PenguinDeluxe
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Mar 31, 2011 20:26:24 GMT -5
Opposite end of the spectrum, I loved HBK's overselling of Hogan's moves at SummerSlam. He made his own moves seem so powerful that he made Hogan look bad. Hilarious!
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Post by No Brokeback on Mar 31, 2011 20:29:16 GMT -5
Opposite end of the spectrum, I loved HBK's overselling of Hogan's moves at SummerSlam. He made his own moves seem so powerful that he made Hogan look bad. Hilarious! I thought that was so damn stupid. You have 2 older men in the ring, one which claims to have found God and not act like an immature idiot anymore, then he pulls something like that at a PPV. It just made Shawn Michaels look like an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2011 21:32:36 GMT -5
theres a misunderstanding here.......Cena no sells due to errors on his part a lot of the time-if he was booked to do it(Hogan,Warrior etc etc) we would all except it.
take WM23-he forgot to sell his leg beating so much HBK yelled at him in the ring about it and backstage.there was so much went into that......I wouldnt blame HBK.
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Post by DMO™ on Mar 31, 2011 22:11:50 GMT -5
Opposite end of the spectrum, I loved HBK's overselling of Hogan's moves at SummerSlam. He made his own moves seem so powerful that he made Hogan look bad. Hilarious! I thought that was so damn stupid. You have 2 older men in the ring, one which claims to have found God and not act like an immature idiot anymore, then he pulls something like that at a PPV. It just made Shawn Michaels look like an idiot. He did it purposely, they had a deal whare Hogan would win one match and HBK would win one, but when SummerSlam came along Hogan decided that he was leaving afterwards leaving HBK hanging on the deal, hence the hilarious Over Selling. But I'm sure you already knew that anyway.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Mar 31, 2011 22:23:15 GMT -5
Opposite end of the spectrum, I loved HBK's overselling of Hogan's moves at SummerSlam. He made his own moves seem so powerful that he made Hogan look bad. Hilarious! I thought that was so damn stupid. You have 2 older men in the ring, one which claims to have found God and not act like an immature idiot anymore, then he pulls something like that at a PPV. It just made Shawn Michaels look like an idiot. Finding God and giving someone their rightful due are not the same thing. Being Christian does not mean letting people step all over you and that's what Hogan was doing. He would get his win, and then leave, and not have to drop a match to HBK, which was the plan.
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Post by T R W on Mar 31, 2011 22:26:59 GMT -5
Have we talked this long about no selling without mentioning Goldberg?
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Post by Sonnen on Mar 31, 2011 22:31:14 GMT -5
No selling can actually be okay when done in the right situation, but more often that not, it just hurts someone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2011 22:46:51 GMT -5
you know who pissed me off with no selling...Pitbull Bald #1 i think
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 1, 2011 7:31:35 GMT -5
Have we talked this long about no selling without mentioning Goldberg? I mentioned him on the first page. He falls under the Ultimate Warrior category for me and the similarities between those two is absurd as well. If Cena is Hogan then Goldberg is most definitely Warrior. Also, HBK over selling Hogan was probably the funniest thing I have ever seen in an actual big match like that. Hogan deserves every bit of that imo. Additionally, this is always a good time to plug one of my favorite vignettes ever: ;D
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Post by No Brokeback on Apr 1, 2011 8:30:00 GMT -5
I thought that was so damn stupid. You have 2 older men in the ring, one which claims to have found God and not act like an immature idiot anymore, then he pulls something like that at a PPV. It just made Shawn Michaels look like an idiot. He did it purposely, they had a deal whare Hogan would win one match and HBK would win one, but when SummerSlam came along Hogan decided that he was leaving afterwards leaving HBK hanging on the deal, hence the hilarious Over Selling. But I'm sure you already knew that anyway. I still don't see how that makes Shawn Michaels in the 'right'. People don't get their way all the time in the business. Deals are broken, whatever...But they don't go out there acting like an idiot either. But because it's Shawn Michaels, it's okay do something idiotic and immature like that on TV, during a PPV. I just don't understand how fans could get behind that, be it Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Triple H, Austin, Foley. If someone did that to Shawn Michaels (for deals, I'm sure he's broken worse than Hogan) that guy would be fired in an instant, and I'm sure the internet fans would hate whoever it was. Can you imagine CM Punk vs Undertaker at the next Wrestlemania. Punk is scheduled to win, but at the last minute, Taker decides "Ya know, I really want to go out and win this to close my time in the WWE" For CM Punk to go out there and Shawn Michaels it up?
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Post by rossfan on Apr 1, 2011 9:12:57 GMT -5
Macho giving Warrior 5 elbows in a row and still kicking out put Warrior over as an energetic superhuman-type character, which was what the Warrior was about. He was justified because he was one of those guys who was built as superhuman. He even looked like a superhero. Hogan's return was justified because he "Hulked-up." That was his thing, once he hulked up, you were screwed. He went on an adrenaline rush, gave them the boot, the leg drop and got the win. Again, Hogan was a superhero type character that worked in the 80s, just like Warrior. John Cena isn't justified because we're in 2011. He is booked as a NORMAL GUY. John Cena comes out in jean shorts, cuts corny jokes, he is a normal guy. There's nothing superhuman about his image or character. His win-loss record, on the other hand is superhuman. And that's what pisses people off. The guy hasn't lost a match clean with no shananigans since April 2007. And that was to Shawn Michaels in England. Do you blame people for getting pissed off? Cause I don't. WWE don't even acknowledge how superhuman John Cena really is. They play him off as this guy that works hard and "gives it his all." And that's what annoys us. seriously what are you talking about, most of this post is rubbish 1.cena is booked as a superhero ala hogan and warrior, how many other wrestlers are carrying big show and edge on their back during a ppv..............none not even mark henry 2.his win-loss record is nothing amazing at all, compared with say bruno sammartinos or hulk hogans or lesnars or goldbergs. in 2008 his record on ppv was 5-5 3.he lost to randy orton clean at hell in a cell in 2009, he lost clean to jbl at gab in 2008, he lost clean to batista at summerslam 2008, he lost clean to hhh on raw in 2009, big show on raw in 2009, hhh at noc in 2008, he even lost clean to justin gabriel on raw last year, seriously if you don't know what you are talking about please don't post on the topic, how the f**k is that not losing clean with no shanighans as you so put it 13 30secs or that, 2mins 40 or that in october 2009 at 7mins 10sec hogan didn't lose clean for SIX F**KING YEARS between 1984 and WM6, top guys in the business and cena is the top guy rarely lose clean when on top, austin rarely lost clean from 1998 onwards (rock wasn't top guy), having your top guy losing every week would totally dilute everything, how many times has hhh lost clean, or taker, how many times has orton lost clean since turning face??
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Post by rossfan on Apr 1, 2011 9:20:38 GMT -5
on the topic of no selling i found it so funny people were complaining about cena getting up after punk hit him in the back with a chair, (cena got up approx 25 seconds later), now foley got hit how many times with a chair on the head by rock, rob terry got hit on the head by a chair on tna and didn't budge
bret hart totally no sold hbk working on his leg throughout their iron man at mania yet when cena kind of no sells once at mania23 every cena hater is on his back, its fu*king hilarious
also go watch any junior hw match or match from japan, how much no sell is happening there, powerbombs from the top rope, finisher after finisher and people kicking out and everyone is in awe at these guys, yet cena kicks out of a ddt at summerslam and people are complaining, lmfao at the iwc and cena haters
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 1, 2011 10:18:02 GMT -5
He did it purposely, they had a deal whare Hogan would win one match and HBK would win one, but when SummerSlam came along Hogan decided that he was leaving afterwards leaving HBK hanging on the deal, hence the hilarious Over Selling. But I'm sure you already knew that anyway. I still don't see how that makes Shawn Michaels in the 'right'. People don't get their way all the time in the business. Deals are broken, whatever...But they don't go out there acting like an idiot either. But because it's Shawn Michaels, it's okay do something idiotic and immature like that on TV, during a PPV. I just don't understand how fans could get behind that, be it Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Triple H, Austin, Foley. If someone did that to Shawn Michaels (for deals, I'm sure he's broken worse than Hogan) that guy would be fired in an instant, and I'm sure the internet fans would hate whoever it was. Can you imagine CM Punk vs Undertaker at the next Wrestlemania. Punk is scheduled to win, but at the last minute, Taker decides "Ya know, I really want to go out and win this to close my time in the WWE" For CM Punk to go out there and Shawn Michaels it up? You know you're right. I feel sorry for Hogan, he shouldn't have to lay down for anyone or do the same types of things that other veteran superstars are asked to do. Why would Hogan lose? It's not like he was going to leave WWE right after, thus gaining a meaningless win against a guy who was going to be around having show stealing matches at WrestleMania over the course of the next 5 years. It's not like HBK volunteered to do the job and then Hogan talked crapbehind his back throughout the entire feud. I wish Hogan had a bigger ego so he would have stood up for himself... Remember that time he put over a rising star in Randy Orton. HULK STILL RULES!!!!! Even at 50... I like how you did that thing where you compared the one guy who isn't on the same level as the other guy, to the other situation where it was the one guy who is an icon that faced the other guy who was a Legend, and it just made tons of sense to me.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Apr 1, 2011 10:33:53 GMT -5
Honestly I think even worse than Cena's no-selling is Randy Orton's routine "unexpected" RKO after losing the entire match. It seriously cheapens the entire match and at this point it's beyond stale.
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Post by No Brokeback on Apr 1, 2011 10:54:35 GMT -5
I still don't see how that makes Shawn Michaels in the 'right'. People don't get their way all the time in the business. Deals are broken, whatever...But they don't go out there acting like an idiot either. But because it's Shawn Michaels, it's okay do something idiotic and immature like that on TV, during a PPV. I just don't understand how fans could get behind that, be it Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Triple H, Austin, Foley. If someone did that to Shawn Michaels (for deals, I'm sure he's broken worse than Hogan) that guy would be fired in an instant, and I'm sure the internet fans would hate whoever it was. Can you imagine CM Punk vs Undertaker at the next Wrestlemania. Punk is scheduled to win, but at the last minute, Taker decides "Ya know, I really want to go out and win this to close my time in the WWE" For CM Punk to go out there and Shawn Michaels it up? You know you're right. I feel sorry for Hogan, he shouldn't have to lay down for anyone or do the same types of things that other veteran superstars are asked to do. Why would Hogan lose? It's not like he was going to leave WWE right after, thus gaining a meaningless win against a guy who was going to be around having show stealing matches at WrestleMania over the course of the next 5 years. It's not like HBK volunteered to do the job and then Hogan talked poop behind his back throughout the entire feud. I wish Hogan had a bigger ego so he would have stood up for himself... Remember that time he put over a rising star in Randy Orton. HULK STILL RULES!!!!! Even at 50... I like how you did that thing where you compared the one guy who isn't on the same level as the other guy, to the other situation where it was the one guy who is an icon that faced the other guy who was a Legend, and it just made tons of sense to me. Did Hogan not put over Brock and Edge? I'm pretty sure Hogan got F5's a few times and Edge also teamed with Hulk. It's also good that Hogan was at least protecting his character, before Vince McMahon ruined him, turning him into the idiotic Mr America, and destroyed the NWO. Also, Austin did the same thing if not worse, he walked out of the company before putting new stars like Lesnar and others over. But do people still give him crap for doing stuff like that? Nope, not at all..because he's Mr Lovable Austin. You can't hate what WWE tells you to love! But if you want me to put the Undertaker in a more fair situation. If Triple H was scheduled to win, and at the LAST moment before going out to that ring, he learned that he had to lose at Wrestlemania because the Undertaker demanded it...do you think Triple H would go out there and be unprofessional? He might be pissed off, but I doubt he'd ruin a classic PPV moment that would live on forever because of a match that basically means nothing more than entertaining an audience that's watching. It's not a life or death situation where if you don't get your way, you have to make the other guy look bad. It's pathetic.
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Post by rossfan on Apr 1, 2011 10:59:56 GMT -5
in fairness to austin, they wanted him to lose clean to lesnar on an unannounced match on sd with zero buildup, austin being the smart mind that he is said he wouldn't do that because a properly built up austin/lesnar feud would have been money
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Post by thespecialone on Apr 1, 2011 11:21:08 GMT -5
Don't forget when HHH hit Warrior with a pedigree and he got up just as fast as HHH did.
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Post by No Brokeback on Apr 1, 2011 11:21:20 GMT -5
in fairness to austin, they wanted him to lose clean to lesnar on an unannounced match on sd with zero buildup, austin being the smart mind that he is said he wouldn't do that because a properly built up austin/lesnar feud would have been money So, you're saying that it's okay for Austin, the top star of the company to call a show up and tell the WWE listeners that the creative direction of the show was piss poor Walk out of a company unannounced Leave storylines hanging, with writers having to re-write everything at last moment... But it's not okay for Hogan, being a smart veteran, also protecting his character, to say that he didn't agree to losing to Michaels (or whatever happened) So Michaels could go out and act like a complete douche in the middle of the ring during a PPV. So, that's 3 WWE superstars being childish and ridiculous, yet everyone still loves Michaels...Everyone still loves Austin...Hogan though, he must be evil! Tell me, who did Austin put over for the era after he left? Rock put Hurricane on the map Rock put Evolution up there Rock gave Goldberg his main event feel in WWE Oh..RIGHT, even The Rock is hated on these boards because he went to Hollywood... Who did Austin put over before he left? It wasn't Eddie It wasn't Brock hmm..I can't recall, because he LEFT THE WWE WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO PUT SOMEONE OVER. While Hogan was there -Zack Gowen -Brock Lesnar -Edge
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Post by threehgame on Apr 1, 2011 11:27:20 GMT -5
But if you want me to put the Undertaker in a more fair situation. If Triple H was scheduled to win, and at the LAST moment before going out to that ring, he learned that he had to lose at Wrestlemania because the Undertaker demanded it...do you think Triple H would go out there and be unprofessional? He might be pissed off, but I doubt he'd ruin a classic PPV moment that would live on forever because of a match that basically means nothing more than entertaining an audience that's watching. It's not a life or death situation where if you don't get your way, you have to make the other guy look bad. It's pathetic. Actually I think HHH would go out there and stink the joint up on purpose. He has been whining about putting Taker over at WM17 and how he should be able to end the streak for years now, add to it his ego and immature in ring streak. I think he suck on purpose. We get it, if the WWE makes someone out to be the bad guy you love them and if the WWE says someone is a saint you think they are evil.
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Post by No Brokeback on Apr 1, 2011 11:31:25 GMT -5
But if you want me to put the Undertaker in a more fair situation. If Triple H was scheduled to win, and at the LAST moment before going out to that ring, he learned that he had to lose at Wrestlemania because the Undertaker demanded it...do you think Triple H would go out there and be unprofessional? He might be pissed off, but I doubt he'd ruin a classic PPV moment that would live on forever because of a match that basically means nothing more than entertaining an audience that's watching. It's not a life or death situation where if you don't get your way, you have to make the other guy look bad. It's pathetic. Actually I think HHH would go out there and stink the joint up on purpose. He has been whining about putting Taker over at WM17 and how he should be able to end the streak for years now, add to it his ego and immature in ring streak. I think he suck on purpose. We get it, if the WWE makes someone out to be the bad guy you love them and if the WWE says someone is a saint you think they are evil. No, I'm not talking about the WWE. I'm talking about the fans in general. They sure think it's funny that Shawn Michaels goes out there to do stupid crapbecause Hogan doesn't get his way. Yet, Austin did the same thing, but much worse on a much grander scale (as he was the top guy at the time) and..oh, of course that's okay, it's Austin! Hogan's though, he's just a greedy selfish bastard for saying no to Shawn Michaels..damn him to hell!!!!
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