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Post by AdamBomb on Apr 13, 2011 11:37:46 GMT -5
Not surprised. Vince wasnt happy with Ultimo Dragon after 1 match. Because Ultimo didn't wrestle similar to Rey Mysterio, at least that is what the old reports said. Vince wanted Dragon to fly around the ring, but Ultimo, while being a good high-flyer, is - and has always been more technical in the ring. Misti...errr, Sin Cara, is VERY comparable to Rey in his prime.
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Post by johnnypoopypants on Apr 13, 2011 11:41:47 GMT -5
I LOL'd when Lawler screwed up covering up the botch. Matthews: What a counter by primo Lawler: That wan't a counter he just ed up sin cara is a terrible wrestler YOU ED UP YOU ED UP i'm paraphrasing
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 13, 2011 11:52:03 GMT -5
Cena has been blowing spots on a weekly basis for 9 years. He's still over. An occasional mistake won't sink a wrestler.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Apr 13, 2011 11:59:18 GMT -5
I thought the match was very entertaining, I don't see what the problem is. That's what I'm saying. And it was Primo that botched the finish, not Sin Cara.
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Post by Chip on Apr 13, 2011 12:25:59 GMT -5
I love how people say "oh well when Vince see merchandise sales, he won't be mad anymore" so basically it's all OK now...
yet you all crucify John Cena for being in the position he is in partly DUE TO MERCHANDISE SALES
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Post by ß®å¢K$ßâ¢k on Apr 13, 2011 12:31:18 GMT -5
Wtf? I thought the match was very good. With the exception of the botched ending, I saw no flaws from a lucha stand point.
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Post by sean™ on Apr 13, 2011 12:34:24 GMT -5
I'm just confused as to why people are placing the blame for the finish on Sin Cara, when you can clearly see Primo's left foot slip, his arms push Sin Cara, and then the fall.
Besides that, like I said, the only issues I saw was Cara's pacing during the match. Right off the bat, with Primo's head/arm lock, Cara's elbows to the head were really quick, to the point where the first one didn't even "register" as a blow before the second one happened.
I didn't personally count him down from that, since lucha wrestling is at a faster pace. Beyond that, I thought it was a good first match.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Apr 13, 2011 12:37:31 GMT -5
I'm just confused as to why people are placing the blame for the finish on Sin Cara, when you can clearly see Primo's left foot slip, his arms push Sin Cara, and then the fall. Besides that, like I said, the only issues I saw was Cara's pacing during the match. Right off the bat, with Primo's head/arm lock, Cara's elbows to the head were really quick, to the point where the first one didn't even "register" as a blow before the second one happened. I didn't personally count him down from that, since lucha wrestling is at a faster pace. Beyond that, I thought it was a good first match. I've been wondering the same thing.
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Post by Infinite on Apr 13, 2011 12:50:33 GMT -5
I'm just confused as to why people are placing the blame for the finish on Sin Cara, when you can clearly see Primo's left foot slip, his arms push Sin Cara, and then the fall. Besides that, like I said, the only issues I saw was Cara's pacing during the match. Right off the bat, with Primo's head/arm lock, Cara's elbows to the head were really quick, to the point where the first one didn't even "register" as a blow before the second one happened. I didn't personally count him down from that, since lucha wrestling is at a faster pace. Beyond that, I thought it was a good first match. He more or less kicked the crap out of Primo right before attempting to perform a high risk, dangerous move that relies hugely on balance.
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Post by sean™ on Apr 13, 2011 12:55:23 GMT -5
If Sin Cara botched the kick, and legit knocked Primo silly then I understand. But both are trained professionals, so it could have easily have just been Primo's fault for not blocking or protecting.
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Post by Nash on Apr 13, 2011 12:58:07 GMT -5
Yeah as others have said, I didnt see anything wrong with the match either (cept the slip up). Its natural for the guy to be nervous, and Vince should be understanding of that. The funny thing is though, as soon as he slipped, I said to myself "Yea Vince wont be happy with that". It looked like it was Primo's fault anyways.
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Post by Infinite on Apr 13, 2011 12:58:07 GMT -5
If Sin Cara botched the kick, and legit knocked Primo silly then I understand. But both are trained professionals, so it could have easily have just been Primo's fault for not blocking or protecting. I'm not sure if it was a botch, I'd say he probably should've taken some of the power off the kick, considering what he was about to do.
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Post by sean™ on Apr 13, 2011 12:59:21 GMT -5
I'll say this in regards to Primo. If he was somewhat loopy from that kick, smashing his own face into the metal part of the opposite turnbuckle moments earlier probably didn't help.
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Post by WCWA Online on Apr 13, 2011 13:12:12 GMT -5
Sin Cara not fully speaking English is just all the more reason to bring back Jericho.
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Post by Matt Culture on Apr 13, 2011 13:16:53 GMT -5
dirt sheet BS
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Apr 13, 2011 13:29:41 GMT -5
Should have him wrestle against Alex Koslov even just with Koslov as a jobber. If you want to see Cara actually work a match to show him off more, it's the best option. Koslov spent 4 years working in Mexico for both CMLL and AAA, would've been the better pick for a job match than Primo in my opinion.
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Post by scoobypat on Apr 13, 2011 13:33:40 GMT -5
I LOL'd when Lawler screwed up covering up the botch. Matthews: What a counter by primo Lawler: That wan't a counter he just ed up sin cara is a terrible wrestler YOU ED UP YOU ED UP i'm paraphrasing I wouldn't be surprised if the commentators have been told to stop covering botches. With HD it just makes everyone involved look like... well TNA when someone botches a move clear as day and you have someone acting like Mike Tenay just going "Oh my god, what a move!!!" Booker T called out Morrison on missing Starship Pain the other day as well. "I don't think he got all of it".
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Post by Infinite on Apr 13, 2011 13:36:38 GMT -5
I LOL'd when Lawler screwed up covering up the botch. Matthews: What a counter by primo Lawler: That wan't a counter he just ed up sin cara is a terrible wrestler YOU ED UP YOU ED UP i'm paraphrasing I wouldn't be surprised if the commentators have been told to stop covering botches. With HD it just makes everyone involved look like... well TNA when someone botches a move clear as day and you have someone acting like Mike Tenay just going "Oh my god, what a move!!!" Booker T called out Morrison on missing Starship Pain the other day as well. "I don't think he got all of it". Yeah, I remember that. Thought it was stupid tbh, made both Morrison and the other guy (cant remember who it was) look bad.
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Post by sean™ on Apr 13, 2011 13:40:45 GMT -5
The only person as of late that's done a decent job of covering up a botch is Josh Matthews. As I said in another thread, it really adds to the match in my opinion, since he will identify the original move being attempting, and explain in a non-throwing someone under the bus-way as to why it didn't work. Or he'll explain how it hurt a different body part instead.
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Post by wabarrett on Apr 13, 2011 14:17:13 GMT -5
The only person as of late that's done a decent job of covering up a botch is Josh Matthews. As I said in another thread, it really adds to the match in my opinion, since he will identify the original move being attempting, and explain in a non-throwing someone under the bus-way as to why it didn't work. Or he'll explain how it hurt a different body part instead. Agreed. 'Botches', as people call them, are bound to happen, especially in such high-risk situations. I actually hate it when people class a slip or nasty fall as a botch. When I think of the word botch, I think of that God-awful mixed tag team match from RAW a few years back. I think of Randy Orton going to RKO Jericho and Jericho literally not moving or responding in anyway. But if commentators plain called out an incident like the one in the Sin Cara/ Primo match and said it was a 'botched spot', that would just make em look like crap. It was a high-risk move, there was always a chance it could have gone wrong (and it did go wrong the first time). If ya follow me.
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