except those wrestlers were acting like 'men' rather than the gimmicks I enjoyed while I was younger. I was not that old at the time, in 98 I was 6 years old, I don't know, I've just never been able to enjoy WCW. Only the matches with guys like Rey Mysterio and Eddie Guerrero and Chris Jericho and Juvi and everyone is what I could enjoy. |
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Post by redypiper on Mar 26, 2011 17:30:31 GMT -5
did you mean nwa '85-'88?  |
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Post by ToastMaster General on Mar 26, 2011 17:33:05 GMT -5
did you mean nwa '85-'88? NWA 1985-1990 is more like it! ;D |
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Post by HugoOne on Mar 26, 2011 17:39:39 GMT -5
I think you mean WWE 1997-2002 trampled anything WCW has ever done. I agree partially with this. 1997 and 2000 were both amazing years in the WWE, and in wrestling in general. I choose those 2 years over any other year in professional wrestling, no matter the company. |
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Post by redypiper on Mar 26, 2011 17:42:42 GMT -5
did you mean nwa '85-'88? NWA 1985-1990 is more like it! ;D woooooo! |
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Post by ztj_wwf on Mar 26, 2011 17:43:31 GMT -5
To be fair, WWF was completely awful around 95-96. Once 97 hit the product got a lot better and wasn't as bad as you are saying. I think I stopped watching in 96, just after Bret Hart lost at Wrestlemania. Because that ending was bullcrap, even to me as a kid. I can still remember how disappointed I was. However, as a kid, I didn't know why Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels were main eventing. I never cared for either of them. Shawn Michaels was great, but he was no 80's Hulk Hogan type of awesome main eventer, nor was he on par with how cool Sting was. So, with those 2 in WCW at the time and WWF having Bret Hart and Michaels in the main event, it was an easy choice as to which show I was going to watch. I still don't know why the IWC loves Bret Hart so much. Sure, he was a solid wrestler, but man...he was SOOOO boring outside of the 80's/ early 90's Hart Foundation. Even in WCW he was a bore. and the Starrcade ending wasn't... Anyone who would rather watch old farts like Hogan and Sting in the ring, rather than technical masterpieces with Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels is obviously a complete idiot. Boring? He put on the greatest matches known to man, I don't see how that's boring? and to your earlier comment, the Canada vs USA thing was dumb? It was amazing, and made, for me, 1997 the greatest year in WWF history. What was so special about WCW? Yeah the Sting/Hogan feud was great, but the matches sucked. the nWo was stale as hell, and the only good matches consisted of the cruiserweights...With WCW, I found you had to sit through the whole boring show, to get an exciting ending, with the WWF, it was exciting, for the most part, all the way through. |
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Post by Blackbird. on Mar 26, 2011 17:46:52 GMT -5
I'd love to watch literally EVERY Nitro from 95-98. I was only 3-6 at the time so I couldn't really appreciate it. Been watching every Raw from 98-99 lately as I found someone who had every single one on VHS (All 100-odd of them).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2011 17:46:54 GMT -5
I think you mean WWE 1997-2002 trampled anything WCW has ever done. And I think you mean WWF/E tramples anything WCW has done 1997-2004. |
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Post by chaz on Mar 26, 2011 18:08:52 GMT -5
I'm a massive, massive, MASSIVE WCW mark, but even I'm not oblivious to the fact that from 1997 onwards WWE absolutely destroyed them and their product. You'd have to be insane to overlook WCW's failing product following '97.
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Post by brainbusters on Mar 26, 2011 18:13:44 GMT -5
Is it bad that I enjoyed 1991-1994 better?  |
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Post by ToastMaster General on Mar 26, 2011 18:17:58 GMT -5
Is it bad that I enjoyed 1991-1994 better? There's some awesome stuff during that period, for both companies my friend. No shame whatsoever liking that era! |
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Post by No Brokeback on Mar 26, 2011 18:31:59 GMT -5
I think I stopped watching in 96, just after Bret Hart lost at Wrestlemania. Because that ending was bullcrap, even to me as a kid. I can still remember how disappointed I was. However, as a kid, I didn't know why Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels were main eventing. I never cared for either of them. Shawn Michaels was great, but he was no 80's Hulk Hogan type of awesome main eventer, nor was he on par with how cool Sting was. So, with those 2 in WCW at the time and WWF having Bret Hart and Michaels in the main event, it was an easy choice as to which show I was going to watch. I still don't know why the IWC loves Bret Hart so much. Sure, he was a solid wrestler, but man...he was SOOOO boring outside of the 80's/ early 90's Hart Foundation. Even in WCW he was a bore. and the Starrcade ending wasn't... Anyone who would rather watch old farts like Hogan and Sting in the ring, rather than technical masterpieces with Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels is obviously a complete idiot. Boring? He put on the greatest matches known to man, I don't see how that's boring? and to your earlier comment, the Canada vs USA thing was dumb? It was amazing, and made, for me, 1997 the greatest year in WWF history. What was so special about WCW? Yeah the Sting/Hogan feud was great, but the matches sucked. the nWo was stale as hell, and the only good matches consisted of the cruiserweights...With WCW, I found you had to sit through the whole boring show, to get an exciting ending, with the WWF, it was exciting, for the most part, all the way through. How the hell was that an amazing storyline? Canada vs Bret didn't make sense at all for Bret's character always being for the fans. Sure, he was from Canada. WWE was trying the same thing that WCW was doing, turning one of the biggest faces heel, to see what would happen and it was just bad. and I don't care how good a match is, if there's a good story behind it, and I can't stand behind a character, then I'm in that match. A technical masterpiece could be in the center of the ring, but I don't watching wrestling for wrestling, I was wrestler for entertainment, and that's where storylines coming in. and Hogan was entertaining as well as Sting, and the whole entire NWO/WCW storyline during the time. |
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Post by chaz on Mar 26, 2011 20:04:02 GMT -5
and the Starrcade ending wasn't... Anyone who would rather watch old farts like Hogan and Sting in the ring, rather than technical masterpieces with Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels is obviously a complete idiot. Boring? He put on the greatest matches known to man, I don't see how that's boring? and to your earlier comment, the Canada vs USA thing was dumb? It was amazing, and made, for me, 1997 the greatest year in WWF history. What was so special about WCW? Yeah the Sting/Hogan feud was great, but the matches sucked. the nWo was stale as hell, and the only good matches consisted of the cruiserweights...With WCW, I found you had to sit through the whole boring show, to get an exciting ending, with the WWF, it was exciting, for the most part, all the way through. How the hell was that an amazing storyline? Canada vs Bret didn't make sense at all for Bret's character always being for the fans. Sure, he was from Canada. WWE was trying the same thing that WCW was doing, turning one of the biggest faces heel, to see what would happen and it was just bad. and I don't care how good a match is, if there's a good story behind it, and I can't stand behind a character, then I'm in that match. A technical masterpiece could be in the center of the ring, but I don't watching wrestling for wrestling, I was wrestler for entertainment, and that's where storylines coming in. and Hogan was entertaining as well as Sting, and the whole entire NWO/WCW storyline during the time. I'm a massive, massive, MASSIVE WCW mark, but even I'm not oblivious to the fact that from 1997 onwards WWE absolutely destroyed them and their product. You'd have to be insane to overlook WCW's failing product following '97.[/youtube] You sound like a WWE DVD WWE may have been good in 97, but it was NO WHERE on par with WCW. and 'old farts' weren't just wrestling in WCW. Nash and Hall were old, Sting wasn't 'old' either. The Luchadors were better than anything WWE was doing bar none. How quick a lot of the wrestlers were was insane at the time. I say, if you didn't watch Rey Mysterio in WCW..you didn't watch Rey Mysterio. I'm more than convinced you just hate everything WWE related. The Bret vs. Canada USA storyline was beautifully written. It was incredible how over he was in Canada yet so hated by USA fans. WWE didn't plan to turn him. They did it because the fans were turning on him and saw the opportunity to do something with that. It worked. The nWo storyline was an absolute shambles after they added the Giant and Ted DiBiase. You can't tell me that having 15-20 guys crammed in a ring while Hogan tells everyone how great he is is great television? I'm not going to deny that the cruiserweights were amazing because they were. Benoit, Malenko, Booker, Sting, Guerrero, Mysterio, Juvi, Psicosis, the Steiners.. all amazing during this time. However, the nWo storyline was good for initial shock value, and that's it. Overall it was a train wreck. I don't see how you can say it was all entertaining. Did you miss the Fingerpoke of Doom and nWo-B? |
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