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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2011 11:57:20 GMT -5
Macho giving Warrior 5 elbows in a row and still kicking out put Warrior over as an energetic superhuman-type character, which was what the Warrior was about. He was justified because he was one of those guys who was built as superhuman. He even looked like a superhero. Hogan's return was justified because he "Hulked-up." That was his thing, once he hulked up, you were screwed. He went on an adrenaline rush, gave them the boot, the leg drop and got the win. Again, Hogan was a superhero type character that worked in the 80s, just like Warrior. John Cena isn't justified because we're in 2011. He is booked as a NORMAL GUY. John Cena comes out in jean shorts, cuts corny jokes, he is a normal guy. There's nothing superhuman about his image or character. His win-loss record, on the other hand is superhuman. And that's what pisses people off. The guy hasn't lost a match clean with no shananigans since April 2007. And that was to Shawn Michaels in England. Do you blame people for getting pissed off? Cause I don't. WWE don't even acknowledge how superhuman John Cena really is. They play him off as this guy that works hard and "gives it his all." And that's what annoys us. seriously what are you talking about, most of this post is rubbish 1.cena is booked as a superhero ala hogan and warrior, how many other wrestlers are carrying big show and edge on their back during a ppv..............none not even mark henry 2.his win-loss record is nothing amazing at all, compared with say bruno sammartinos or hulk hogans or lesnars or goldbergs. in 2008 his record on ppv was 5-5 3.he lost to randy orton clean at hell in a cell in 2009, he lost clean to jbl at gab in 2008, he lost clean to batista at summerslam 2008, he lost clean to hhh on raw in 2009, big show on raw in 2009, hhh at noc in 2008, he even lost clean to justin gabriel on raw last year, seriously if you don't know what you are talking about please don't post on the topic, how the f**k is that not losing clean with no shanighans as you so put it 13 30secs or that, 2mins 40 or that in october 2009 at 7mins 10sec hogan didn't lose clean for SIX F**KING YEARS between 1984 and WM6, top guys in the business and cena is the top guy rarely lose clean when on top, austin rarely lost clean from 1998 onwards (rock wasn't top guy), having your top guy losing every week would totally dilute everything, how many times has hhh lost clean, or taker, how many times has orton lost clean since turning face?? Hell in a Cell 2009 - Cena had the referee pinned and Orton choked him out before punting him in the head for the win. Keep in mind that this is the move that has put countless legends on the shelf for MONTHS and here Cena is, getting up straight after the match. NOC 2008 - Like I always say, HHH is the only one allowed to beat Cena. Summerslam 2008 - WWE wouldn't shut up about how Cena broke his neck. And he didn't even do it in this match. TLC 2009 - WWE wouldn't shut up about how Cena's foot "slipped", even though it was clear as day that Sheamus pushed him. Sheamus didn't look credible at all, so it's no wonder his first reign flopped. Bottom line, Cena wins too much and that's why we're sick of him. You could talk about Hogan all day and it won't change a thing. Hogan was from the 80s when that shtick was cool and accepted. After seeing the Attitude Era, we don't want "Drink your milk, say your prayers" babyfaces anymore.
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Post by Scott! on Apr 1, 2011 12:03:32 GMT -5
its because cena is a real life super ... pain in the arse !
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Post by scoobypat on Apr 1, 2011 12:50:45 GMT -5
No selling is old school because of the lack of guaranteed contracts. At the time a wrestler really had to be conscious and careful about the portrayal of his character. With the various territories wrestlers would almost serve as their own managers (business wise, not in the wrestling sense) in that they need to sell their character not only to the company but to the people. If a guy is a great seller, that's nice and all but he's making himself look awful. So back then it was all about finding a middle ground respect wise of what you'd sell hard and what you wouldn't. As you got bigger you understandably weren't forced to sell as much because who was going to call you on it?
Of course you also get guys like Warrior and Hogan who I think just got in the habit of no selling and that became part of their character. Today if a character is pushed right, there isn't really a good reason outside of ego to no sell.
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Post by wabarrett on Apr 1, 2011 13:53:54 GMT -5
I wish people would just accept that John Cena (the man and the character) is mentally strong and damn determined, and is a hero and an inspiration to young viewers all over the world. Youngsters rely on him to battle out of the toughest situations, and watching Cena and his never-say-die attitude sends young fans home happy. They can admire him for it.
Cena is simply supposed to be the absolute toughest guy (mentally and physically) in the company, someone who kids can look up to.
Get it through your heads, WWE is not all about pandering to the needs of you so-called adults, specifically your need for realism in a product that everyone over 13 knows is scripted, choreographed and not even considered a true sport.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2011 14:37:14 GMT -5
I wish people would just accept that John Cena (the man and the character) is mentally strong and damn determined, and is a hero and an inspiration to young viewers all over the world. Youngsters rely on him to battle out of the toughest situations, and watching Cena and his never-say-die attitude sends young fans home happy. They can admire him for it. Cena is simply supposed to be the absolute toughest guy (mentally and physically) in the company, someone who kids can look up to. Get it through your heads, WWE is not all about pandering to the needs of you so-called adults, specifically your need for realism in a product that everyone over 13 knows is scripted, choreographed and not even considered a true sport. Thank you?
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Post by wabarrett on Apr 1, 2011 14:44:41 GMT -5
I wish people would just accept that John Cena (the man and the character) is mentally strong and damn determined, and is a hero and an inspiration to young viewers all over the world. Youngsters rely on him to battle out of the toughest situations, and watching Cena and his never-say-die attitude sends young fans home happy. They can admire him for it. Cena is simply supposed to be the absolute toughest guy (mentally and physically) in the company, someone who kids can look up to. Get it through your heads, WWE is not all about pandering to the needs of you so-called adults, specifically your need for realism in a product that everyone over 13 knows is scripted, choreographed and not even considered a true sport. Thank you? That was aimed at those who are trying to excuse Hogan and Warrior for no-selling but then attack Cena for it, and to the people who won't shut up complaining that WWE focuses on kids to much rather than being 'like it was the Attitude Era!!'
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Post by threehgame on Apr 1, 2011 15:06:17 GMT -5
I wish people would just accept that John Cena (the man and the character) is mentally strong and damn determined, and is a hero and an inspiration to young viewers all over the world. Youngsters rely on him to battle out of the toughest situations, and watching Cena and his never-say-die attitude sends young fans home happy. They can admire him for it. Cena is simply supposed to be the absolute toughest guy (mentally and physically) in the company, someone who kids can look up to. Get it through your heads, WWE is not all about pandering to the needs of you so-called adults, specifically your need for realism in a product that everyone over 13 knows is scripted, choreographed and not even considered a true sport. Hence why so many wrestling fans have shifted to watching MMA making the UFC a larger profit yearly than the WWE. Great job WWE!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2011 19:48:18 GMT -5
That was aimed at those who are trying to excuse Hogan and Warrior for no-selling but then attack Cena for it, and to the people who won't shut up complaining that WWE focuses on kids to much rather than being 'like it was the Attitude Era!!' I didn't mean the ? to be there... i meant to say Thank You!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2011 20:00:27 GMT -5
I wish people would just accept that John Cena (the man and the character) is mentally strong and damn determined, and is a hero and an inspiration to young viewers all over the world. Youngsters rely on him to battle out of the toughest situations, and watching Cena and his never-say-die attitude sends young fans home happy. They can admire him for it. Cena is simply supposed to be the absolute toughest guy (mentally and physically) in the company, someone who kids can look up to. Get it through your heads, WWE is not all about pandering to the needs of you so-called adults, specifically your need for realism in a product that everyone over 13 knows is scripted, choreographed and not even considered a true sport. So, what you're saying is that only the kids matter? That WWE shouldn't make a character that their lifelong fans can relate to? Give me a break.
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Post by DTP. on Apr 1, 2011 20:48:19 GMT -5
I remember LOD's no-sell routine, where if Hawk was worked over or effected by a head-inflicted move, he'd no-sell it and hulk up.
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Post by rossfan on Apr 1, 2011 20:54:43 GMT -5
Hence why so many wrestling fans have shifted to watching MMA making the UFC a larger profit yearly than the WWE. Great job WWE! as far as i am aware ufc don't release yearly numbers, its speculated they bring in some $200-250m in revenue a year, approx 1/2 what wwe does and wwe have a ton more revenue streams, run way more shows a year too, anyway wwe are not owned by two guys who are billions in debt and hanging onto their empire by their fingertips like ufc wwe during their most profitable year they did a profit of $68m, last year in 2010 they did a profit of $53.5m. with or without ufc, wwe casual fans started tuning out in 2002 long long before the pg era, once austins career starting winding down in mid 2002 raw started doing 3s and has been doing them since, house show attendances fell off badly and ppvs numbers dropped, in 2002-03 wwe posted a loss of $20m, since the pg era sponsors have returned and revenue with it, merch sales are up huge, cenas already 3rd biggest merch seller in history and will easily pass hogan in sales soon
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Post by wabarrett on Apr 2, 2011 11:45:10 GMT -5
I wish people would just accept that John Cena (the man and the character) is mentally strong and damn determined, and is a hero and an inspiration to young viewers all over the world. Youngsters rely on him to battle out of the toughest situations, and watching Cena and his never-say-die attitude sends young fans home happy. They can admire him for it. Cena is simply supposed to be the absolute toughest guy (mentally and physically) in the company, someone who kids can look up to. Get it through your heads, WWE is not all about pandering to the needs of you so-called adults, specifically your need for realism in a product that everyone over 13 knows is scripted, choreographed and not even considered a true sport. So, what you're saying is that only the kids matter? That WWE shouldn't make a character that their lifelong fans can relate to? Give me a break. Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that Kentonbomb and all his cool Cena-hating pals are not the only ones that matter. There are plenty of other characters for you to relate to. As an 'adult' you should be able to just enjoy WWE instead of whining and crying about John Cena 'no-selling' as you like to call it.
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