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Post by gtm on Feb 21, 2008 11:52:02 GMT -5
hi wf just thought id open a discussion about the mass transit incident.i never knew about this till a while ago, my question is whats your opinion on the events? did you think he deserved the beating he got or was new jack just been out of control. for those of you that dont know about it look it up wiki would do. thanks gtm
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Post by slappy on Feb 21, 2008 12:00:46 GMT -5
He deserved it.
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Post by Silent Jay on Feb 21, 2008 12:07:27 GMT -5
I havent talked to Jack about this yet, so I haven't gotten his full side of things other then what he says in shoot videos. IMO the kid deserved, he was playing wrestler and got caught, it could have been worse.
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Post by Juba on Feb 21, 2008 13:36:01 GMT -5
he deserved it for lying...nuff said
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Post by T1 on Feb 21, 2008 15:12:54 GMT -5
The "kid" was an idiot for lying, but New Jack didn't have to take it that far..
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Post by doink317 on Feb 21, 2008 17:18:01 GMT -5
Well, I thought I remember New Jack saying in a Shoot interview that the kid didn't want to blade himself, so ask New Jack to do it for him, and as New Jack was doing it, the kid was moving around, so New Jack by mistake made a larger gash in his forehead. I think the kid deserved what he got. He should had not lied.
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Post by everyonewantshead on Feb 21, 2008 21:48:06 GMT -5
how would a stupid kid get in a ring with a crazy man like new jack? The kid should of thought before lieing about his age and wrestling. the kid deserved for what he did.
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Post by hardyboyzwwe on Feb 21, 2008 21:53:28 GMT -5
can somebody send me the link to something that could explain this. or even the video of it.
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Post by markallenkellner on Feb 21, 2008 22:20:15 GMT -5
If you ever saw the video, you'd see that no one deserves that.
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Post by slammed86 on Feb 21, 2008 22:26:53 GMT -5
Well, I thought I remember New Jack saying in a Shoot interview that the kid didn't want to blade himself, so ask New Jack to do it for him, and as New Jack was doing it, the kid was moving around, so New Jack by mistake made a larger gash in his forehead. I think the kid deserved what he got. He should had not lied. I totally agree with you.
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Post by slammed86 on Feb 21, 2008 22:28:39 GMT -5
can somebody send me the link to something that could explain this. or even the video of it. Here Homie:
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Post by k5 on Feb 21, 2008 22:38:46 GMT -5
it was unneeded, to say the least, and very dangerous for the liability of the then weak promotion of ecw.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Feb 22, 2008 9:06:01 GMT -5
New Jack has done crap like that to actual workers, too. To me, that makes the fact that the kid wasn't a trained wrestler irrelevant. New Jack probably would have done the same thing to Jimmy Snuka or AJ Styles.
His age is also irrelevant -- since nobody knew he was only 17 until during (or after) the match, that lie could not have been the reason New Jack tried to scalp him.
I believe that the kid and his dad were arrogant and dishonest. Which, by most accounts, would make him fit right in with a number of established wrestlers in the locker room (not all, but many). If New Jack scalped every arrogant and demanding wrestler he ever faced, can you imagine the list of victims?
I also agree that Kulas had no right to walk into an ECW show and start throwing lies and demands around. But there has to be a much more tactful way to teach him a lesson. Hell, they could have potatoed him a dozen times and dealt him enough pain to send the kid home crying, but probably not risk his life in this way.
The fact is that historically, when a wrestler decides to act unprofessional and stiff his opponent (think Perry Saturn, Jerry Lawler, Bob Holly,etc.), it's usually by performing a hold for real or not pulling a punch/kick/elbow etc.
When New Jack decides to act unprofessional, it's always when he's holding a blade or boxcutter, or standing on a scaffold with an opponent that trusts him. That is really scary.
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Post by perilloboy123 on Feb 22, 2008 9:14:50 GMT -5
I think that it was stupid on ECW's part for not checking the kid's birth certificate.
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Post by Silent Jay on Feb 22, 2008 10:09:48 GMT -5
Ok, I'm going to break down all the wrong information in this for you paragraph by paragraph.
Jack treats everyone with respect and treats them right in the ring, unless they disrespect him, or try to tell him what they're going to do in the match when they've been in the business for a cup of coffee. You'll probably bring up Gypsy Joe, look at the footage Joe tried to act tough s*** so Jack put him in his place. Joe is a racist that thought he could get over on Jack
. The kid asked Jack to blade him because he didn't know how to. Jack did as asked, but the kid kept moving around during it causing it to go much deeper then planned. If you listen closely you can hear Jack ask him if he is ok.
But he hasn't soooo that just makes everything you said irrelevant
Jack did nothing wrong in the situation, hell he wasn't even trying to teach the kid a lesson, he was blading for the kid, but the dumb ass didn't stay in place.
It's unproffesional to stiff someone? If there new yes, if they have an attitude or keep messing up no.
New Jack is him 24/7 not when he has a weapon. 7 Justifiable homicides, no weapons needed. As he has told me many times he is not a cartoon character, he is not a t-shirt New Jack is Jerome, Jerome is New Jack
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Post by moogie101 on Feb 22, 2008 12:39:09 GMT -5
The kid was a fool for lying & geting oin the ring with a known psycho like New Jack and of course he did ask New Jack for help blading. However New Jack was well out of order, I don't buy this he was moving around crap, new Jack sliced the poor kid open. The one thing a professional wrestler is supposed to do is look after whoever they are in the ring, regardless of whether he's an inexperienced kid who lied about his age or not. Then after slicing him open & seeing how bad it was new jack continued kicking the crap out of him & then even cut a freaking promo proclaiming he doesn't care if the kid dies! New jack is scum quite frankly. In the Forever Hardcore DVD he talks about trying to kill vic when he threw him off the scaffold, yeah Grimes had screwed up earlier on but no excuse.
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Post by Silent Jay on Feb 22, 2008 12:54:45 GMT -5
New Jack> Everyone else Seriously though Jack did what he had to do.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Feb 22, 2008 15:33:26 GMT -5
Jack treats everyone with respect and treats them right in the ring, unless they disrespect him, or try to tell him what they're going to do in the match when they've been in the business for a cup of coffee. Other veterans have been disrespected by their rookie opponents in the past... how come Jack is the only one who ever slices them open or pushes them off a scaffold in retaliation? Is a stiff elbow or punch not good enough? Or how about just telling the dude "Screw you, I'm the veteran, I'm the draw, and we're working the match MY way... and if you don't like it, the promoter will be happy to pull you from the show." THAT is how you demand respect. And if the rookie is dumb enough to get physical about it, fine... then you fight back. If a wrestler physically attacks another wrestler who hasn't attacked him first, he's basically betraying their trust, and attacking someone who isn't expecting it. It's a sucker-punch tactic, simple as that. You'll probably bring up Gypsy Joe, look at the footage Joe tried to act tough s*** so Jack put him in his place. Joe is a racist that thought he could get over on Jack. Actually, I was talking more about this kid New Jack decided to stab 14 times: The Gypsy Joe thing was just a case of an old-timer not selling, and it turned into a real fight... although again, I will point out that instead of fighting the 80-year-old guy with his fists, Jack decided to swing a baseball bat at the dude as hard as he could. There's sticking up for yourself, and then there's assault with a deadly weapon. Two different things entirely. The kid asked Jack to blade him because he didn't know how to. Jack did as asked, but the kid kept moving around during it causing it to go much deeper then planned. If you listen closely you can hear Jack ask him if he is ok. The kid shouldn't have asked someone to blade him, and Jack should have known better than to agree to do it himself. Gee, a kid who has never wrestled before -- let alone get color -- flinched when he felt a blade go into his forehead. Who would have seen that coming? Jack is a big boy. Nobody forced him to blade that kid. Nor is it necessary to use a wide, sweeping arm motion to blade someone like Jack did. A small nick on the forehead does just fine, which is how it's usually done. By the time Kulas "moved," Jack should have already had the blade moving away from his head. Unless the kid moved face-first TOWARD the blade (and who the hell would do that?), his movement wasn't the sole reason he got scalped. Jack did nothing wrong in the situation, hell he wasn't even trying to teach the kid a lesson, he was blading for the kid, but the dumb ass didn't stay in place. See above. And if he wasn't trying to "teach the kid a lesson," how come he made the comment -- in the ring -- that he hoped the kid died? Was it all just part of the show? But I thought he wasn't a gimmick... I thought "New Jack is Jerome, Jerome is New Jack"? It's unproffesional to stiff someone? If there new yes, if they have an attitude or keep messing up no. It is always, always, always unprofessional for a wrestler to stiff a guy who doesn't expect it. It's a coward move and it's a betrayal of the trust wrestlers have that their opponent will protect them. If you want to be a tough guy and stiff someone, tell him before you do it. Then we'll see who's tough, when you hit a guy who is prepared to defend himself. Otherwise, it's no more honorable than walking up to a random guy at a bus stop and punching him in the back of the head. New Jack is him 24/7 not when he has a weapon. 7 Justifiable homicides, no weapons needed. Killing another person, justifiable or not, should never be a point of personal pride. It should be a terrible feeling and something you'd rather not discuss. Not something you keep reminding people of so they'll know you're hardcore.
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Post by Silent Jay on Feb 22, 2008 15:43:40 GMT -5
Everyone has a way of doing things, that's Jacks way. Have you ever been in the ring? Have you put in the time Jack has? Have you put your body on the line like he has? Ok
Did you not see the guy try to legit dunk Jack over the top rope? Apparently not. Dude tried to be tough s*** on Jack, so he got even.
Uhh, a lot of people blade for there opponents. Watch Regal/HHH first blood.
People say things in the heat of the moment.
Damn i don't think theres a proffesional out there.
Yeah it's much better to be ashamed of what you've done right? Especially if that was your job.
And for the comment of throwing someone off the balcony like you said, incase you didn't catch it, that was the point of the match.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Feb 22, 2008 16:16:15 GMT -5
And for the comment of throwing someone off the balcony like you said, incase you didn't catch it, that was the point of the match. And New Jack said himself that he intentionally tried to throw him off awkwardly so he'd miss the tables and injure himself. Was THAT the point of the match? Everyone has a way of doing things, that's Jacks way. Have you ever been in the ring? Have you put in the time Jack has? Have you put your body on the line like he has? Ok Jack's way sucks and is unprofessional. And I don't have to take a back bump or run the ropes myself to know that slicing a dude's head like that is not necessary to get color. All I need to do is watch more professional guys do it with a small nick to know it's possible. Did you not see the guy try to legit dunk Jack over the top rope? Apparently not. Dude tried to be tough s*** on Jack, so he got even. Oh my god... he tried to dump Jack over the top rope? You're right, I'm sorry... stab him 14 times. It's the only way he'll ever learn. Uhh, a lot of people blade for there opponents. Watch Regal/HHH first blood. Guys blade their opponents all the time, without causing the damage Jack did. The guys who allow their opponents to blade them usually do that because they trust them to do it responsibly. Too bad Kulas trusted Jack the same way.
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