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Post by Matt on Nov 8, 2007 13:09:01 GMT -5
Even if he won the title, it wouldn't have been as good as his WCW title runs. True, but at least he would've won a belt during his stay in the W.W.F. I'm sure he would've rather had that than nothing at all like he did have. I guess. I think he had a good role in the WWF when he was getting pushed. You always don't need a title to be great and I think Vader proved that in his run.
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Post by inrogers29 on Nov 8, 2007 14:10:30 GMT -5
Plus he got in trouble for the Kuwait incident, which if anybody could tell me, that would be nice, if that was planned or not.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Nov 8, 2007 15:18:41 GMT -5
Plus he got in trouble for the Kuwait incident, which if anybody could tell me, that would be nice, if that was planned or not. That was not planned at all. I believe it was a talk show over in Kuwait and they had Vader and The Undertaker on as guests. And the host asked Vader if wrestling was fake and Vader snapped, flipped over a table and grabbed the host by his tie and got in his face and said something like "Does that feel fake". He got heat for that for sure and if I'm not mistaken actually spent time in jail over in Kuwait for the incident.
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Post by fallenhero on Nov 8, 2007 20:45:48 GMT -5
Vader never got a title run because Shawn Michaels is a dickhead. End of.
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Post by purpleisaaw on Nov 9, 2007 16:28:33 GMT -5
ive always loved vader he was one of the first guys i liked hes an amazingly agile big guy. he deserved more of a push but from what ive heard hes really rough in the ring so maybe they thought he would be to dangerous
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Post by sincityhero on Nov 15, 2007 18:51:56 GMT -5
I hear he was gonna get the IC belt from rocky after the kuwait tour but then the incident happened and he got arrested.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2007 20:32:14 GMT -5
Same reason Bam Bam Bigelow didn't get his promised WWF Title Run. Politics.
Though Bigelow was sick of backstage politics, so he quit. Something along those lines.
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Post by Matt on Nov 15, 2007 20:33:15 GMT -5
Bigelow was to good for the WWF.
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Post by raz2005uk on Nov 15, 2007 22:45:12 GMT -5
There were quite a few reasons which snowballed into Vader not getting any gold in the WWF:
1. As mentioned - Vader flipped out at a kuwaiti presenter on a morning show and got serious heat over that - considering at that time he'd only just started his WWF career.
2. Vince Mcmahon was NEVER a fan of Vader but was forcingly convinced by others in the company to sign him since he was such a big star in WCW in those days. Even last time round when Vader made a cameo appearance in WWE - it was Dusty Rhodes who kept pestering Vince about bringing him in- although Vince didn't want to.
3. As some people put rightly on the board, Shawn Michaels was constantly in Vince's ear trying to sway things in his favour - basically he didnt want to lose the belt to Vader. Let's just say in those days HBK was quite the backstage politican!
4. Many wrestlers have documented that Vader had awful personal hygiene. Most wrestlers wash their wrestling gear on a daily basis but Vader had picked up a tradition from his days in Japan that for good luck in the ring wrestlers should not wash their attires. Therefore, Vader absolutely stunk in the ring because of this and many wrestlers complained about the smell when they would lock up with him. If my memory serves me correct, Mick Foley talks about this in an interview he did.
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Post by fallenhero on Nov 16, 2007 15:41:10 GMT -5
I hear he was gonna get the IC belt from rocky after the kuwait tour but then the incident happened and he got arrested. Rocky wasn't even in the WWF at the time. The Kuwait incident happened pre-Survivor Series 1996.
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Post by sincityhero on Nov 16, 2007 16:06:48 GMT -5
He said it on the shoot....
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Post by fallenhero on Nov 16, 2007 16:57:34 GMT -5
He said it on the shoot.... I actually just looked through my match listings for RAW 97, and that's when the Kuwait thing happened, so I guess that's correct. For some reason I thought it happened in 1996.
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Nov 20, 2007 19:11:04 GMT -5
Vince never likes to push what he didn't create. Vader was a NWA/WCW and Japan creation. If Vince had repackaged him like he did with Mick Foley then he probably would have been a champion. But he wasn't and Vince wanted no part of it.
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