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Post by Deep Figure Value on Apr 13, 2011 6:01:22 GMT -5
So a couple of people on my social news feeds have posted this cartoon in the past couple of days, and after mulling it over, I've decided that it really rubs me the wrong way: Let me preface by saying that I have nothing but the utmost respect for the men and women who make the conscious decision to go and put their life and livelihood on the line for this country. There are days when I'd dreamed of running off and enlisting, just out of admiration for what they do, and those days usually end with curled up in a fetal position our of pure terror. They are a better breed than I. That said, I think at its core, this cartoon undermines their efforts in the way it scolds the subject. To me, the teacher may as well have been saying " Kevin, this soldier put his life on the line so that our freedoms may be protected - therefor, you, in a sweeping show of blind gratitude, should not exercise those freedoms". It may be unpopular, or even disrespectful to not stand for the pledge of allegiance, but to demean someone exercising their right to not do so, especially by throwing the man who lost his ability to stand so that that freedom may still be in tact, to me draws the new question of "If soldiers are fighting/dying for our rights, so that we in turn may not exercise them, then what's the point?" Your thoughts? |
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Post by OverTheEdge on Apr 13, 2011 6:37:12 GMT -5
I wasn't exactly sure where you were going to go with this, but you really do make an excellent point.
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Post by spamdfms101 on Apr 13, 2011 6:42:03 GMT -5
I always stand for the pledge and I always say it loud and proud. But I understand its my right to do that just like its other kids rights to not say it.
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Post by Revvie® on Apr 13, 2011 7:48:01 GMT -5
When I was in highschool I never stood but it was sort of a protest statement due to the fact of bush being in office and just everything that was going on for no real reason. I never once took a stand against the military, only for the man that was pushing the misguidance and the government who backed him. That being said, when I was in school, I got kicked out of my first period class every morning because he told that I was unamerican and he should "whoop my a$%" for all the men and women in the military....I dont know how it is elsewhere though.
Stand if your proud, dont if your not. All this cartoon does is grind in an idea that you must stand just because another was injured doing something that he was told to do for better or worse. I respect the man who takes the command...not always the goverment who is dealing them out.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 13, 2011 8:13:05 GMT -5
I always thought that standing was just out of respect more than anything. I knew a guy who's was married to a Canadian woman. She would stand during the pledge. She never put her hand over her heart or recited the pledge or anything like that. She had no reason to. She was a Canadian, not an American and no one had a problem with that. She still stood though. I take the cartoon as just telling kids to show some respect. You can show respect for the soldiers and still show your disapproval.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2011 8:42:48 GMT -5
When I was in highschool I never stood but it was sort of a protest statement due to the fact of bush being in office and just everything that was going on for no real reason. I never once took a stand against the military, only for the man that was pushing the misguidance and the government who backed him. That being said, when I was in school, I got kicked out of my first period class every morning because he told that I was unamerican and he should "whoop my a$%" for all the men and women in the military....I dont know how it is elsewhere though. Stand if your proud, dont if your not. All this cartoon does is grind in an idea that you must stand just because another was injured doing something that he was told to do for better or worse. I respect the man who takes the command...not always the goverment who is dealing them out. So your whole reason for not standing in the POA was because Bush was in office? You've got your priorities screwed up, dude. I guess you'd stand now that he's not in office? |
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Post by Revvie® on Apr 13, 2011 9:43:59 GMT -5
When I was in highschool I never stood but it was sort of a protest statement due to the fact of bush being in office and just everything that was going on for no real reason. I never once took a stand against the military, only for the man that was pushing the misguidance and the government who backed him. That being said, when I was in school, I got kicked out of my first period class every morning because he told that I was unamerican and he should "whoop my a$%" for all the men and women in the military....I dont know how it is elsewhere though. Stand if your proud, dont if your not. All this cartoon does is grind in an idea that you must stand just because another was injured doing something that he was told to do for better or worse. I respect the man who takes the command...not always the goverment who is dealing them out. So your whole reason for not standing in the POA was because Bush was in office? You've got your priorities screwed up, dude. I guess you'd stand now that he's not in office? I could list my reasons with detail if you wish to pursue the idea that I am ignorant ;D |
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Apr 13, 2011 10:11:28 GMT -5
When I was in highschool I never stood but it was sort of a protest statement due to the fact of bush being in office and just everything that was going on for no real reason. I never once took a stand against the military, only for the man that was pushing the misguidance and the government who backed him. That being said, when I was in school, I got kicked out of my first period class every morning because he told that I was unamerican and he should "whoop my a$%" for all the men and women in the military....I dont know how it is elsewhere though. Stand if your proud, dont if your not. All this cartoon does is grind in an idea that you must stand just because another was injured doing something that he was told to do for better or worse. I respect the man who takes the command...not always the goverment who is dealing them out. I honestly have no problem with you doing so or not doing so depending how you go with it. I honestly don't care weather people stand or not. It brings me back to 9/11 everyone and their mother was so "american" and loved america this and that, wore flags, now 10 years later you don't see anything. So honestly what's the diffrence? |
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Post by slappy on Apr 13, 2011 10:55:49 GMT -5
I rolled my eyes that the cartoon.
If someone wants to sit, so what. Someone wants to stand and say it, so what.
There are people out there who believe the Pledge is a form of indoctrination and reading up on it, they do make an interesting argument.
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Post by Cult Member BriGuy on Apr 13, 2011 11:00:22 GMT -5
guilt trip
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 13, 2011 11:23:28 GMT -5
I rolled my eyes that the cartoon. If someone wants to sit, so what. Someone wants to stand and say it, so what. There are people out there who believe the Pledge is a form of indoctrination and reading up on it, they do make an interesting argument. Just because you have freedom of speech doesn't mean you have freedom to be disrespectful and expect that no one is going to say anything about it. |
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Post by slappy on Apr 13, 2011 11:26:48 GMT -5
I rolled my eyes that the cartoon. If someone wants to sit, so what. Someone wants to stand and say it, so what. There are people out there who believe the Pledge is a form of indoctrination and reading up on it, they do make an interesting argument. Just because you have freedom of speech doesn't mean you have freedom to be disrespectful and expect that no one is going to say anything about it. According to the Supreme Court, we do have the freedom to be disrespectful. They can say what they want but they can't force them to change. They can't force anyone to stand for the pledge and they can't force someone to say it. |
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Apr 13, 2011 11:40:30 GMT -5
I agree, that cartoon is a little ridiculous.
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Post by extreme on Apr 13, 2011 12:14:19 GMT -5
I haven't done the pledge of allegiance since middle school.  |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 13, 2011 13:07:49 GMT -5
Just because you have freedom of speech doesn't mean you have freedom to be disrespectful and expect that no one is going to say anything about it. According to the Supreme Court, we do have the freedom to be disrespectful. They can say what they want but they can't force them to change. They can't force anyone to stand for the pledge and they can't force someone to say it. Not saying they should force them to stand for it or force them to say it. Just saying that pointing out that it's disrespectful is completely called for. |
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Post by Revvie® on Apr 13, 2011 13:35:41 GMT -5
According to the Supreme Court, we do have the freedom to be disrespectful. They can say what they want but they can't force them to change. They can't force anyone to stand for the pledge and they can't force someone to say it. Not saying they should force them to stand for it or force them to say it. Just saying that pointing out that it's disrespectful is completely called for. It annoys me that a country founded on the idea of standing up for what we thought was right against a former government would begin to become as such....more so in the way that you are considered disrespectful if you disagree with something....I guess those who founded this country were guilty of the same disrespect. Really think about what your saying for a minute. |
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 13, 2011 13:38:54 GMT -5
When the  have you heard the Pledge of Allegiance other than in grade-school? |
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Post by CF9™ on Apr 13, 2011 14:38:13 GMT -5
I find it weird that the teacher just happened to have a soldier in a wheel chair in his classroom that morning...
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 13, 2011 15:28:25 GMT -5
Not saying they should force them to stand for it or force them to say it. Just saying that pointing out that it's disrespectful is completely called for. It annoys me that a country founded on the idea of standing up for what we thought was right against a former government would begin to become as such....more so in the way that you are considered disrespectful if you disagree with something....I guess those who founded this country were guilty of the same disrespect. Really think about what your saying for a minute. I hate to break it to you, but the colonists thumbing their nose at King George was also disrespectful. Nothing necessarily wrong with being disrespectful towards a country that you hate. Just don't get pissed off when people point out that you're being disrespectful. You hate the US. You hate the soldiers. You hate the country. Fine. Go move. |
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Post by slappy on Apr 13, 2011 15:30:35 GMT -5
It annoys me that a country founded on the idea of standing up for what we thought was right against a former government would begin to become as such....more so in the way that you are considered disrespectful if you disagree with something....I guess those who founded this country were guilty of the same disrespect. Really think about what your saying for a minute. I hate to break it to you, but the colonists thumbing their nose at King George was also disrespectful. Nothing necessarily wrong with being disrespectful towards a country that you hate. Just don't get pissed off when people point out that you're being disrespectful. You hate the US. You hate the soldiers. You hate the country. Fine. Go move. I hate the "Love it or leave it" mentality. |
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